VARSOON VARIETY HOUR : GAME SCRAPPED

[Purple Heart]

Hey Cerby
you townread me right?

[Purple Heart]

because let me say this.
I'll say it in red because red truth does not lie.

If you townread me, or townlean me, or think I am any sort of "town" read, then Maid Cafe is town because I can soul read both heads as town. Claire head of the Maid Cafe hydra is town because her approach to her hydra Beeboy is exactly the same as to her approach with our hydra in RC's latest uPick. If you don't want to read that game, the summary is Claire only needed to post when I asked her to post and when I emotionally could not feel like playing or handling the game. She is supports her hydra partner in what they need to do, and they are filling that role to a T. If Claire was a wolf, you would see more posting from her period because she has the stronger wolf game AND In Fact, Beeboy would just lurk out if he randed wolf. In fact, Beeboy is town because he straight up does not fake that guilty as a wolf he does not need that intention and if bee was a wolf then this is a very easy game for him. Beeboy does not defend mastina when I got extremely angry at her he supports me. Beeboy does not kill MathBlade because its MathBlade. Wolf!Bee just lets town implode without doing anyhting at all, and you would be seeing Claire a lot more often then you are seeing Beeboy. THEREFORE Maid Cafe is town.

[Purple Heart]

Are we done here?
Cerby are you going to continue to suggest that Bee is a wolf even though I am probably the best player on the playerlist to read them?
Please say yes, it makes my life easier :3

[Reasonably Rational]

Are we done here?
Cerby are you going to continue to suggest that Bee is a wolf even though I am probably the best player on the playerlist to read them?
Please say yes, it makes my life easier :3

We are not done here, and I'm not going to stop suggesting they're scum. Bee is exploiting their own meta here, as evidenced by them stating that they only fake innocents, not guilties. They're self aware enough to make that statement to someone like me, who they could expect to follow up on it(though I didn't cuz lazy+my other head is the one who I'd get to do something like that normally), and knew we wouldn't find anything contradicting it. That tells me that the fact of faking the guilty is certainly NOT something which should ever be used as evidence in favor of them being town. Your other two points are, basically, worthless to me, partially because of that meta awareness displayed by beeboy, and the fact that they likely know what you expect from town them.

And that's all assuming I have you as definitely town, which, for the record, I don't actually have ANYONE as.
-Cerb

[Maid Cafe]

We can talk about this tomorrow.
I'll defend myself.

~B

[Purple Heart]

Bee is exploiting their own meta here

Probably the best point you brought up so far but you're using it in the wrong context.
I don't care about the fact that he faked whatever investigation result
I don't care about that.
I don't even see wolf!Bee doing it, he doesn't NEED that attention. If he is pushing all town, he just lets village implode.

I do say its a good point because while Bee is capable of that, there is a time and place where he is willing to do that, and I promise you, this is not a time and place he is willing to do that because if Bee was a wolf, instead of manipulating his meta, he would be focusing on succeeding in school.

Like, I know Bee as a person.
If they were a wolf, you would be seeing way more Claire and way less Bee.

--

Your other two points are, basically, worthless to me, partially because of that meta awareness displayed by beeboy, and the fact that they likely know what you expect from town them.

Why?
Like, Wolf!Bee doesn't need to do anything.
He doesn't need to push an agenda, because town will be mislynching themselves if he is suggesting a scumpool of all town.
And he can probably do that for the rest of the game.
He has no reason to play the way he has, which has been a focused on trying to get town to work together to do what he needs them to do. He doesn't need to do that as a wolf, he just lets town spiral out of control.

--

And that's all assuming I have you as definitely town, which, for the record, I don't actually have ANYONE as.

Okay then there isn't really much we can get out of this conversation now can we.

[Reasonably Rational]

That's not true. I can cooperate and work with even people I suspect, because I live in a state of perpetual suspicion.

If you wouldn't mind, I'd appreciate you doing a little exercise for me.

Pretend A50 gets lynched with the game state the way it was when MC faked the guilty. Assume they flip town. How do things look for the MC slot? Assume they flip scum. Again, how do things look for the MC slot?

Now, pretend they get lynched and flip town/scum, and MC did not tell Chara that they faked the guilty prior to the flip.

Now, finally, pretend that they get lynched in the current game state, flip town or scum, and so on.

Got it?

Now, list those 6 scenarios in order of "least likely to get MC eventually lynched" to "most likely to get MC eventually lynched"

Then post that here, with some reasoning for the results/orders.

I'm very interested in seeing your perspective on those game states, and where MC falls into them.
-Cerb

[Reasonably Rational]

The first scenario, to be clear, is BEFORE the fake guilty happened. So comparing game stare if A50 flips efore fake guilty, after fake guilty but before claiming it, and after claiming it, as either alignment.

-Cerb

[Purple Heart]

That's not true. I can cooperate and work with even people I suspect, because I live in a state of perpetual suspicion.

I feel like you're missing my point here. Mafia is a team game, right? I'm not saying that because you suspect me that I cannot work with you. I'm saying that if you townread me, you should trust my abilities to read those two players.

Anyhow Cerby, I'm trying to play along, but here is the difference.
You care about the fake guilty.
I don't.
We both knew it was fake in the first place since we have the gamesense to come to that conclusion, yeah?

So it comes down to this,
why should I care about the fake guilty?

I also have to leave extremely soon.
I feel like it'll be better if Taly plays along with your excercise considering that and he isn't really that familiar with how Claire/Bee play.

[Maid Cafe]

Yeah Mafia is a team game so don't go doing stupid shit like faking guilties.

[Reasonably Rational]

I actually don't think I can remember a time where I just trusted someone else's judgment in a game, at least, privately. I've certainly expressed the sentiment of sheeping reads etc, but never actually agreed without coming to my own independent conclusion.

-Cerb

[Purple Heart]

Meh
I need to leave
Taly will do the excise

[Reasonably Rational]

Meh
I need to leave
Taly will do the excise

Understood. Have fun doing your thing!

Also, Aladdin was INCREDIBLE. :p

-Cerb

[Bronya Zaychik]

I actually don't think I can remember a time where I just trusted someone else's judgment in a game, at least, privately. I've certainly expressed the sentiment of sheeping reads etc, but never actually agreed without coming to my own independent conclusion.

-Cerb

This is why I like you...and why we butt heads.

#heartemojis

~Titus

[Purple Heart]

Even though it seems most of you don't care about figuring out the riddle icon has, I'm going to remind you all that Sky bird has a PT with Icon, Chara has a PT with everyone else, so even in the night we can make suggestions that Chara can pass on to skybird to pass on to icon. So let's not just stop trying bease the day ends without resolution.

@PH:I still see numerous scenarios where MC is scum, and I never STOPPED seeing those scenarios. So, lynching them was always going to come up for me at least if their list didn't lead us to at least 2 scum lunches immediately.

-Cerb

So, by this, you're thinking that regardless of the flip, at best from a scumlip,

Maid Cafe

has been bussing their scumreads?

What are your thoughts if

Almost50

flips town, and what are your thoughts on

Almost50

flipping scum?

That's not true. I can cooperate and work with even people I suspect, because I live in a state of perpetual suspicion.

If you wouldn't mind, I'd appreciate you doing a little exercise for me.

Pretend A50 gets lynched with the game state the way it was when MC faked the guilty. Assume they flip town. How do things look for the MC slot? Assume they flip scum. Again, how do things look for the MC slot?

In the world where a lynch happens before fake-guilty outed:

1) Almost50 is town;

this will nearly confirm

Maid Cafe

as scum who lied to conceal a mislynch, and much less likely, a towny who targeted another towny off... not the strong basis they claimed. That doesn't discount the possible accuracy of

Maid Cafe's

read, but that doesn't explain how he came to that.

Chara's

puzzle would probably not be completed if a lynch happened at this time or in this manner.

2) Almost50 is scum;

this will nearly confirm

Maid Cafe

as town within the eyes of townies, but that doesn't discount the reality of his fake-guilty actually being BECAUSE

Maid Cafe

knows

Almost50's

alignment, and bussed. But town wouldn't know this though.

Chara's

puzzle would probably not be completed if a lynch happened at this time or in this manner.

In either case, a flip does not quite absolve

Maid Cafe

either way.

Now, pretend they get lynched and flip town/scum, and MC did not tell Chara that they faked the guilty prior to the flip.

Upon an Almost50 flip without Chara knowing of the fake guilty:

1) Almost50 is town;

a similar situation like above would arise. But also,

Chara

not knowing this, would become a question mark to the gamestate, assuming that he would likely have a PT with

Maid Cafe

in this reality. That could hinder

Chara's

means of game solving since he didn't know of this relevant piece of information. That would make communication difficult and easy to misconstrue.

2) Almost50 is scum;

a similar situation like above would arise. But in this scenario where

Chara

doesn't know this, that could easily help build a case in where

Maid Cafe

is town. Because assuming a PT with

Chara

would happen here, that could help create distance from

Maid Cafe

and his supposed guilty.

However, neither option doesn't help clear

Maid Cafe

either way in reality because it was a faked guilty, but town would not know this.

Now, finally, pretend that they get lynched in the current game state, flip town or scum, and so on.

Almost50 flipping right now:

1) Almost50 is town;

would very easily point to

Maid Cafe

doing this to push for a mislynch because of how much he's still pushing this despite the guilty. This rings as anti-town, and that also generates questions behind his motives, which may or may not be town-motivated, despite the poor play.

2) Almost50 is scum;

this would make

Maid Cafe

somewhat cleared? This would confirm he was correct, but that doesn't mean he's town.

Got it?

Now, list those 6 scenarios in order of "least likely to get MC eventually lynched" to "most likely to get MC eventually lynched"

Then post that here, with some reasoning for the results/orders.

I'm very interested in seeing your perspective on those game states, and where MC falls into them.
-Cerb

Most Likely To Get MC Eventually Lynched

1) Almost50 is town, and the fake-guilty is common knowledge.

This, rather blatantly shows that not only did

Maid Cafe

lie about the guilty, continued to pursue, but on top of that, lynched town.

2) Almost50 is scum, and the fake guilty is common knowledge.

With the fake-guilty known, that still creates uncertainty about how

Maid Cafe

came to that conclusion independent of the claim.

3) Almost50 is town, and Chara wasn't told about the fake guilty in the first place;

very similar situation here as to 4, but

Maid Cafe

becomes a wafflehouse to the playerlist, because nobody has accurate information or has talked to him to accurately deduce his reasons for the fake-guilty.

4) Almost50 is town, and he was lynched around the point the fake-guilty was stated;

this puts pressure on

Maid Cafe

indefinitely, but this also puts ANYONE that jumped onto his push toward

Almost50

in the spotlight as well.

5) Almost50 is scum, and Chara wasn't told about the fake guilty in the first place;

very similar situation here as to 6, but this just more likely creates a barrier of communication.

6) Almost50 is scum, and he was lynched around the point the fake-guilty was stated;

with little discussion,

Maid Cafe

will be deemed as a Town-esque PR, and nobody would be able to discredit him unless people push him on the pretenses that he bussed... but with almost no present strong reasoning.

Least Likely To Get MC Eventually Lynched

~~~~~~

I don't think I'm the best person to implement objective reasoning that much, but I can definitely understand the conflicting argument with

Maid Cafe

and I have been more uncertain of my read there since the fake-guilty became known.

That doesn't change my read on

Almost50

, however, I've talked to

Alisae

about this, and e's extremely adamant that

Maid Cafe

is town.

Alisae's

even told me e wouldn't ALLOW me to vote

Maid Cafe/Beeboy

, which makes me a bit less confident in my current reads. I'm working to be in sync with my partner, but there's not enough information to sway me either way at the moment in how to take the fake-guilty.

~ Taly

[Purple Heart]

Ugh.

2 minutes from deadline, hopefully I didn't misunderstand a question.

~ Taly

[Varsoon]

You have to try to be happy, okay!?
For our sakes!
We'll feel better knowing our trouble was worth it.

VOTECOUNT 2.12 : DEADLINE LYNCH

DEADLINE LYNCH : Almost50 (6):

Maid Cafe, Dunnstral, Bronya Zaychik, Creature, Heart, Purple, Almost50

Gamma Emerald (1):

Venmar

Not Voting (7):

Chara, baku and munna, Nancy Drew 39, Skybird, Iconeum, Reasonably Rational, Gamma Emerald

With 14 Alive, it takes 8 to Lynch.
Deadline

: (expired on 2018-04-08 19:20:00)

The current playthrough is on the PACIFIST ROUTE.
Snarky Snowman no longer counts as a living player.
They may still post, but they may not vote, be voted for, act, or be targeted.

[Varsoon]

At least, everything seemed peaceful, until the king bit the dust. No one was quite sure why it happened. I mean, yeah, sure, some peeps had some beef with him. Especially the hamburger guy. Still. No one's quite sure what did him in, but one day he was just dust. Ashes. Various other bits. I dunno. I wasn't there. For a brief moment, though, folks swear they saw the body of a pale lady instead of the king. I don't know 'bout all that.
Like I said, I wasn't there. I was over at grillby's, enjoyin' some fries. It was a delicious evening for me.

[Varsoon]

Almost50 has been lynched!
They were Asgore, aligned with

The End

.
They were also Nahiri the Lithomancer.
Their full role and hand can be seen here:

Spoiler: Asgore

PACIFIST	GENOCIDE
King Fluffybuns	ASGORE
I do not want power. I do not want to hurt anyone.	What kind of monster are you?
You are aligned with the Scum Faction, The End .	You are aligned with the Scum Faction, The End .
I would use their souls to become godlike... If you are the hammering player on a lynch, you may gain one ability from the lynched player. Take my soul, and leave this cursed place. You will win the game if your faction's numbers ever equal or outnumber those of The Underground . You will lose the game if The End have no more living players.	Why not settle this... Over a nice cup of tea? You may are unable to kill, vote, or use any abilities. These facts are made public knowledge. Why... You... You will win the game if your faction's numbers ever equal or outnumber those of The Underground . You will lose the game if The End have no more living players.

Spoiler: Nahiri the Lithomancer

Nahiri the Lithomancer
"Perfect."
You are aligned with the Scum Faction, The End . Your Color Identity is White.
This is your world. This stone, this earth, is yours to fight for. You gain a colorless mana for every 48 hours that passes during the Day phase. You gain one White Mana for being on a wagon that results in a lynch. I spent millennia with those monsters. Do you know what that's like? You will win the game if your faction's numbers ever equal or outnumber those of The Sparkbearers . You will lose the game if The End have no more living players.

Welcome to the Multiverse, Nahiri the Lithomancer. Your starting spells are:

Declaration in Stone
Sorcery
SORCERY SPELLS MAY ONLY BE CAST DURING THE NIGHT PHASE. This spell costs one white mana and one mana of any color to cast.
Remove target creature and all creatures that share a name with it from the game. If a creature is removed in this way, it's owner gains a colorless mana. The message was clear to Sorin--Nahiri had paid Markov Manor a visit.

Sword of Body and Mind
ARTIFACT
ARTIFACT SPELLS MAY BE CAST DURING ANY PHASE. This spell costs three mana of any color to cast.
This card does not have a color identity. Artifact spells have public effects and stay in effect until removed from the game. When you cast this artifact, target a Creature. That Creature may now vote and it's vote counts as three votes. That Creature may not be targeted by Green colored spells or effects. That Creature may not be targeted by Blue colored spells or effects.

Sword of War and Peace
ARTIFACT
ARTIFACT SPELLS MAY BE CAST DURING ANY PHASE. This spell costs three mana of any color to cast.
This card does not have a color identity. Artifact spells have public effects and stay in effect until removed from the game. When you cast this artifact, target a Creature. That Creature may now vote and it's vote counts as three votes. That Creature may not be targeted by Red colored spells or effects. That Creature may not be targeted by White colored spells or effects.

[Varsoon]

It is now Night 2.
The deadline to submit Night actions is: (expired on 2018-04-11 23:00:00)

[Varsoon]

Due to personal reasons, I will not be able to be here for the current deadline.
In order to move forward with a more sensible resolution/daystart, I've added 24 hours to the deadline.
Finally, thank you all for supporting me--I've been put forth as a 2017 Scummies finalist in three different categories related to moderation (Game of the Year, Excellent Moderation, Best Flavor).
I hope that we can make this game a winner, too. Please give it your all.

[Varsoon]

There was a good deal of unease that night. I felt it, too. You ever get that feeling? You know, the one where you feel like everything you do is pointless? It's an emptiness beyond ennui. I started to feel that way on that night. It didn't help that our reports showed a massive anomaly in the timespace continuum. Timelines jumping left and right, stopping and starting--until suddenly, everything ends. And, really, that's what I'm scared of, y'know? The End. Even if I forget you, even if everything goes back and everyone forgets all of this, at least we'll all still be around. We'll just end up right back here, without any memory of it, right? I've gotten used to that idea, but the idea of it all ending, now, that's really terrifying.

"There is nothing left for us here.
Let us erase this pointless world, and move on to the next."

[Varsoon]

Maid Cafe was killed on Night 2!
They were Grillby, aligned with

The Underground

.

In Magic the Gathering Mafia, they were Ajani, Mentor of Heroes.
Their full role and hand can be seen here:

Spoiler: Ajani

Ajani Goldmane, Mentor of Heroes
"Duty, honor, and valor are either in your heart or they are not. You will never know for certain until you are tested."
You are aligned with the Town Faction, The Sparkbearers . Your Color Identity is Green and White.
Whenever the strong would harm the weak, I will be there. If two players are voting for each other and one of those players has more votes on them than the other, You may 'pledge' yourself to the player with more votes against them, locking your vote in against the opposing player. Your vote stays locked until the player you are pledged to no longer has more votes against them than the opposing player. The first time that you do this during each Day phase, you gain one White mana. One's blade is only as sharp as one's conviction. At any time that you are 'pledged' to a player, you may decide to 'dedicate' your vote. If you do so, for the rest of the Day phase, the player you are pledged to controls your vote. 'Dedicating' your vote in this way gains you two Green mana. If your vote is Dedicated to a player, you may not Pledge your vote for the remainder of the Day phase. Retribution is best delivered by claws and rage, with both magnified. You will win the game if all players that are members of The End are dead. You will lose the game if The Sparkbearers ever have equal or less living members than The End .

Welcome to the Multiverse, Ajani Goldmane. Your starting spells are:

Soul's Grace
Instant
Instant SPELLS MAY BE CAST DURING ANY PHASE. This spell costs one White mana and one mana of any color to cast.
Target a Creature. You take extra votes to lynch equal to that Creature's mana cost. This spell may only be cast during the Day phase. This spell's effects end at the end of the Day phase. An avatar he sculpts of fellowship and light.

Oath of Ajani
Enchantment
Enchantment SPELLS MAY BE CAST DURING ANY PHASE. This spell costs one Green mana and one White mana to cast.
Enchantment spells have public effects and stay in effect until removed from the game. When you cast this spell, target Creature gains the ability to vote. When you cast this spell, you gain access to the 'Gatewatch' Private Thread. Until all have found their place, I will keep watch.

Mother of Runes
Creature
Creature SPELLS MAY BE CAST DURING ANY PHASE. This spell costs one White mana to cast.
Creature spells have public effects and stay in effect until removed from the game. When you cast this Spell, choose a color and target a Creature. Until the end of the next Night Phase, that Creature is immune to Spells and effects of that color. You may repeat this ability at the start of each Day phase that Mother of Runes is in play.

Spoiler: Grillby

PACIFIST	GENOCIDE
Grillby, Proprietor of Grillby's	Grillby
...good job.	*Grillby is getting nervous.
You are aligned with the Town Faction, The Underground .	You are aligned with the Town Faction, The Underground .
how about i treat you to lunch at grillby's? Once per Day, you may target up to five players. Each player you target is added to a unique Grillby's Private Topic that you host. This ability does not affect players who took any action during the previous Night phase. Any actions these players take during the following Night phase will be confirmed in the Grillby's PT. ... You will win the game if all players that are members of The End are dead. You will lose the game if The Underground ever have equal or less living members than The End .	Something feels really bad. Our lives are going nowhere, aren't they...? During the Day, you may target up to three players. Your targets will be added to your unique Grillby's Private Topic. All players in the Grillby's Private Topic can not take actions at Night. grillby, put it on my tab. You will win the game if all players that are members of The End are dead. You will lose the game if The Underground ever have equal or less living members than The End .

[Varsoon]

Bright Noa took in a sharp breath--for some reason, a daydream of serving burgers to various strange customers had played out for a moment in his mind, having a rather disorienting effect on him. "Are we going to provide support to Shangri-La or not, Captain?" Mirai's voice pulled the captain of the Argama from his stupor. With a nod, he commanded their cruiser forward, into war's path once again...


It is the year 0087 of the Universal Century. A half-century has passed since Earth began moving its burgeoning population into gigantic orbiting space colonies. A new home for mankind, where people are born and raised. And die. Eight years ago, the cluster of colonies furthest from the Earth, called Side 3, proclaimed itself the Principality of Zeon and launched a war of independence against the Earth Federation. Initial fighting lasted over one month and saw both sides lose half their respective populations. People were horrified by the indescribable atrocities that had been committed in the name of independence. As the sound of battle began to fade away, the Federation and the Republic of Zeon sign an armistice, signifying an end to the brutal war. The new dawn brings with it the promise of peace for all mankind...
Until now.

[Varsoon]

Maid Cafe was killed on Night 2.
They were Bright Noa, aligned with

Those Who Fight For The Future

.

Their full role and hand can be seen here:

Spoiler: Bright

Bright Noa

Captain of White Base, this man shaped many of the heroes of the Universal Century.

"I'm expecting more of the same."

"I don't need a kid to tell me how to do my job!" You have access to the Earth Federation Factional PT: [REDACTED] "Growing up without being hit will never make you a man!" During UC 0087 and onward, you have access to the Anti Earth-Union Group Factional PT: [REDACTED] "White Base, move out!" During the Day, you may target up to 4 players. You will create a new Factional Private Thread with those players. "All Mobile Suits, fall back! We'll start repairs once you return!" You will win the game if all players that are members of The End are dead. You will lose the game if Those Who Fight For the Future ever have equal or less living members than The End .