Open 719: Stack The Deck! (D4)

[Thor665]

@Math rage post - Yeah, except you don't find the idea stupid, you apparently find it "meh".

I also asked you to assess my wagon, why not try that instead of going back to the conversation you're claiming to try to escape?

[Mathdino]

Thor665 (4) (L-3): Espeonage, Wisdom, Mathdino, Judge Joseph Dredd

this is a wagon of my 2 top townreads plus wisdom who is generally D1 unreadable to me

although i would call wisdom town on gut

[Wisdom]

I'm also just assuming that Wisdom has random guesses because he refuses to share his analysis with anyone in every game.

lmao

[Mathdino]

Beefster (3) (L-4): the worst, brassherald, MariaR

ehhhhhh

this is a wagon of a nulltownread at best (sorry duckling you beat me as scum so), a light scumread, and someone i don't know how to read whose reads i do not trust

so with that in mind i definitely prefer thor

[Wisdom]

heres some analysis for you, brass

your catchup is full of popular opinions and most of your explanations for your reads have already been made by someone else

aka, either youre scum or terribad town who isnt really playing but just sheeping
occam's razor says its the former

[Wisdom]

I don't understand Thor scum in fact Thor feels like town. The stance he has taken is one that is one against most of the town and it's just digger him further into the ground and he's not trying to backtrack out of it either he still seems to believe it and has got into arguments over it hell it's getting him lynched all because of 1 thing.

have you played with scum thor before
It doesnt seem like you have

[Wisdom]

no i'm not doing this thor i'm sorry

you're asking me questions specifically to get me talking and talking nonstop about something that's just not useful

the opportunity cost of talking about this as opposed to actual fucking reads on people is massive

Meanwhile you're talking and talking about it WHILE REFUSING TO JUST ANSWER THE QUESTION.
Either you're trying to bait me, are a silly fool, or are scum.
Which is it?
I'll accept a 4th option if you have one.

lol
i told you guys. You have to ignore scum like thor.

[brassherald]

Why do you prefer beef over your other scum reads?

I can at least see some sort of effort from the other slots. Beef is not effort posting at all.

[brassherald]

heres some analysis for you, brass

your catchup is full of popular opinions and most of your explanations for your reads have already been made by someone else

aka, either youre scum or terribad town who isnt really playing but just sheeping
occam's razor says its the former

I have had this conversation with others before but what the hell do you want me to do? Show up, read the same things as everyone else and somehow reinvent the goddamn wheel?

This is the dumbest shit anyone can post. "Your reads aren't original enough, so you must be scum" is just about the stupidest argument I can think of. I made my analysis of people, if you don't like it, try to push me. Otherwise, just keep barking little doggy.

[Wisdom]

what in his ISO is town-indicative to you?

nothing, and youre probably right, but idk anything about beefster and would be much happier getting rid of thor

[Wisdom]

thor/brass/beef

maria is a contender too

everyone else good enough for now

[brassherald]

thor/brass/beef

maria is a contender too

everyone else good enough for now

Good thing you have completely original reads.

How is three of the most popular scum reads not just sheeping people who have actually posted reasoning?

[the worst]

brass your catchup post was......underwhelming

If you had to -- gun to head -- force a townblock of 4-5 players RIGHT NOW who would they be?

Not gonna drag this thru the mud for 100 years, just short term very interested in your answer

[Wisdom]

you can see why im scumreading each of those in my iso, im not pretending im providing an original readlist like you did

basically, the difference is you want to look town while i dont

@brass

[Judge Joseph Dredd]

JJD everyone other than the IC and my wagon is voting someone i'm scumreading
i have little motivation to end the day on thor right now, i wanna see this dueling wagon thing pan out

I didn't say to end the day. I just want thor to be put @L-1 and forced to claim today.

OK, let me explain more (WARNING! This is me virtually putting both my feet simultaneously in my mouth.):

It is obvious to me that Thor and Beef are

main scum

together. It still could be that one of them is the traitor, but they're not the original 2 goons. This is lightly supported by the fact they'e both voting you and when no one else is, but is also more supported by the fact Beef is being pushed as the counterwagon to Thors.

Of the two I would lynch Thor today 9 times out of 10, and for me to let him go I want him to be cornered already -if he is scum- so I'm forcing a claim out of him, which would corner scum!him anyway.

"But what if he is a TPR?" someone may ask.

1- He's no BG or he would have claimed that already without giving us all the headache.
2- He's not a GC as the claim doesn't help him in any way, shape or form.
3- He's not a Tracker, since even if he targeted the BG at night he'd see that the IC didn't die (we're assuming the BG will have to be on the IC for as long as the IV is alive).
4- He could be a Vig and that could be a negative utility if his reads aren't perfect, so scum taking care of him is good enough.
5- He could be a RB and well, I dunno how to deal with that one, so if he is I want it out and clear while you (Mathdino) are still alive.

[the worst]

Thor665 (4) (L-3): Espeonage, Wisdom, Mathdino, Judge Joseph Dredd

this is a wagon of my 2 top townreads plus wisdom who is generally D1 unreadable to me

although i would call wisdom town on gut

Beefster (3) (L-4): the worst, brassherald, MariaR

ehhhhhh

this is a wagon of a nulltownread at best (sorry duckling you beat me as scum so), a light scumread, and someone i don't know how to read whose reads i do not trust

so with that in mind i definitely prefer thor

This is townmathposting af and no offense taken, that is a compliment

[brassherald]

brass your catchup post was......underwhelming

If you had to -- gun to head -- force a townblock of 4-5 players RIGHT NOW who would they be?

Not gonna drag this thru the mud for 100 years, just short term very interested in your answer

No. I'm not going to do that.

you can see why im scumreading each of those in my iso, im not pretending im providing an original readlist like you did

basically, the difference is you want to look town while i dont

@brass

I'm not trying to look town, I'm trying to share my thoughts. And I'm not pretending it's an original fucking read list, it's my thoughts. If other people also reached those thoughts, so the fuck what? I'm not trying to just conform to other people's reads. Hell, if I wanted to look town, I'd do a lame ass read list like two people have now asked me to do.

[the worst]

I liked your posting more than shitty catchup reads list (I did one when I replaced into my first scumgame here and read it later and like........cringe)

Seriously concerned about your ability to form townreads here dude

[Wisdom]

It is obvious to me that Thor and Beef are main scum together.

did you mean to say "not scum together" here?

[the worst]

Can you at least entertain my activity? I won't pick it to pieces, it's more of an holistic opinion thing.

I'll gladly go first if you'd like.

[brassherald]

I liked your posting more than shitty catchup reads list (I did one when I replaced into my first scumgame here and read it later and like........cringe)

Seriously concerned about your ability to form townreads here dude

Fine, I hate this and hate myself for giving in on this because I hate doing read lists or anything similar.

Townblock, not including JMO since that is cheating:
Espeonage, UglyDuck, Nauci, JJD and MariaR

[Wisdom]

you have ugly and maria in a townblock based on a single post
right

[the worst]

Thank you. Forced read lists are gross but lynchpools/wontlynchpools (terminology??) are great.

We cross over on a few names there, I'd probably sub Duck and Maria for Wisdom and Math at this point

[Judge Joseph Dredd]

OK, I think I want to eat the NK tonight, so here's my scum team:
Thor + Maria + Espeonage

Beef + Thor doesn't make sense to me at all. However, Espeonage voting Thor does. Why? because I love to do those meta dives (much like Mathdino does) when I have he time, and in this game Espeonage tunneled his teammate relentlessly until he got him lynched. (Thor was on the other scum team, btw). Mafia won because of that particular gambit.

[Wisdom]

Ill bite

Wow, MariaR literally right after my catch up does something I wasn't expecting and posted a full argument. Definitely not lynching here today, now

Please expand on this and why it makes maria town