Open 719: Stack The Deck! (D4)

[Thor665]

@Wisdom - why do you find me scummy?

[Mathdino]

My role PM.
You're arguing it as a scum team - why?
This is a childish word game dodge. Not impressed.

i was assuming you were implying it doesnt make sense for some reason
otherwise, i find you scummy, i find ugly scummy, so it makes sense

So your scum team is, in fact, a top scum reads list?

is this supposed to be a deep question

most people try to see if their top scumreads are consistent as scum together

[Thor665]

I thought your read on me was in connection with a team wherein I was scummy for chainsawing Brass.
But if it's just a reads list - what the hell, justify scumThor?

[Thor665]

most people try to see if their top scumreads are consistent as scum together

That might be true.
I, personally, literally never do it on Day 1, and often find people attacking each other to both be scummy with a clear thought in my head that they aren't both likely to be scum.
But that's playstyle nattery.

There is a clear difference in advancing a scum team vs. advancing your top scum reads.
It changes what I thought Wisdom was driving at, and thus was a valid question to ask.

Why, how do you find the question not worth asking?

[Judge Joseph Dredd]

@Dino:

I'm not tunneling. I legit SR UD the most now. His flip could mean Maria is scum and Thor is town, and then I'd have to reread that read list of his to try and deduce the third. So, why don't you just help me build a wagon there anyway and see what info it gives us?

P.S. I TR yo. hat said, I don't think you can deny there's also that dim farfetched possibility UD is actually scum with you and is trying to tie Town!Maria to you. I don't think it's the case and I'd be the first to admit it's highly unlikely (since it's much easier to lynch Maria than you anyway), but a possibility it is.

[Mathdino]

I never said her scumrange precludes buddying. I said
- I think she has in general gone out of her scumrange
- Buddying can come from town, and I often do get buddied by town

2 separate points.

Okay.

1. What is her scumrange in your opinion and how is she out of it here?
2. Why did you find her buddying here so clearly town as to not deserve questioning when it was not just buddying, but a blatant attack on someone for doing what you were also doing, while ignoring that you did the same?

1. I'm not going to out my entire profile on Nauci just to prove to you that my read is genuine. If she's scum, creating a massive list of things that scum-Nauci wouldn't do would literally allow Nauci to get townread and beat me.
Like dude there's a limit to how much I'm willing to get into the nitty gritty.

2. Because I came off as more charismatic than Maria and socially "won" the argument, and I knew that when I got into the argument that I was going to "win" it?
Like I'm not going to give someone shit for reacting exactly as I expected people to react to that. *I* would've reacted like that.
And the fuck are you asking me to do to question it? It's literally Nauci being like "Wow Maria's kind of a dick here" mixed in with other game relevant content. I have no reason to have any issue with that. Townies have taken my sides in arguments before when I paint other players in bad lights.

@Math - also, the fact that you're even momentarily entertaining the absolute garbage play that my scum game would differ from my town game is either offensive to me, or I have *grossly* misrated the level of your play quality.

Since I've seen you as town, i don't think it's the latter.
So what is this waste of air exactly?

You're just... not asking good questions dude. And I'm gonna be honest, I know it's a huge meme that meta is trash, but people who literally don't believe in meta are lying to themselves. Some people are harder to meta (a lot of players are outside my ability to meta), but it's almost always still doable.

Your reads are off, you're not making the pushes that I would expect you to, you're currently wasting your vote on someone V/LA, you're asking a bunch of questions with mostly NAI answers, and then questioning OTHER people for not asking the same questions you are...

I expect you to be more pro-town I guess. If I can't toneread/metaread you I'll motivation read you. You haven't seemed to have been doing much for town wincon.

[Beefster]

Mathdino's posts strike me as IIOA mixed with lurkscum opportunism

VOTE: Mathdino

[Mathdino]

Why, how do you find the question not worth asking?

Because that question, along with the majority of the questions you've asked, are playstyle-indicative and skill-indicative rather than alignment-indicative.

It's not a sorting question. This is a thing Wisdom does. You know that. This is a thing people do in general. You know that too. You're not an idiot.

[Mathdino]

Mathdino's posts strike me as IIOA mixed with lurkscum opportunism

VOTE: Mathdino

hoooooly scumclaim batman i did not see this one coming

[Thor665]

@Math - your concept of my meta is comical for even starting to argue with me that I don't think meta is good.
That said - why would I have a drastically different scum play? That would require inherently bad play on my part as either town or scum.
You think I'm bad at the game?
Because otherwise I don't see how you get to the point of debating this.

I also fail to see why asking playstyle based questions in a game where you need to assess how people would play is an issue.

Why aren't you advocating that any bodyguard claim at this stage of the game after admitting their only goal with an IC in play is to die for the IC?

[the worst]

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1. no you didn't and I never implied my current discomfort with brass was more than bad vibes. I'm not one to leap into pedantry a couple of pages are. If you are then I'm very proud of you! I hope it works for you!

2. Why is Nauci more likely to be scum than brass?


Dude don't act all confrontational and cool if you can't even be Smurfed asking the questions you're trying to shade.

1. You claimed brass did something that you can't provide an example of. That concerns me.

2. For the case I presented on her, which you are well aware I made.
Why did you ask me for it when you already knew what it was?
And why is this question so hard to answer?

I'm sorry for turning this around but how exactly are you reading brass? I flatly refuse to case someone 9 pages into the game when by my own admission the case is not strong. Go read his ISO and let me know what you think. A conversation will be infinitely more valuable than me casing a gutread as a player who dislikes pedantry.

Fmpov he has provided nothing for us to work with which feels evasive which makes me want to vote him. I don't understand how you don't understand this.

[Thor665]

@Math - also, where do you come out with 'Thor isn't asking the questions I'd expect' while also saying stuff like 'I have no idea how Thor plays as town'.

[Mathdino]

@Thor:
- I don't think I should've caught you last newbie game, and I think that the fact that your pushes were obviously shitty means it's possible your scumplay has regressed a bit. I obviously don't know about your townplay because I haven't gone through the motions there yet.

- Show us results then.

- what the fuck?
wait what?
seriously WHAT?
literally the last time stack the deck was run (something i ran) the D1 bodyguard claim was just an awful idea
if you want to make that proposal, then go right the fuck ahead dude
but you're literally trying to interrogate me for not having come up with that idea?
are you kidding me?

[Mathdino]

@Math - also, where do you come out with 'Thor isn't asking the questions I'd expect' while also saying stuff like 'I have no idea how Thor plays as town'.

I expect you to play well as town. I caught you for not playing well (in my eyes). That's basically my baseline.

[Thor665]

[quote="In

1. no you didn't and I never implied my current discomfort with brass was more than bad vibes. I'm not one to leap into pedantry a couple of pages are. If you are then I'm very proud of you! I hope it works for you!

2. Why is Nauci more likely to be scum than brass?


Dude don't act all confrontational and cool if you can't even be Smurfed asking the questions you're trying to shade.

1. You claimed brass did something that you can't provide an example of. That concerns me.

2. For the case I presented on her, which you are well aware I made.
Why did you ask me for it when you already knew what it was?
And why is this question so hard to answer?

I'm sorry for turning this around but how exactly are you reading brass? I flatly refuse to case someone 9 pages into the game when by my own admission the case is not strong. Go read his ISO and let me know what you think. A conversation will be infinitely more valuable than me casing a gutread as a player who dislikes pedantry.

Fmpov he has provided nothing for us to work with which feels evasive which makes me want to vote him. I don't understand how you don't understand this.

Sure, you have to turn this around because you're desperate not to answer fairly simple questions

I'm currently null reading Brass.
I'm also not asking for a case - I'm asking for an example of what you described as your read on him.
Why do you find him more evasive than, let's say, Wisdom?

You also ignored question #2 (again)

[Thor665]

@Thor:
- I don't think I should've caught you last newbie game, and I think that the fact that your pushes were obviously shitty means it's possible your scumplay has regressed a bit. I obviously don't know about your townplay because I haven't gone through the motions there yet.

- Show us results then.

- what the fuck?
wait what?
seriously WHAT?
literally the last time stack the deck was run (something i ran) the D1 bodyguard claim was just an awful idea
if you want to make that proposal, then go right the fuck ahead dude
but you're literally trying to interrogate me for not having come up with that idea?
are you kidding me?

With an IC in play why would a Bodyguard claim be bad?

[Mathdino]

thor i'm gonna be honest this is kinda muddying the game

i don't consider the answers produced by your questions to be especially alignment indicative

like the best i can say is that you seem to be intent on pressuring people to put them on edge or something

but even that doesn't seem to be working

Edit: are you seriously arguing this thor
like do you actually believe the bodyguard should claim

[the worst]

I get it a bit. Chilling out for a sec. We have been exchanging comments without saying anything.

1. I get the feeling you agree with my assertion regarding brass. It's mostly gut currently but IMO a decent place to start. You're nullreading him which to me seems like you don't disagree that he's not particularly readable at the moment. Do you have issues with my read or do you just want me to talk you through my thought process?

2. I do find him more evasive than Wisdom. Wisdom has presented reads and engaged with the game, as previously stated I'm leaning town on him rn. How are you reading Wisdom here?

3. (addressing #2) I think what's fucking with me here is I just don't agree with your read, allowing that it's not impossible we've reached different conclusions naturally. Nauci's entrance was lacking and awkward but I do not find it scummy. Her posting since has been pretty towny imo. I understand what you've said about her but given I just flatly can't organically reach the same conclusions. On the flipside, you seem really confident with it and I am struggling to sort whether this case has been formed organically or fabricated.

[Judge Joseph Dredd]

VOTE: Thor

A player of your caliber should know this:

If Scum didn't pick any additional abilities, the BG outing gives them free pass to fake claim Goon Cop/Rolelocker with no consequences at all. I consider this a scum slip from you since I know you're not that bad based on my personal experience with you.

[UglyDuck]

could've been wrong about uglyduck

i don't think the "mathdino/maria scumteam" thing comes from scum, that was interesting

Yeah? What if he's just waiting for you to flip town to call his scum buddy town??

And what's with the soul/gut read on the IC?

VOTE: UglyDuck

Jesus man... it was a joke. Like “haha” kind of shit?

[the worst]

Quack quack

[Wisdom]

Mathdino's posts strike me as IIOA mixed with lurkscum opportunism

VOTE: Mathdino

ew

[the worst]

Jesus I missed 206 VOTE: Beefster

[the worst]

Wisdom are you there atm?

[Wisdom]

sure