Open 719: Stack The Deck! (D4)

[the worst]

Fuck I choked on my drink

[brassherald]

that's why ya gotta review all the statements before objecting, phoenix wright

TMW a video game character does my own job more effectively.

[the worst]

Are you a law brass?

[brassherald]

Are you a law brass?

I assume you mean lawyer, so yes.

[the worst]

I derped

Man that's neat

[Judge Joseph Dredd]

:/

I'm goon cop. JJD isn't a goon.

*Sigh* That makes sense with 44.

UNVOTE:

It did occur to me initially, but then I thought you were the vig, and then the tunnel on Math threw me off both claims (or rather what I thought were claims).

And it means Mafia definitely picked 2 (or 3) additional abilities. We may still have a RB/Tracker, but if we do then your roles is indeed useless, and you're effectively a VT.

[Mathdino]

Oh my God am I not getting my lynch today
Please catch up jjd and give me one thing townish about TW besides the claim

[Judge Joseph Dredd]

VOTE: UglyDuck

Welcome back

I'm having a really hard time taking that claim even half seriously

Why JJD

And I'm having hard tome seeing how tw's claim nakes you switch your vote from Espeonage to UglyDuck!

[Wisdom]

jjd pls

[Judge Joseph Dredd]

GC is a fucking lame investigative and imo JJD Math or you were optimal checks.

JJD:
> low likelihood NK target
> probtown
> not likely to be a scum pr

i.e. if he's scum I'd expect him to flip goon

I'll be copping Math tonight if both of us survive the day.

Where would you expect me to cop to make my claim "serious"? I get that I've dropped a few rungs in your readlist but that doesn't mean you can get away with not taking me seriously Nauci.

That doesn't make any sense, tbh. Beef flipped Role Cop, and it's a fact he was always going to be a suspect and/or an early flip anyway, so if I was Scum with him I would have certainly been a PR.

p-edit: WAIT FOR ME TO CATCH UP!

[Judge Joseph Dredd]

Scum picked just a rolecop. Vig kill means they know the entire town composition.

?? You mean they picked only one additional ability and we have no additional PRs? (Still trying to ignite my brain to work properly, so bear with me please)

[Mathdino]

I'm fairly sure no one understanding the rules has spewed Nauci, jjd, and wisdom as all town

[Judge Joseph Dredd]

No chance of rolecop+daytalk.

Why?

In fact, I'd need a theoretical run down of all possibilities and whey they don't make sense. In my world, daychat+BP+RC makes sense because GC becomes useless, vig becomes 66% useless, RB becomes 33% useless and Tracker becomes 33% useless.

This is basically how A50 approached that game you were modding, and if you think the worst is scum and used his knowledge from that game then it doesn't make sense for him to pick only 1 modification, and it becomes far more risky to claim here.

On the other hand, tw didn't really have much room left to hide being @L-1 with intent stated.

[Mathdino]

Tell you what. Let's sort out if it is worst or math tomorrow and lynch the definite scum in Maria today.

How about worstGoon and EspeonageTraitor?

If TW is town, scum confirmed to be in {Maria, Espeonage, Duck} and I'm not totally sure how to solve that.

Actually Maria/Espe doesn't make sense so TW town makes Duck confscum still.

Vig needs to shoot between Espe/Duck tonight IMO.

[Mathdino]

No chance of rolecop+daytalk.

Why?

In fact, I'd need a theoretical run down of all possibilities and whey they don't make sense. In my world, daychat+BP+RC makes sense because GC becomes useless, vig becomes 66% useless, RB becomes 33% useless and Tracker becomes 33% useless.

This is basically how A50 approached that game you were modding, and if you think the worst is scum and used his knowledge from that game then it doesn't make sense for him to pick only 1 modification, and it becomes far more risky to claim here.

On the other hand, tw didn't really have much room left to hide being @L-1 with intent stated.

Will explain further.

1. Rolecop+Daytalk doesn't make sense primarily because I think scum would've played better had they had daytalk, and not confscummed the fuck out of their rolecop. A different scum lolhammers in that situation (if there was even scum offwagon).
Plus, daytalk basically does the PR hunting anyway.

2. Taking 3 mods puts you up against 5 TPRs. That's utterly ridiculous and leaves 0 claimspace.

3. the worst used his knowledge from JaydragonKing's play in that game, not A50.

[brassherald]

Would a clear from a Goon Cop mean the person investigated cannot be traitor, by the way? I'm not thinking JJD is traitor, but I'm not sure if 863 is based on pure mechanics.

[Mathdino]

no it's based on JJD being the 3rd person to confirmably townslip

JJD seems to think that he and beefster would be capable of selecting who gets which modification

tfw i might be the only townie who actually knows this on account of having modded this setup

[Judge Joseph Dredd]

either that or hes trying to out pr(s) before he dies

If I was scum and trying to out the PRs I'd be claiming VIG! Whether they pick one modifier (know there's no other PT than the vig now), 2 modifications or even 3 modifications, the only one that both counts and they know exists is the vig. Tracker maybe next on the list of priorities if they did pick 2 or 3. GC either doesn't exist, or is harmless.

[Wisdom]

claiming vig is a scumclaim to the vig though and means certain death tonight

[brassherald]

I don't think a vig really even bothers CCing a vig claim. I certainly would not.

[Mathdino]

Tracker townclears people too hard, and if he accidentally claims the wrong result he could get ccd
Roleblocker, same deal. FakeClaim a roleblock on a tpr and you're fucked

Goon cop is the ONLY nonconfirmable role

Sorry man but all the probabilities point to a scum narrative

[Mathdino]

And yeah vig is a death sentence, doing that would be idiotic

TW wanted a get out of jail free claim

Worst case scenario he outs a real GC if there even is one

[Judge Joseph Dredd]

THAT SAID if he's traitor, then he just scumslipped knowing the worst is a goon

Does the traitor know what modifications their pals picked though?

[Mathdino]

it doesn't matter if he knows or not

he thought that the worst was claiming goon when really he was claiming goon cop

this indicates that he was completely unaware of the power roles/modifications in the first place

[Wisdom]

or that he was playing dumb