Open 719: Stack The Deck! (D4)

[Judge Joseph Dredd]

To my understanding (and Dino can correct me if I'm misunderstanding), Dino thinks the best way to go for scum is to not pick any additional abilities. If they think daychat will help they can pick that and only that, So 50% probability to pick daychat only and 50% to pick nothing is what I'd expect from Mathdino.

[Mathdino]

To my understanding (and Dino can correct me if I'm misunderstanding), Dino thinks the best way to go for scum is to not pick any additional abilities. If they think daychat will help they can pick that and only that, So 50% probability to pick daychat only and 50% to pick nothing is what I'd expect from Mathdino.

meh i wouldn't pick daytalk with beefster

here's a much better clue though

given the opportunity, i've never NOT shot a PR as scum

i'm currently one of the single best PR hunters on the site (to the point where that's basically my primary skill as scum because i'm weaker in dayplay)

role cop would be the one power role i would feel that i'd never need, and would rather just have claimspace so i could breadcrumb and fakeclaim a PR

[Wisdom]

in that scenario picking the rolecop and orchestrating beefster's death would be a super WIFOM move to clear JJD as town

except jjd solidly pushed thor over beef

[Mathdino]

stay tuned for my upcoming article on PR hunting and why people are bad at not spewing their roles

[Wisdom]

To my understanding (and Dino can correct me if I'm misunderstanding), Dino thinks the best way to go for scum is to not pick any additional abilities. If they think daychat will help they can pick that and only that, So 50% probability to pick daychat only and 50% to pick nothing is what I'd expect from Mathdino.

except math-traitor has no say on what scum pick

[Mathdino]

in that scenario picking the rolecop and orchestrating beefster's death would be a super WIFOM move to clear JJD as town

except jjd solidly pushed thor over beef

you're misinterpreting me

i don't mean to say that JJD in that scenario would want to lynch beefster immediately

but that JJD would want to ensure that beefster dies before JJD

beefster claimed scum by lolhammering, and that ensured beefster's death

that said scum in that situation would still prefer a town lynch to beefster lynch

[Judge Joseph Dredd]

JJD btw is someone i would put in a strange Group C box of people that only make sense as groupscum

in that scenario picking the rolecop and orchestrating beefster's death would be a super WIFOM move to clear JJD as town

wouldn't be at all surprised if, in that scenario, JJD also picked mafia JOAT or some shit to further fuck things up

No comment. *Sigh*

[Mathdino]

JJD btw is someone i would put in a strange Group C box of people that only make sense as groupscum

in that scenario picking the rolecop and orchestrating beefster's death would be a super WIFOM move to clear JJD as town

wouldn't be at all surprised if, in that scenario, JJD also picked mafia JOAT or some shit to further fuck things up

No comment. *Sigh*

think of that paranoia as a sign of respect

it would be a crazy plan and if that's actually the cause i would applaud it

[Wisdom]

i dont think jjd shoots the ic either
it was ugly

[Wisdom]

btw math, since you like meta
there's a completed ugly town game, have a look

[Mathdino]

i'm gonna go do a dive on mariaR nightkills

the worst absolutely shoots the IC too though

it's one of the ducks probs

Edit: eyyyyyyy i'm on it

[Judge Joseph Dredd]

@Dino: Are you scum, mate? I'm pretty much weirded out by you 2nd guessing me here.

I also am not happy with us 3 going round and round in circles with everybody else sitting on the sidelines. I want everybody to come say their piece and get interrogated.

[Judge Joseph Dredd]

Btw, did you guys read the competition tiebreaker? I laughed at GiF's gambit. I loved it. Just saying.

[Mathdino]

@Dino: Are you scum, mate? I'm pretty much weirded out by you 2nd guessing me here.

I also am not happy with us 3 going round and round in circles with everybody else sitting on the sidelines. I want everybody to come say their piece and get interrogated.

you were talking about who chooses role cop and i was like yeah sure i agree *nodding*

and then my mind came up with the most hilariously brutal plan that scum-you could come up with (that obviously only works if you're not the traitor) that specifically gets me to clear you as town due to beefster scumclaiming in thread twice

i'm surprised you're not like "wow yes that plan would be amazing if i were scum"

but i still concede that you are out of your likely scumrange and it's still idiotic to lynch anyone that can ONLY be a traitor or that can ONLY be groupscum

[Mathdino]

Btw, did you guys read the competition tiebreaker? I laughed at GiF's gambit. I loved it. Just saying.

yeah i locked sobolev space and nauci as town and then NSG was like "nah space is so scum" and hard disagreed with me about nauci

that's honestly my conftown trump card this game because like i said i only knew nauci was town in the tiebreaker because i had already did basic meta on her in this game (i have receipts and dw i did not talk about ongoing games)

over the course of tiebreakers i found a major major towntell on nauci though
and if this game goes like others, i'm going to be killed/lynched and nauci is gonna get put back into the lynchpool afterward and i'm gonna get super annoyed in the dead thread
so uh
trust me thanks

[brassherald]

So, I was in court the whole morning for a stupid case I'm handling and just sat down to eat lunch.

I am wondering about one thing as I catch up, put food down my gullet, and process information. I see a bunch of stuff about speculation as to whom the traitor is. I've never played with a traitor in the past. How do you differentiate between normal scum and traitor scum in your scum hunting?

[Judge Joseph Dredd]

@Dino: Are you scum, mate? I'm pretty much weirded out by you 2nd guessing me here.

I also am not happy with us 3 going round and round in circles with everybody else sitting on the sidelines. I want everybody to come say their piece and get interrogated.

you were talking about who chooses role cop and i was like yeah sure i agree *nodding*

and then my mind came up with the most hilariously brutal plan that scum-you could come up with (that obviously only works if you're not the traitor) that specifically gets me to clear you as town due to beefster scumclaiming in thread twice

i'm surprised you're not like "wow yes that plan would be amazing if i were scum"

but i still concede that you are out of your likely scumrange and it's still idiotic to lynch anyone that can ONLY be a traitor or that can ONLY be groupscum

Not only am I way out of my scum range, but I am definitely deep into my town game, which is why I am not seeing it your way.

And no, that wouldn't be my plan as scum because I believe in numbers. I do not want to lose one third of my scum team this early into the game, but that's me meta'ing myself so it's a no go.

P-edit: GOOD! Nice of you to reassure me you're town here. Now if I'm to trust your read on Nauci then Ugly Duck is scum 100% of the time. and Espeo is like 67% their third.

[Mathdino]

So, I was in court the whole morning for a stupid case I'm handling and just sat down to eat lunch.

I am wondering about one thing as I catch up, put food down my gullet, and process information. I see a bunch of stuff about speculation as to whom the traitor is. I've never played with a traitor in the past. How do you differentiate between normal scum and traitor scum in your scum hunting?

Ehhhh. In this setup, the simple answer is "you don't" because we're not totally sure there is an unrecruited traitor.

Original scum: They knew Beefster was scum, Beefster knew they were scum. They helped decide the initial "stack" and they helped decide who to kill last night.

Unrecruited traitor: They knew Beefster was scum, Beefster did NOT know they were scum (so Beefster might've treated them like town). They did not help decide the "stack" and they did not perform the nightkill.
*Occasionally traitors will try to signal to their team that they're the traitor by implying they know who the scumteam is.

Recruited traitor: They knew Beefster was scum, Beefster knew they were scum. They did NOT help decide the initial "stack" and but they DID help decide who to kill last night.

basically traitor associatives only work one way
that said traitors usually play as they would as groupscum anyway
this hunting is mainly for associatives and setup spec

[Wisdom]

maria more likely than esp but sure

[Mathdino]

And no, that wouldn't be my plan as scum because I believe in numbers. I do not want to lose one third of my scum team this early into the game, but that's me meta'ing myself so it's a no go.

P-edit: GOOD! Nice of you to reassure me you're town here. Now if I'm to trust your read on Nauci then Ugly Duck is scum 100% of the time. and Espeo is like 67% their third.

way to kill my dreams
sometimes i just wanna see crazy plans like that actually happen
so i can beat them

but yeah that's fair

you haven't done much of anything to show why TW and maria are town though

i need to go through them before i dig into espeonage/wisdom

[brassherald]

I'm still feeling the worst as scum. No real reasoning in any of his posts, and sure, he posted a read list but I like the read lists without reasoning slightly less than I like just plain old read lists, it's super easy to organize names into a list and rank them when you don't say why.

I don't have enough time right now to go into anything else, I have a deadline tomorrow and need to finish the papers. Good news, though, Mets are off tonight so I'll answer any questions you may have and perhaps update my brain thoughts a bit tonight.

[Wisdom]

brass your scumhunting is really shallow
I rarely explain my reads and it doesn't make me scum
its not as black and white as that

[Judge Joseph Dredd]

@Math: I'm really not scum hunting the traditional way, but rather using the team hunting scheme, and the major drawback of it is I'm not keeping track of I excluded X from being scum with Y. I should do that in the future though.

[brassherald]

Okay, so here's my issue with the scum!Math in a nutshell as I really am just procrastinating right now. The whole IOIA thing that Beef said, does that read like scum attacking scum? I don't think so. {post]206[/post] for reference

If that's the case, Math only works as a Mafia Traitor and he has far more posts than Beef, which I just do not have time to dive into and analyze right now.

[Mathdino]

@Brass: everyone knows i'm not groupscum. the question at hand is basically whether i'm specifically a mafia traitor

i just

what i can't fucking wrap my head around

is that beefster knows making a shit vote like that on me is basically suicide. i caught him as scum literally the last time he did it

so beefster was clearly the fall guy for the team if there was one