Open 719: Stack The Deck! (D4)

[Mathdino]

like, i could see math v maria being math's way to tell Maria hes the traitor

obviously not seeing it

but also keep in mind that your chances of finding the traitor by traitorhunting are minimal

same with "trying to find beefster's partner" unless there's some rock solid PoE going on

best bet is just finding anyone who knew beefster was scum

i was the first one to point out that his vote on me was a scumclaim (which it was) but idk if that means anything being that we lynched thor instead

regardless

if anyone has experience in reading maria and she flips scum, happy to (claim if i'm a PR)(fall on the sword if i'm a VT)

[Wisdom]

like, math's setup posts and stuff did not feel like someone with knowledge about what choices scum made and such, which is one of the reasons he felt town to me

but traitor works

[Mathdino]

like, math's setup posts and stuff did not feel like someone with knowledge about what choices scum made and such, which is one of the reasons he felt town to me

but traitor works

do not understand traitorhunting sometimes

when i ran this it was essentially lost by everyone assuming that the nightplay only made sense if a certain someone was the traitor

but no, scum only chose recruit traitor

specifically traitorhunting is just not a historically good idea

(and yes, that's true even if it's not on me)

[Wisdom]

im not traitorhunting, math
im trying to understand how I should feel about you
like, it matters a lot if half the reasons i think youre town are invalid due to traitor

[Mathdino]

brass actually looks a little better for trying to lynch beef over thor

yeah this is largely correct

gonna go see if i can dig up anything on brassherald scumbuddy associative meta hang on

[Judge Joseph Dredd]

Scum obviously were afraid of what the original 2 TPRs might be, so took RC in exchange for a third TPR. We had an IC a BG and we obviously have a vig. I've just realized RC could have been a very good way to finding the traitor rather than recruiting them or waiting for them to signal themselves out, or even shooting them and them not dying. That said, I don't think Beef would have hammered the way he did if he didn't already know Thor wasn't the traitor, so I'm thinking maybe scum also recruited their traitor?

Surprisingly, the two people I don' think are scum with Beefster are brass and Maria. Ithink he scum off the wagon was Ugly and I don't think the post Wisdom quoted means anything. In fact, it could have happened in the scum PT. Like, "Everytime he someone says Ugly Duck I think of TW".. "That'd be great if you said it in the man thread".. "OK. I will.."

[Mathdino]

501: Nothing
520: Daytalk + Rolecop
530: Daytalk + JOAT
539: Recruit + Rolecop + JOAT
548: Nothing
557: Rolecop + JOAT
574: Daytalk + Rolecop (I played this!)(I also am one of few people with access to this mafia PT, which has still not been archived after 4 years)
582: Recruit + Rolecop (I won this!)
594: Recruit + Rolecop + JOAT
622: Recruit + Rolecop + JOAT
644: Nothing
651: Recruit + Rolecop + Bulletproof
663: Rolecop
684: Rolecop + JOAT
711: Recruit (I modded this!)

JJD brings up an excellent point
also i'd point out that 50% of scumteams with rolecops also chose to recruit the traitor
it's essentially the maximum information team

brassherald meta comes back, can confirm he did not interact with beefster like he knew beefster was scum

town: JJD, Nauci, Espeonage

[Wisdom]

Surprisingly, the two people I don' think are scum with Beefster are brass and Maria.

why not Maria?

[Mathdino]

town: JJD, Nauci, Espeonage, brassherald

lol i forgot someone

so i actually think the worst could very well be scum here

[Judge Joseph Dredd]

Surprisingly, the two people I don' think are scum with Beefster are brass and Maria.

why not Maria?

Not in my pool of possibly scum with Beefster. I think she tunneled Beef too hard. You say she didn't make a real push but I see she held her vote on him and din't switch, and she didn't even need to vote him at the time she did.

[Wisdom]

meh
i suppose her vote made the beef wagon a contender

[Mathdino]

here's a spicy vote

VOTE: the worst

seemed to know both me and wisdom were town, didn't comment on beefster much until i started shitting on 206
the worst was resistant to bussing last time i played with scumhim, likely overcompensated

ctrl+F "math" and "beef"

[Mathdino]

brassherald is town for now. Nothing incriminating on him.

This interests me. Does nothing incriminating usually make someone temporarily town?

have some spicy scum-scum interaction

he's actually helping beefster articulate his thoughts better

[Mathdino]

How often does scum just pick nothing or pick only daytalk? I recall someone in the last game was talking about taking the two goon buffs to nullify GC which was interesting. Leaning on better setup specers than me as to whether this would actually work/whether people are likely to come up with it.

Last Stack the Deck Creature/Jay slot would have been a great d1 lynch until that damn claim. IC feels like an exceptionally good roll in this setup.

and this is fucking weird and is his only comment on the setup speccing

worst-scum works very well with brass-town as well, should also clear wisdom-town but don't quote me on that

final partner can be in {Maria, UglyDuck)

[Wisdom]

his beef vote was the first vote on beef, and right after you and me expressed our dislike for beef's vote on you

that doesnt sound like anti-bussing

[Wisdom]

i dont think either of the quotes your provided are telling

[Mathdino]

his beef vote was the first vote on beef, and right after you and me expressed our dislike for beef's vote on you

that doesnt sound like anti-bussing

no that's my point

the last game i played with him when he was scum, he was slightly resistant to bussing

we lynched 2 scum in a row and his reaction was basically "ahhh i'm sorry i should've sheeped you harder math"

i think the pendulum swings back the other way; he's been buddying me most of this game (without locktowning me) and voted beefster when it was clear you and i were about to go after him

[Mathdino]

brassherald is town for now. Nothing incriminating on him.

This interests me. Does nothing incriminating usually make someone temporarily town?

Jesus I missed 206 VOTE: Beefster

What do you think of Wisdom brass and Thor?

Will answer after work
Why those 3 names and not my vote itself

Next 3 people I'm going to think about

That vote isn't as interesting to talk about imo. If you do have some interesting thoughts about Beef share em!

I hadn't processed it properly yet, Esp's entrance to the day kinda distracted me.

Good point about Beef and Ugly. I'll probably move Ugly to a townlean on that basis. Their d1 content was fine just a bit lacking, and.....PoE

brass/Maria is pretty believable I guess. Eyeroll'd @ brass' good morning nakedvote.

all mentions of beef in the worst's ISO

that quote i provided was his only direct interaction with beef

[Wisdom]

i mean the same holds true for most players, as beef was inactive

i dont value lack of interactions much

[Mathdino]

i mean if it's not espe
and it's not duck
and it's not nauci or brass

and if you disagree with me on TW

then we're swiftly approaching a math vs wisdom paranoia/PoE 1v1 here

show me your current gamesolve

[Wisdom]

VOTE: uglyduck

[Mathdino]

I just realized there is an actual player named "UglyDuck". I assumed everyone was referring to tw due to his avatar. xD

ugly is probably not scum because of this

Talk to me

[Wisdom]

also just realized that reads based off beef's iso are useless given the traitor

also jjc's thing is plausible

[Wisdom]

Ithink he scum off the wagon was Ugly and I don't think the post Wisdom quoted means anything. In fact, it could have happened in the scum PT. Like, "Everytime he someone says Ugly Duck I think of TW".. "That'd be great if you said it in the man thread".. "OK. I will.."

this i mean

[Judge Joseph Dredd]

VOTE: UglyDuck

Glad you could see it my way.

Btw, Scum shooting the IC while knowing there's at least one additional PR aside form the IC and BG wreaks of noob scum who are playing it safe. Based on that I say Wisdom certainly didn't make that kill and I doubt Math would have done it either.