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[skitter30]

@ruru, 1273 - you don't have to be voting me right now, but I feel like you're scumreading me but not trying to actually do anything about it. I don't know how to explain that better. Like you scumread me. You think that there's scum on the wagon. I was on the wagon. You didn't follow up on my vote today. It feels off to me. Like to me the logical place for you to look for scum on the wagon would be me given that you're already scumreading me, but you weren't really pursuing that angle until I started bringing it up.

Which vote was the parenthesis in 1178 referring to? Your vote on me at deadline? Or your vote on drixx way earlier in the phase?

I don't understand your last line. I'm explaining that I don't think team-reading is super helpful right now without a scumflip first.

[Oxy]

Okay how about we compromise because spending more energy on ruru right now seems neither fun, nor productive from my PoV. We also disagree on Sajj. Right now she's pretty high in my lynch pool and in the poe scum teams of others, but you've been strongly town reading her all game. Why don't you show why lynching Sajj would be a mislynch? Solving that slot would go a long way to solving this game from my pov.

[Assemblerotws]

Vote Count 2.03

Not Voting [5]:

pinturicchio, Oxy, northsidegal, ruru, Scioness Sajj

ruru [1]:

skitter30

Scioness Sajj [1]:

ofrhz

With

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alive, it takes

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to lynch.

Day ends in (expired on 2018-04-21 13:00:00) on

April 21, 2018

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[ruru]

@ruru, 1273 - you don't have to be voting me right now, but I feel like you're scumreading me but not trying to actually do anything about it. I don't know how to explain that better. Like you scumread me. You think that there's scum on the wagon. I was on the wagon. You didn't follow up on my vote today. It feels off to me. Like to me the logical place for you to look for scum on the wagon would be me given that you're already scumreading me, but you weren't really pursuing that angle until I started bringing it up.

This is like a whole lot of weird vague assumptions, I don't even know

Which vote was the parenthesis in 1178 referring to? Your vote on me at deadline? Or your vote on drixx way earlier in the phase?

Drixx and to some extent eth0s/NSG

I don't understand your last line. I'm explaining that I don't think team-reading is super helpful right now without a scumflip first.

But you gave no explanation for why it should be ignored (doesn't fit your narrative?)

[ruru]

Okay I ended up reading some SS ISO + a lot of the rest of the game too because her posts are really hard to understand in ISO. I'm out of time for today so I'll post what I have so far:

Spoiler:

I didn't feel anything about 144, 148, and 150 at the time, but they are actually starting to remind me of the way skitter questions me sometimes ("why are you not just proceeding to go do things with 100% certainty"), and that isn't a good reminder. It feels like it could easily be setting up a town player to make an uncertain guess so that scum can later say "haha! look what <player> was trying to do last week, that's totally different from what they're trying to do now!". Which I'm not really sure is a legitimate method of finding scum because people's opinions can change over time, especially when they're not certain. But it could be a method of getting false positives to convince others someone is scum. (Also I don't know maybe I'm just a bit triggered)

I think this has been mentioned before but if skitter is scum then 199 becomes really interesting.

217 is kind of weird in the context of other SS posts around that time (both before and after) which were calling Oxy confused town (e.g. 201).

284 largely felt like a town post at the time. But then if she did "see what Drixx and Pin are talking about with {oxy, ruru, ofrhz}" at the end wouldn't that mean she was scumleaning Oxy? Also I feel like understanding Drixx is pretty weird in and of itself. (More on this later)

Oh, I guess 353 is interesting in retrospect. I didn't think anything of it at the time and her explanation in 695 felt like a town player. But if she's scum, it does function as an excuse for her to change her read with no real reason. (I guess I thought her read on me was towny before but now I think it's a mixed bag. I don't exactly think it's scummy though.)

I just realized I completely forgot about 377 and I don't think she ever answered it. The questions I had there could actually be pretty relevant.

Note to future-me: I made it to 453

[Oxy]

Yes! 217 and the surrounding posts pinged me at the time. I also remember posts such as 306, 313, 325 as being odd because at the time her most recent read said that she wasn't scum reading me. However, upon reread, I think they make more sense in the context of her vote on me in 363... Maybe.

You can add this one to the understanding Drixx bit, which I remember thinking was just opportunistic latching on to another slot's reads.

I had no problem following Drixx's thoughts in 254 and I think Oxy took it out of the context/misread it and ofrhz panicked? I didn't like his reaction to the posts connecting him with Oxy (on which he has a townlean/townread? i'm not sure) and he went with some posts that were putting you in the spotlight (pin had his scum pool {you, oxy, ofrhz}) and he quoted 268 yet he didn't really find a reason to interact with you all this time? Seems like distracting in a way 'look at her she is scummy, not at me'.

I will add more on this when I will get to catching up and answering things from last night.

On another note, I'm having an easier time understanding Sajj's individual lines of thought this time around. As a result of this, I'm a little less bewildered by skitter30 saying things like, (paraphrased) "I understand Sajj's thinking most of the time."

[Oxy]

Also, @everyone:
Dino was scum reading Sajj more than anything. It would be crazy not to consider this slot for today's lynch.

A lot of the scum pairings that I am currently considering involve Sajj, so town reading her would be as valuable as scum reading her.

We should put the effort in to sort this slot first today.

[Oxy]

ebwop: more than anyone else*

I didn't mean to way over exaggerate dino's scum read on Sajj.

[Oxy]

But then the two bolded parts of this post seem odd together:

3. 255 you mention two post, one from the beginning of the game and the other most current.

I feel like if you genuinely didn't know what he was referring to you'd just ask which post it was. I agree that Drixx's post was vague, so if you really didn't understand what he was referring to it seems more naturally to me to just ask generic question instead of giving two examples.

You are towny on your own and on their own those things above are pretty much nai, can be just your playstyle, but when I connect them with agendas Oxy's pushing then it looks like teamplay. Solving Oxy would make it easier for me to read you and all other slots in general.

In post 438, Scioness Sajj wrote:
I had no problem following Drixx's thoughts in 254

Interesting. Would you like to take a stab at explaining what Drixx might have meant in that post?
I’ll wait for the rest of your thoughts before addressing it

I take that back, Drixx's post is a lot more confusing than I remember it. I understand that the post is 240 and someone that pointed it out is Pin.

And with 240 being what it is, I don't even know how to begin evaluating Sajj borrowing the Ofrhz + Ozie talking point.

Ok guys its really late here in Chile and I tried to read everything but somewhere in between became really difficult, and I already convinced myself that Oxy is scum and that his partner is either ruru or ofrhz because of the early towncred to both. A lot of scum motivation there, gives free credit to his partner by giving credit to two players instead of one. The towncred he gives to both is so random I really can't see any other explanation. Also his 1v1 with Scioness seems like building the first mislynch of the game, and he's doing quite good, but nah, you're scum.
VOTE: Oxy

[skitter30]

Okay how about we compromise because spending more energy on ruru right now seems neither fun, nor productive from my PoV. We also disagree on Sajj. Right now she's pretty high in my lynch pool and in the poe scum teams of others, but you've been strongly town reading her all game. Why don't you show why lynching Sajj would be a mislynch? Solving that slot would go a long way to solving this game from my pov.

OK, but from my POV, I'm still trying to sort ruru and trying to understand why you're townreading her would help me with that.

Posts like these are why I think you're a potential ruru partner cuz I'm trying to get you to talk about your townread on her, and I feel like you're deflecting away from that, and you've been doing that since very early on (ie like on page2 you locktowned her and I couldn't get you to explain to me why you wouldn't re-evaluate your locktown reads on ofrzh and ruru from super early-day1).

Like I'm cool with also talking about sajj, but I don't want to turn convo away from ruru altogether cuz she's my best pick for scum atm.

I don't know if it's accurate to say I'm strongly townreading sajj so much as I don't really scum-read her. Her thought processes make a lot of sense to me, and she doesn't feel fabricated to me. I don't find any of the reasons to scumread her to be particularly compelling. (for example, people are saying she's scummy for not voting me just before deadline, but like, her progression and thought process makes sense given the context - she thought it was better to vote a VT soft over running up a possible PR given the deadline, but was townreading me. ie she thought it was mechanically probably a good idea but didn't actually want to. Like her progression there makes sense.)

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This is like a whole lot of weird vague assumptions, I don't even know

Whereas this doesn't make much sense to me. You're looking for scum on the wagon and you think I'm scum and I was on the wagon but you didn't talk to me about it. I find that weird.

Drixx and to some extent eth0s/NSG

Ok, I thought you were talking about your vote on me at deadline. Since you apparently weren't, let's talk about that now - why'd you take so long to vote me?

But you gave no explanation for why it should be ignored (doesn't fit your narrative?)

I mean, it's a general philosophy I have for scumhunting. Associatives are useful, but I've found that if I put stock on that *over* indivdiual scumminess, I tend to get seriously off-track and have gotten screwed over more than once by following associatves over individual-scumminess; it's happened to me more than once that I voted on associatives over individual scumminess and, like, the associative-based read was wrong and the individual-scumminess based read was right. So, like, I'm trying to learn from these mistakes and like not do that.

And like, scum know all the answers and they can manipulate associatives to mess with you. (in the spoiler. Scumteam was seph/implosion. Implosion fucked with the associatives on purpose *a lot* to make people view the game as either seph/flubber or wave/implosion, and while I was never going to believe seph/flubber, the wave/implosion narrative made *a lot* of sense and that's what lost the game ultimately.)

class; I'll look through the ruru/oxy scioness-posts later.

[ofrhz]

@skitter - I'm willing to talk about ruru a bit more. I think I may be of some help here, because I went down some sort of ruru rabbit hole in D1, and I'd like to think I got out of it. More in spoiler if you're interested.

ruru-

Spoiler:

I think there are two things about ruru:
1) She can be passive and non-confrontational. I was seeing this as scum indicative, when I don't think it is anymore. It actually makes some sense, especially when she has talked about shying away from aggressive players on other forums.
On the other hand, ruru responds to people who engage with her. This is even if they have been consistently misinterpreting her (sorry, but it's true). This is one pro-town thing about her.
2) Ruru also had this mindset that we needed more input from everyone in the game before fully concluding who is scummiest. This kinda makes sense in an idealist way; if there are two lurkers, the scumteam could possibly be in the two lurkers, and all the efforts spent scumhunting would go to waste. I know you disagree with this, but I think it's pretty clear that ruru doesn't like to commit to a scumread until she has the "full picture" if you will.

Once I established ruru's mindset, I think her playstyle was pretty consistent.

For instance, ruru's L-1 vote on the failed Drixx wagon. This vote was by far the least passive thing ruru did, but it makes sense in the context of her wanting to pressure lurkers to post asap. If ruru was scum, I don't think she would have jumped on that Drixx wagon so quickly, because A) she is passive, and B) because she is passive, I think she would have consulted her scum partner before putting that L-1 vote. She most likely didn't consult her scum partner, because she dropped her vote really soon after Oxy asked her to.

About ruru not confronting people: Really early game, I left my vote on her with very little explanation, and she didn't engage. And later in D1, I voted her with even less explanation, and she didn't engage. She did respond after I started probing her, asking more concrete questions like "why did you think skitter was scummy?" And she also responded when Scioness dropped a really long case on her. I thought this was scummy too, but given how consistently passive she is, I don't think she's doing it on purpose.

I'm kind of lost (read really lost) in your back and forth with ruru though. Which wagon is this referring to?
If you're talking about ruru not engaging with you at the start of D2, I find that kind of an odd take to have, considering you weren't really in the thread at first, came in a little bit later, and immediately engaged with her. And also think about what I said about ruru generally being passive.

If there are other ruru things or if you disagree with my analysis, I'd be happy to talk about it. You'll have to point them out for me, because I'm having a hard time following all the threads in this game. I don't mind walls that much, but maybe hide things in a spoiler if it gets really long? for the sanity of others

I really want to talk about Scioness though. I think you're giving her the benefit of the doubt where you have no reason to, like answering for Scioness about the possible PR fishing question. I think Oxy and ruru are hitting the right notes, but I'll try to boil down my thoughts about Scioness in another post.

Also, what do you think of the Drixx lynch? Scum or town motivated?

[Scioness Sajj]

I don't think skitter is giving me a benefit of a doubt. She just isn't scumreading me for things that are not scum indicative.

I have a replay ready for you, do you want me to post it now or after your post your thoughts?

[Oxy]

@skitter30 I understand your concern about me deflecting. I've reevaluated ruru a few times - the most recent time was this last night phase.

I don't think it's a productive place to put our energy right now.

I think Ofrhz has a a pretty solid read on ruru, especially considering he recently town read her by poe.

I think the quotes I gave to mathdino earlier (below) look even townier in the passive playstyle narrative that Ofrhz just described.

What is the scum motivation for picking such an inconspicuous thing to fake?

Townie Ruru posts
The thought processes and frustrations only make sense coming from town who is accustomed to a different meta, and seems like a really oddball style to go for as scum.

Spoiler:

You're harping on me for using the word "and" instead of "when?" I thought my meaning was obvious given the context of the rest of my post/sentence. I can kinda see where your confusion is coming from, but it still feels like too much of a stretch, and I still think you were building a strawman here.

Based on this and other responses I don't find you particularly scummy, not enough to leave my vote overnight.

UNVOTE: ofrhz

P-edit @ruru That post screams town. You're clearly not very familiar with this site's meta. Presumably in shorter time period games it's not safe to leave a vote overnight if you aren't confident because a wagon and a quick hammer/forced claim might occur before you return. Scum is usually more cautious about changing votes or not voting because they don't want to unnecessarily bring attention to themselves. Would I take this read to Lylo without reevaluation? No. Would I lynch you D1? Never. Heck, even asking why I townread you deserves a very very light town read.
Would choose VT because scumhunting is the most fascinating part of this game by a mile.

I think it is better not to say things like this even if they're true, because it could make it very easy to stall the game. Can we talk about whether or not we want to see wagons instead of whether or not we want to see lynches?

In post 349, ofrhz wrote:
In post 343, ruru wrote:
I don't think she leans town but I do think a wagon on the other 3 neutrals is more likely to give useful information at this time.

like arghhhhh I can't let this go

You said in 321: "I think it is likely a TvT because I think Oxy is pretty towny and SS is something like 3/4ths town." Earlier, I wasn't asking why you aren't voting Scioness Sajj, I just want to know why you determined this was likely town v town and SS is "3/4ths town" (isn't 3/4ths town the same as "leans town?"), since earlier you said you couldn't read her.


There are 8 other players, 6 of whom are town; that's where 3/4ths came from. And although I don't have a read on her in isolation, I suspect it is actually more than 3/4ths for her (and the other neutral reads) to be town, because I find two players fairly scummy.

Emphasis mine:

I was thinking about moving my vote after the weekend passed because it was looking like we wouldn't get anything from eth0s either way, but we still have a week so I'm willing to try once more.

About the priority list, I think maybe it should not be decided now. If we decide now, anyone low or absent from the list will not feel any pressure.

Not particularly related to priority order, I would really like to see NSG post reads today.

This comes after eth0s analyzes the first page of the thread and just the first page with no additional comment:

?????

In post 573, Oxy wrote:
@ruru can you talk to me about skitter some more please


I feel like pressuring Drixx was significantly +EV and I don't like that she was so against it when, from a town POV, it should be clear that nobody was actually going to lynch Drixx in 24 hours (which I was trying not to say, but I guess I will say it now since the strategy is pretty much done).

The longer he has votes on him the more likely we are to get information either from him or from people's reactions to the wagon. If he's town and scum makes the mistake of hammering him then we found scum, and I don't believe a town player who wants to win would ever hammer given the context of the wagon. I think the pro-town play would be to unvote closer to the deadline, not to do it immediately, and I feel like a town player should be able to figure that out I guess rather than make some arguments about why lynching him in 24 hours would be wrong.

In post 638, skitter30 wrote:
Also if it's me/drixx, scum!me has no reason to pick drixx to vote out of {scioness/nsg/drixx/eth0s} there if that was the proposed plan. I could very easily have voted eth0s; there were two votes there and I could've just let the 24-hour lynch thing happen without involving partner!drixx in it at all to get a mislynch and let the day end fast. Like if I was scum with drixx there's no reason for me not to just support the plan on anyone not my partner without starting all of this in the first place.


I'm not sure I agree that there is no benefit to scum!skitter in choosing scum!Drixx (and I mentioned some of the benefits in my post), but I still need to think a bit more on whether or not scum!skitter would actually do it. And I really don't think it's an alternative to "just let the 24-hour lynch thing happen [...] to get a mislynch and let the day end fast". I find it really hard to imagine a universe where that actually happens, and actively pushing it after 24h would make you look extremely scummy.

Also, I agree that Oxy's vote on pin was weirdly timed, but I feel like it was not necessarily out of character.

Again, speaking about pressuring drixx:

The play that could have been made, but wasn't, depends on players collectively bluffing without revealing that they are bluffing.

For the second question, the bluff is that town is willing to carry through with the lynch.

[Scioness Sajj]

Oxy, what happend to 'sajj must be town' from D1?

[ofrhz]

I’m at work and just spent my lunch hour doing the ruru thing lol so you might as well write down your thoughts now, so I can read it while I’m “working.” Might not respond right away though.

This is for Scioness.

[Scioness Sajj]

You are implying here that you wanted people to scumread ruru with you but you never made a case on her or tried to convince people to vote ruru.
Also - why were you upset that my case on ruru went in so late when you have already said you stopped scumleaning on her? 778 you have unvoted ruru for a reason stated below skitter's quote or no reason given at all. 895 you said you are townleaning her.

1. I usually question the person I'm voting for, which I did with ruru. The thing with ruru was, her D1 answers were always in the realm of "believable but iffy." But I shouldn't have to give a 5 paragraph essay with quotes on why I think ruru is scum, because I personally find those hard to read. I know you like to vote someone and write a convincing case on someone and that's fine, but I don't play like that. I feel like most of this is you being like "omg ofrhz has a different playstyle than me."

2. I was annoyed because wagons can't form if we jump on and off; not only does ruru not feel much pressure, but other people pay attention to other things like NSG who had three(?) votes on her at the same time.

3. I unvoted ruru because I didn't think there was going to be any pressure on her and wanted town to focus on something. I was basically nullreading ruru because I was unsure at 895. She had answered my questions and yours by that point.

1. Nah, nothing to do with playstyle. And no I don't enjoy walls.
I'm speaking of that time early in the game when you had vote on ruru parked there for a few days without engaging her. You had a little back and forth with her earlier, she unvoted you but you just kept your vote her without engaging her. We have talked about it.
I never said you have had to make a big case, two sentences on why you think she is scum and a vote would be fine. You just poked her for a moment and unvoted because you weren't scumreading her anymore so.

2. So you voted Ruru for pressure?

3. There were two wagons at that of you unvoting ruru then you disappeared. What did you want town to focus on and why didn't you do anything to help town focusing on said something?

- Oxy - Scioness is willing to sheep Mathdino on NSG but not willing to sheep Mathdino's most confident town read? ..........??? I'm not even going to entertain this because I was independently townreading Oxy before Mathdino even showed up to the game.

There is a difference between Mathdino having a townread on NSG when he probably has read every game she has ever played just because he wants to be that good at reading her. (Add to it that I have played with NSG before, if I am to be confident in any of my reads this game I bet on NSG beng town).

And Mathdino reading people of some scraps of this thread and having a conf-town on Oxy because of townslip especially when he is wrong about me. Beside, the obvious one good read =/= all good reads.

- me - This is Scioness's most plausible ruru scumteam. The best thing I can do here is to try to convince her that I'm town. But if Scioness is scum and she wants to push through a ruru lynch, she's probably going to have to scum read me no matter what. So really I'm just going to be defending myself for everyone else in the game.

That's some really early survivalism and makes really little sense.

You have, somehow, figure out that you and ruru is the best possible team from my poe, that's fine. Then you make assumptions that, in my eyes you are both scum, I will still push for lynch on independently of ruru's flip?
Like I don't know, do you know that ruru is scum? Do you think I'm bussing ruru to kill you? ??????

Why are you so scared of me suddenly? Do you think I have a power to force two mislynches?

@scioness- That’s just basic deduction. Like do you still think ruru and skitter are a thing? They were slinging mud at each other just now. And this is all staged you say?

Basic deduction would be that I didn't exclude anybody but two people I feel somewhat confident that they can't be in a teams with her. Unless disagreeing with you == scum.
Yeah, they just started again, I will see where it goes and update my poe if needed. I have written down my poe before they engaged today so why are you even talking about it, lol.

I do think Scioness asking me who the nk should have been was scummy. It was indirectly asking me who I thought the PRs were.

Did you really? If you thought asking was suspicious why didn't you engage me or add it to the reason you were voting me for?
Nope, it was face value question. I have asked because I wasn't really surprised to see him dead, he did shake up the game in a way that the scum team wouldn't be happy with. Do you really think I would think that you know who prs are?

[Oxy]

@sajj
I'm reevaluating. I think sorting you is very important to the game.

In post 1234, ofrhz wrote:
- me - This is Scioness's most plausible ruru scumteam. The best thing I can do here is to try to convince her that I'm town. But if Scioness is scum and she wants to push through a ruru lynch, she's probably going to have to scum read me no matter what. So really I'm just going to be defending myself for everyone else in the game.

That's some really early survivalism and makes really little sense.

You have, somehow, figure out that you and ruru is the best possible team from my poe, that's fine. Then you make assumptions that, in my eyes you are both scum, I will still push for lynch on independently of ruru's flip?
Like I don't know, do you know that ruru is scum? Do you think I'm bussing ruru to kill you? ??????

Why are you so scared of me suddenly? Do you think I have a power to force two mislynches?

I don't agree that Ofrhz was making the assumptions that Scioness implies towards the end, but I do think she may be on to something with the bolded.

[Oxy]

Maybe it's an experience thing, but if you're town, scum hunting >> defending yourself. Better defense and better legacy if you are mislynched.

[Scioness Sajj]

I understand him as saying: she has pool of potential scum buddies for ruru, they are bad i think I'm the best scum buddy from that bunch so she will try to mislynch me d3 so she is scum.

1292 is to me?

[Oxy]

no, it was to everyone

[ofrhz]

@Scioness re 1290-

Spoiler:

About my votes on ruru:

1. At the time, I thought it was weird how she stopped interacting with me when I still had my vote on her (early D1). She later said something like "this isn't part of my personality to engage you like this" and I was like "okay that's believable..." I still had lingering thoughts in the back of my head (like ruru could have been lying about her personality, but I couldn't substantiate this). I think I was also prompting ruru to give the results of her reaction test, so I did prompt her with whatever I had to go on. Other people were also going back and forth with her, and I didn't really see the need to parrot what they say.

2. Yeah she was a bit scummy, and I think it's usually good to pressure that. The more votes, the merrier imo.

3. I think I said, in the same post where I unvoted, that I wouldn't mind focusing on Drixx (other people had Drixx on their radar for being inactive, not explaining mysterious posts), but my two townreads (skitter and Oxy) at the time were on NSG. I didn't quite get why, so I asked people why. Soon later, NSG popped in with her rant about how difficult this game was to get into or something. skitter unvoted after that. Math showed up afterwards, so a lot was happening then. I'm not sure what you expect me to do in terms of helping town focus there. I later voted Drixx because I thought he was also a bit suspect (but less so than ruru), and that was part of forming a town consensus, no?

This is purely from memory, so if I'm wrong, lmk and I'll go back and look.

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About Mathdino's reads:

You have mis-characterized Mathdino's reads. Mathdino was more confident in Oxy being town than NSG, because he didn't even consider scumteams with Oxy in them, but he did consider scumteams with NSG.

I think it's very convenient how you picked to townread NSG but not Oxy based on Mathdino's reads, and the logic behind how you got there doesn't make sense. I feel like if you want to sheep Mathdino's reads, you have to properly sheep them and not cherrypick which ones you want to sheep. Otherwise... it's not sheeping.

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About ruru scumteams:

From my POV, the ruru push looks fake. Both me and Oxy have been asking for possible ruru scumteams. So if you're going to keep on pushing ruru, you were going to have to keep bringing up possible ruru scumteams. If you kept going down that route, you were going to have to justify that by scumreading someone who also makes sense in a ruru scumteam. I was calling that out pre-emptively for people to see as a possible scumslip.

Like I can kinda already see skitter doing this with Oxy with her whole "Oxy is townish but also could be scum." Does that make sense?

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Yeah I guess I saw enough mudslinging between ruru and skitter D1 to not think it was staged. I asked that question again to see if you had reconsidered. Have you reconsidered the ruru/skitter scumteam?
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I was working out how to ask you about that. I couldn't outright and say "are you fishing for PRs?" cuz you'd obviously say no, right...? I mean, this point is moot anyway because of the discussion skitter and I had.

[ofrhz]

I do think scumhunting is better than defending yourself for town. I think Scioness has been really defensive every time she has come under even small scrutiny. More on that later once I have time to go back and find posts.

[ofrhz]

Like I don't know, do you know that ruru is scum? Do you think I'm bussing ruru to kill you? ??????

Why are you so scared of me suddenly? Do you think I have a power to force two mislynches?

Like here. I don't get how you think I could be scared of you when yesterday you were literally like "don't engage me rn." Weird overreaction. Possibly projecting.

[Scioness Sajj]

OH MY GOD THE SCUMSLIPS

[ofrhz]

lol ok