Newbie 1859 (Game Over)

[Oxy]

@skitter30 the worst part is that you're calling me bad!scum because my master plan to build apathy through wall posts didn't even produce wall posts. =(

[pinturicchio]

@pinturicchio I beat you to it.

except it would def have been more beneficial for nsg+oxy LOL

I've been surpassed as the tinfoil master!

[Oxy]

@skitter30 There is no way to back up your assertion, but it might be reasonable to expect a slight increase in wall posts over the norm when in a 1v1 situation. I'll give you that. But your case that I am scum because I created a 1v1 to entice sajj and ofrhz to wallpost so that nsg and others wouldn't want to play is so much of a stretch, skitter. And that's the problem. You wouldn't accept such a pained argument from anyone else, and you wouldn't make one as town.

[skitter30]

Ofrhz + Pin

that pair of end of day votes precludes this pretty strongly.
Ofrhz + Skitter - plausible
Ofrhz + Sajj - Less likely than Ofrhz + Skitter but not impossible

Pin + Skitter - Less likely than Ofrhz + Skitter but not impossible
Pin + Sajj - This is possible. I wish we could have seen what would have happened if a sajj wagon had started towards end of day

Skitter + Saj - Less likely than the rest I think because of the strong defenses they have given for one another.

so I guess what I'm saying is I want to lynch Skitter today.

If Skitter flips town, I want to lynch Sajj -> Pin/Ofrhz
If Skitter flips scum, I want to lynch Ofrhz -> Pin/Sajj

VOTE: Skitter30

@skitter30 I was thinking that if you flipped town, that would take the above possible pairs and reduce them to:

Ofrhz + Sajj
Pin + Sajj

Sajj is in both of those pairings, and town would be at 5-man Lylo. Town should probably lynch scum in that situation, don't you think?

I think that this is analysis is built on the assumption that you/ruru are town, neither of which I particularly believe atm.
Like you don't actually seem to scumread scioness, so much as think she's scum by PoE by eliminating the people I think are most likely to be scum, which is why I disagree with this post. (disregarding NSG, I probably agree there).

Like you're not actually reading her on play so much as building an elaborate PoE based on assumptions that aren't obvious, and in doing so, you're also disregarding re-evaluating pin/ofrzh.

And like, if you're scum, this post is basically setting up the mislynch that you'll need to win the game tomorrow.

[skitter30]

@skitter30 There is no way to back up your assertion, but it might be reasonable to expect a slight increase in wall posts over the norm when in a 1v1 situation. I'll give you that. But your case that I am scum because I created a 1v1 to entice sajj and ofrhz to wallpost so that nsg and others wouldn't want to play is so much of a stretch, skitter. And that's the problem. You wouldn't accept such a pained argument from anyone else, and you wouldn't make one as town.

1V1S EARLIER IN THE GAME CAUSED THAT EXACT SCENARIO FOR MULTIPLE PEOPLE FFS.

It made them (eth0s, drixx, nsg; math didn't want to read it) apathetic and made it hard for them to read the game and to particpate.

How is it in any way a stretch to say that there's a fairly decent chance that if we do the same thing as before it'll have the same outcome as before?

[skitter30]

I gotta do some hw before my next class; I'll be around during my break maybe or when I get home tonight.

[Oxy]

@skitter30 There is no way to back up your assertion, but it might be reasonable to expect a slight increase in wall posts over the norm when in a 1v1 situation. I'll give you that. But your case that I am scum because I created a 1v1 to entice sajj and ofrhz to wallpost so that nsg and others wouldn't want to play is so much of a stretch, skitter. And that's the problem. You wouldn't accept such a pained argument from anyone else, and you wouldn't make one as town.

1V1S EARLIER IN THE GAME CAUSED THAT EXACT SCENARIO FOR MULTIPLE PEOPLE FFS.

It made them (eth0s, drixx, nsg; math didn't want to read it) apathetic and made it hard for them to read the game and to particpate.

How is it in any way a stretch to say that there's a fairly decent chance that if we do the same thing as before it'll have the same outcome as before?

I was going to ask what you thought we should do instead, but I realized that you've shown us all your alternative.

And it was to 1v1 me.

So is this 1v1 anti-town? LOL

[Oxy]

If you really believe this nonsense, why isn't it reflected in your play? Why are you engaging me in a 1v1?

And also, how come my master plan is always to push for something super scummy by saying, "Hey, guys! I think we should do [super scummy thing]!" Do I just scream no chill?

Don't answer that.. ;P

[Oxy]

I think that this is analysis is built on the assumption that you/ruru are town, neither of which I particularly believe atm.
Like you don't actually seem to scumread scioness, so much as think she's scum by PoE by eliminating the people I think are most likely to be scum, which is why I disagree with this post. (disregarding NSG, I probably agree there).

So you asked me why I would want to lynch sajj tomorrow if you flipped town, and I gave you my analysis.

You disagree with the analysis because it assumes I'm town.

I

feel

like you probably could have expected me to use town!me as a given.

So then what was the point of this conversation?

Because it clearly wasn't an attempt to gauge my thought process and sort me...

Also, here you are telling me that poe is an ineffective method for finding scum.

[ofrhz]

@skitter - I think I understand your thought process but it doesn't make sense to me at all

Consider this:
- Scioness wallposts a lot
- I want to talk to Scioness to resolve her slot
- I KNOW that talking to Scioness will likely lead to more wallposts --> discouraging players from being engaged with the game

... does that make me scummy? Like how do I resolve her slot otherwise? How else do I wrap up these loose threads that my convo with Scioness created?

I think Oxy wanted to resolve Scioness's slot and wanted to see more things from Scioness. The onus is on Scioness to not produce wallposts, not on Oxy.

VOTE: skitter

[Scioness Sajj]

oh boy

[ofrhz]

skitter is at L-2

[Scioness Sajj]

I think Oxy wanted to resolve Scioness's slot and wanted to see more things from Scioness. The onus is on Scioness to not produce wallposts, not on Oxy.

From me and not from you?

[Scioness Sajj]

btw

people
don't have
to write dense walls to 1 v 1

[Oxy]

btw

people
don't have
to write dense walls to 1 v 1

ding! Someone's coming around!

[Scioness Sajj]

like big part of this game is people arguing about misreading each other

and not arguing about different opinions

so we are not really playign the game

yet

[Scioness Sajj]

btw

people
don't have
to write dense walls to 1 v 1

ding! Someone's coming around!

come on, mr secretary
you, like everybody else, should know that I don't post walls becuase I want to but becuase people don't understand me

[pinturicchio]

btw

people
don't have
to write dense walls to 1 v 1

This is exactly why I think skitter's point about the intended 1v1 is garbage, and throws shade to the wallposters saying that its their fault that a lot of players are not engaging. Eth0s said he was busy, Dino did engaged, Drixx was V/LA and NSG usually plays like this.

[ofrhz]

@Scioness - I don’t know how to respond to walls without creating another wall in response. But I do think that today, I have done a pretty good job of not starting a conversation with a wall.

Like 1295 was in response to 1290. I don’t know how to truncate my response when you began so many threads. Another example is 1230 which I tried to shorten in response to 1219

[ofrhz]

Although Scioness, I think we both did a good job of not writing walls in the posts after that!

[ofrhz]

^ which further disproves skitters point.

[Scioness Sajj]

@Scioness - I don’t know how to respond to walls without creating another wall in response. But I do think that today, I have done a pretty good job of not starting a conversation with a wall.

Like 1295 was in response to 1290. I don’t know how to truncate my response when you began so many threads. Another example is 1230 which I tried to shorten in response to 1219

If this is an answer to 1487 then that's not what I asked.
In the quoted (by me) you said that you think that Oxy was interested in me, and me only.

[Scioness Sajj]

yeah for some reason it feels

like people understand
me better when I write like

that

[ofrhz]

Oh yeah he wanted better reads from both of us, you’re right.

Yeah I like it when you shit post tbh. It makes the game more fun if nothing else

[Scioness Sajj]

alright that's a feedback I was waiting for

ruru still scum btw