Turn of Camn ~FIN~

[DrippingGoofball]

Firebringer is town.

[Centipede Syndrome]

the tell machine is all powerful. all glory to the tell machine.
just nobody do something dumb like lynch immediately before it can work its magic, and i'll be happy.
~Chara

[northsidegal]

I'm a miller btw if anyone missed that

Didn’t miss out, just don’t care

??????

[MariaR]

Hey everyone! Hey hey!
I think LLD would flip scum for sure! She's a decent scum player and Pine would prob pick her and Ali wouldn't pick a town LLD because we'd prob want to lynch her if anything she'd prob be one of the last picks and I could see Pine picking LLD trusting her scum skills!
This is gotta be scum ahahaha~

[Firebringer]

Chara I want to pocket u and get Elli to scumread.
How do I do that?

It is my second goal for this game besides getting mastina dead

[Firebringer]

Hey everyone! Hey hey!
I think LLD would flip scum for sure! She's a decent scum player and Pine would prob pick her and Ali wouldn't pick a town LLD because we'd prob want to lynch her if anything she'd prob be one of the last picks and I could see Pine picking LLD trusting her scum skills!
This is gotta be scum ahahaha~

This logic can be applied to u, dummy

[Centipede Syndrome]

Chara I want to pocket u and get Elli to scumread.
How do I do that?

It is my second goal for this game besides getting mastina dead

i don't know how to make Elli scumread you!
but i'm easy to pocket. <3

[MariaR]

Hey everyone! Hey hey!
I think LLD would flip scum for sure! She's a decent scum player and Pine would prob pick her and Ali wouldn't pick a town LLD because we'd prob want to lynch her if anything she'd prob be one of the last picks and I could see Pine picking LLD trusting her scum skills!
This is gotta be scum ahahaha~

This logic can be applied to u, dummy

Huhhhh? Me? No no! Pine doesn't know I'm a good scum player and prob would pick in the people he invited not someone bad like me! No one would pick me as scum cause I get policy lynched whenever this type of stuff happens you little silly puppy
Pedit: True get in my pocket Chara it's nice!

[Firebringer]

Chara I want to pocket u and get Elli to scumread.
How do I do that?

It is my second goal for this game besides getting mastina dead

i don't know how to make Elli scumread you!
but i'm easy to pocket. <3

Ehhhh now I think ur scum with this response
Chara!!!!!

How did u get recruited?

[mastina]

Hey. VOTE: mastina. Dead serious here. I'm entering in a 1v1 with mastina. Like. If she flips town POWER lynch me here. I was informed that role assignment wasn't random this game. Pine knows me to be a stellar scum player and not quite as strong a town player, yet I wasn't one of his picks for the scumteam. But unless I massively misunderstood the game's nature: Pine did in fact get a choice in at least ONE scumbuddy, if not all three. (Something about a draft order.) He didn't select me. I refuse to believe he allowed both me and mastina to be town. So lynch me, lynch mastina, doesn't matter who you lynch first but mastina is scum. Guaranteed.

Also, let me put it to you another way. Normally I am adamantly against policy lynches, but in this game, I actually genuinely think it's the best play. Pine would, disproportionately, be likely to pick mastina. She can't be allowed to live until endgame. She is a player who is disproportionately likely to be scum,

and even if not

, she is someone who is terrible enough at town that we don't want her costing us lylo anyway.

FURTHERMORE. Lynching mastina will let the town have a better insight into who Pine did, and didn't pick. Plus, in theory, we'd be able to use mastina's reads and insight into Pine's psyche once she died to help better the gamestate, though personally, honestly, I'd probably be more inclined to just write her off as bad town who arrogantly believes she knows everything.

STILL. This makes her, hands-down, the best lynch today, on policy alone. That she is likely scum is all the better.

Like.
I realize this playerlist is made up of mostly older players.

People with joindates, what, pre-2015? Something like that.

So I understand you have the history of mastina always being wrong about Pine stuck in your head, that you think that Pine can fool her every time, but you don't have access to the newer games we've played together. While you were retired, I was still serving in mafiascum, and did battle with Pine on numerous occasions, this game's predecessor among them.

Fuck, even if you've played under an alt since then, you're probably still too old to have seen me interact with Pine nowadays.

Pine was my original rival in games, presumably the reason why I didn't actually draw scum. (Which I'm taking as a huge fucking slight against me because he knows how much I would have wanted to be his scumbuddy here. AGAIN.) We fought endless times in games. Yes, he consistently creamed me back during the days where he was in his prime, but whereas he remained basically the same player, I did not.

Now granted! Pine and I haven't played together since he left the site last year. Although we have been in contact since his return. But the point still remains true all the same: if anyone knows who Pine would pick this game, it's me. And I am telling you, 100%. Pine would NEVER let mastina be town this game. Because while Pine as scum might be able to beat me, beating scumastina? Much harder to do.

[Alisae]

VOTE COUNT 1 . 2

• mastina
  ------------ 4 ( mastina(5), BBmolla(4), Mathdino(4), Firebringer(8) )
  L- 5
  
  
  Mathdino
  ----------- 1 ( Mulch(4) )
  L- 8
  
  
  Lady Lamdadelta
  ---- 1 ( MariaR(3) )
  L- 8
  
  
  BBmolla
  ------------ 1 ( DrippingGoofball(2) )
  L- 8
  
  
  Ginngie
  ------------ 0 ( No One )
  L- 9
  
  
  shos
  --------------- 0 ( No One )
  L- 9
  
  
  DrippingGoofball
  --- 0 ( No One )
  L- 9
  
  
  xRECKONERx
  --------- 0 ( No One )
  L- 9
  
  
  Aristophanes
  ------- 0 ( No One )
  L- 9
  
  
  Firebringer
  -------- 0 ( No One )
  L- 9
  
  
  Parama
  ------------- 0 ( No One )
  L- 9
  
  
  MariaR
  ------------- 0 ( No One )
  L- 9
  
  
  Kuuhaku
  ------------ 0 ( No One )
  L- 9
  
  
  Mulch
  -------------- 0 ( No One )
  L- 9
  
  
  Centipede Syndrome
  - 0 ( No One )
  L- 9
  
  
  Implosion
  ---------- 0 ( No One )
  L- 9
  
  
  northsidegal
  ------- 0 ( No One )
  L- 9
  
  
  
  
  Not Voting
  --------- 12 ( camn(0) , Ginngie(0), shos(0), xRECKONERx(0), Aristophanes(0), Lady Lambdadelta(0), Parama(0), kuuhaku(0), Centipede Syndrome(3), Implosion(0), Northsidegal(4), Pine(0) )

With 17 alive, it takes 9 to Lynch
Deadline is in (expired on 2018-04-21 19:20:58)

[Centipede Syndrome]

Ehhhh now I think ur scum with this response
Chara!!!!!

How did u get recruited?

we were recruited so Pine wouldn't have to worry about Elli solving the game too fast and ruining it!
i'm supposed to cover for Elli by posting as him and coasting on the idea that the both of us combined are such shitty scum players, there would be absolutely no way we'd ever be recruited!

of course, Alisae would no doubt make it eir priority to pick us first, so Pine must have grabbed us first thing based on that gambit!
~Chara

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Vote: Kiara

100000000% scum.

[Mathdino]

i'm literally eating dinner fuck off

You had 24 hours to plan a strategy post when this game is FULL of pre game shit you can do
You are one of the most mechanics driven players I’ve seen across all 3 sites
I find it hard to believe you twiddled your thumbs

I’m not going to tunnel you on #pregamereads, though

yo i appreciate it
i basically never plan strategy posts though until the game actually starts
see polygamist where i accidentally proposed a bad strategy before breaking on page 2

my main concerns are
1. Ellibereth is a pretty obvious Pine pick. Thinking objectively optimal strategy is policy lynch Ellibereth D1 and sheep all his reads afterward.

2. but also fuck mastina for self-voting, i'm not reading those walls
not to mention mastina school of scumplay = pine school of scumplay

3. VTs should act like they're masons and masons should act like they're VTs. I feel like you guys know this by now.

4. NSG is probably 99% innocent child based on that claim alone.

so
mastina --> Ellibereth -- > whoever townElli tells us to lynch
probably takes out 2 scum
or 1 scum and sets the game on lock

Edit:

does anyone have 100% record of reading chara
because that would actually remove the need to lynch elli if they're town

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Also, how many of these fucking "pick a player to be X alignment" games do I need to play and then FLIP TOWN IN before people realize that no one is ever going to pick me to be scum in these games. Humans are naturally risk averse.

Additionally, I think Alisae is the kind of person who would draft me to keep me from being drafted as scum.

[Mathdino]

objectively optimal strategy

this means independently of anything that's actually happened so far btw

mulch is probably town so far just for application of mathdino meta knowledge

not familiar with the meta on like anyone else

[Mathdino]

Also, how many of these fucking "pick a player to be X alignment" games do I need to play and then FLIP TOWN IN before people realize that no one is ever going to pick me to be scum in these games. Humans are naturally risk averse.

Additionally, I think Alisae is the kind of person who would draft me to keep me from being drafted as scum.

...
can we talk about this in about a week

[MariaR]

does anyone have 100% record of reading chara
because that would actually remove the need to lynch elli if they're town

ooo ooo I do!

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Pine, you're going to so regret not recruiting me for your scumteam... That was a critical mistake that guarantees that you and the scum will lose this game. I'll make sure to demolish your piss-sorry excuse for a draft-picked loser team; this will be your undoing.

I don't know who Camn is, but, let's save the princess

Lady Lambdadelta, we meet again. Are you ready to catch the scums with me, this time?

Saving this for when the game starts.

There is no way this isn't scum given my interactions with this player in VN UPick mafia.

Like, just no way.

[Mathdino]

does anyone have 100% record of reading chara
because that would actually remove the need to lynch elli if they're town

ooo ooo I do!

how many games with each alignment

[mastina]

Chara!!!!! How did u get recruited?

They weren't.
Though drafting Elli to deny the town lolbroken scumhunting is a viable strategy, Ellibereth's scumgame is only so-so. It's fairly respectable, but nothing stellar.

However, the hydra's not just Ellibereth.

It includes Chara.

And Chara is the absolute worst player to have as scum. Drafting Chara to deny the town Chara's obvtownness doesn't make up for the fact that no amount of them being a hydra can hide when Chara is a scumfuck, so.

Pine didn't draft them.

If you need further proof, see also: mastina is hard-buddying the slot. And while she does do that for scumbuddies, this isn't the way she hard-buddies scumbuddies; this is the way she hard-buddies town players she wants to buddy.

[Firebringer]

Also, how many of these fucking "pick a player to be X alignment" games do I need to play and then FLIP TOWN IN before people realize that no one is ever going to pick me to be scum in these games. Humans are naturally risk averse.

Additionally, I think Alisae is the kind of person who would draft me to keep me from being drafted as scum.

...
can we talk about this in about a week

[Ginngie]

VOTE: mastina

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Chara!!!!! How did u get recruited?

They weren't.
Though drafting Elli to deny the town lolbroken scumhunting is a viable strategy, Ellibereth's scumgame is only so-so. It's fairly respectable, but nothing stellar.

However, the hydra's not just Ellibereth.

It includes Chara.

And Chara is the absolute worst player to have as scum. Drafting Chara to deny the town Chara's obvtownness doesn't make up for the fact that no amount of them being a hydra can hide when Chara is a scumfuck, so.

Pine didn't draft them.

If you need further proof, see also: mastina is hard-buddying the slot. And while she does do that for scumbuddies, this isn't the way she hard-buddies scumbuddies; this is the way she hard-buddies town players she wants to buddy.

I already hate this.

Why the fuck did I agree to be in this game, I should have checked the playerlist first. FeelsBadMan

[Centipede Syndrome]

Edit: does anyone have 100% record of reading chara
because that would actually remove the need to lynch elli if they're town

or you could wait for us to be nightkilled instead of wasting our day one lynch on policy and then sheeping reads we's only have a day to make.

i mean. this is an objectively terrible plan and i'm surprised at you. if we're town (we are, obviously) Elli is tearing this game wide open and scum are going to kill us at their first opporunity.
~Chara