Turn of Camn ~FIN~

[BBmolla]

Mastina is either scum that is being HARD, hard bussed, an endgame setup bus, or they’re town

What are you talking about, there is an insane amount of resistance to her lynch

[Mulch]

Mastina is either scum that is being HARD, hard bussed, an endgame setup bus, or they’re town

What are you talking about, there is an insane amount of resistance to her lynch

Yes

Either town/scum are resisting alike while scum bus her, or she’s town

[Mathdino]

her reads are bad, she's more EV for scum than town

that's not a reason why she's scum, i'm pretty sure it's also not something that i should be going off of given that we don't have any flips yet

what reads does she have specifically that you think are bad?

BoP is entirely valid for players who throw their weight around this much.

She's scumreading me off of shit reasons (It doesn't even look like she believes this push, reminds me of her pushes in Inventions more than derptunnel Earthbound town mastina), and has Parama as a scumlean. The rest of her reads are more or less universal.

literally read her first 5 posts in this thread for an actually solid argument for why lynching mastina is the right call

summarize it for me, pelase

Are you actually looking to be convinced here?
- Alignment choice
- Long history with Pine, their schools of scumplay are near identical (Pine and I literally discussed this the day he came back from hiatus)
- Not as strong town. Alisae would only really draft her for her ability to read specific players or to rob her from Pine. But Pine got first pick.
- All these combined with mastina's tendency to utterly blow up the day and make everything about her as either alignment means letting her live to LyLo is a horrible idea, and she's by her own admission probably not getting NK'd.
- mastina scum probably hardclears Chara. mastina town means we can sheep the strong townreads on players she can read 100%.

i literally stole most of these arguments from mastina, you can read, NSG

also i don't think self-voting gambit ONLY comes from scum, not by any means. but in a bayesian sense i think it's MORE LIKELY to come from her scum-mind than her town-mind

okay, why?

like, it really seems like people just

want

to lynch mastina moreso than they actually have reasons that she's scum.

When a player does wacky shit as both alignments to hide behind their town meta as scum, I actually think that wacky shit shifts things slightly in scum indicativeness.

As town, they do it to keep up this image of themselves. Or they just do it because they're idiotic, and lynching those is fine too.

As scum, they do it because it's pro-scum and they can get away with it by saying "I would totally do this as town".

But they don't ALWAYS do it as town, because they're not actually incentivised to by their wincon. They do it enough as town to keep up that meta, and then deploy that shit as scum. There's a particular "I like scum more than I like town" player that I have in mind regarding that.

Point is, my profile on mastina is that she would do it as town I guess for the memery, but not always, and not even necessarily the majority of times. I think that's a tactic she saves for a perceived important scumgame.

[xRECKONERx]

Mastina is either scum that is being HARD, hard bussed, an endgame setup bus, or they’re town

So many people vote parking them confirms this

So it’s like 3 people bussing them, or they’re town

allow me to deflate your entire argument: https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=127&t=74689

[Centipede Syndrome]

hi! forgive my momentary hatred of mafia. i'm here.

i think mastina should be the lynch today. Elli and i are going to talk about the game this afternoon and i'll defer to him, but for the most part i'm supposed to be doing this myself.

so in the meantime, let's hunt mastina's buddies.
~Chara

[Pine]

[MariaR]

You guys will have to lynch mastina without me sorryyyy
All I get is a bunch of noise from her posts I feel nothing at all when I read them not the desire to kill or the desire to like them just a dull emptiness

[Ginngie]

VOTE: MathDino

start forming scumreads

your strategy is literally "who town who left" gimme a break ginngie

also in case it wasn't hilariously obvious,

Also, how many of these fucking "pick a player to be X alignment" games do I need to play and then FLIP TOWN IN before people realize that no one is ever going to pick me to be scum in these games. Humans are naturally risk averse.

Additionally, I think Alisae is the kind of person who would draft me to keep me from being drafted as scum.

this post is the exact kind of argument from team mafia, and is what i've been scumreading all game

That’s cute for you to criticize given the only game we’ve played together I completely rekt the scum team but okay

[Mulch]

VOTE: gin

[Ginngie]

Mulch, do you think it’s fair for Mathdino to downplay my play when he’s seen me get scum really effectively?

[Pine]

VOTE: gin

Yeah, I'd rather you not.

[Ginngie]

VOTE: gin

Yeah, I'd rather you not.

Lol thanks

[BBmolla]

Where’s that ignore code, let’s add mulch to that

[Mathdino]

what the fuck

i was literally laughing with the mod behind the scenes after i died that your plan was literally the only play that would result in a town loss

my experience with you ginngie was

RC's game: you basically being useless most of the game and getting in constant TvT fights

Ether's game: YOU FUCKING FAKED A GUILTY ON THE MOST CONFTOWN SLOT IN THE GAME

[Mathdino]

i am actually shocked that you're analysing me through the lens of "mathdino should respect me more"

give me a break

you are the 15th person i respected most from ether's game

[Ginngie]

Still ignores that I got scum a lot

And you read the dead PT of Team Maf, you understand the fake guilty and even said it was a topic you would have discussed

So cut the shit

[Mulch]

Ginnigie, did you say to me “stop acting like I’m so good”, and now are telling math “respect me more?”

Or am I missing something

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Mathdino is not so stupid that he can't recognize the difference between team mafia, a game in which I chose my alignment, and say, Death worlders a game where I had my alignment chosen for me non randomly.

[Ginngie]

You’re basically going yeah you suck at mafia, and pushing ad hom arguments to try and downplay the fact that I can have really good reads

[Lady Lambdadelta]

That level of ignorance feels intentional

[Ginngie]

Ginnigie, did you say to me “stop acting like I’m so good”, and now are telling math “respect me more?”

Or am I missing something

You expect me to have high caliber analysis, Math is literally saying I’m the worst which is not true

I’m somewhere in the middle and will defend that

[Mathdino]

LLD you're arguing that people are risk averse

are you basically saying everyone other than you is risk averse

Edit: ginngie at what point in the dead thread did it look like i respected your fake guilty

i said i would've considered that read, not that i would've blown through
- alignment choice
- toranaga meta
- toranaga being spewed town by lang buddha
- toranaga generally playing like town

all for that one "hmm a50 seems like he knows too much about another game" point when a50 is just a crazy fuck anyway

the only person who i've talked to that has had good things to say about you is mastina

but mastina literally taught you mafia so what the fuck do i know

you were a laughingstock after team mafia dude

[Ginngie]

Like I’m able to be good at the game, but when you’re expecting my play on paper to be this awesome quality then you’re mistaken.

Process is sloppy, results are successful

[Mathdino]

Ginnigie, did you say to me “stop acting like I’m so good”, and now are telling math “respect me more?”

Or am I missing something

You expect me to have high caliber analysis, Math is literally saying I’m the worst which is not true

I’m somewhere in the middle and will defend that

when did i say you were the worst

you voted me for not having scumreads when your entire strategy in games is "who town who left"

i never argued PoE was bad, i'm saying you telling me to start getting some scumreads is some rich shit from someone who brags about sheeping in all their games

[Ginngie]

Stop being a cunt