NEWBIE 1858: MEDICAL MAFIA (fin)

[Draynth]

I mean your case on him is equally as unconvincing, its just POE as you said yourself. Hard to want to lynch either of you based on the cases you're both presenting.

Finishing the ISO stuff when I get home tonight so hope fully that'll help me actually make my mind up.

[Shattiel]

I mean your case on him is equally as unconvincing, its just POE as you said yourself. Hard to want to lynch either of you based on the cases you're both presenting.

Finishing the ISO stuff when I get home tonight so hope fully that'll help me actually make my mind up.

finish the iso on NM then come talk to me again.
If you could actually find something from his iso when he's just like a broken record

[Draynth]

I mean your case on him is equally as unconvincing, its just POE as you said yourself. Hard to want to lynch either of you based on the cases you're both presenting.

Finishing the ISO stuff when I get home tonight so hope fully that'll help me actually make my mind up.

finish the iso on NM then come talk to me again.
If you could actually find something from his iso when he's just like a broken record

Besides him refusing to engage a whole lot why is he scum?

point of elimination
I already isoed everyone and even some interactions with wheme and 2create but nothing really pings me

Pick one

[Shattiel]

?? It's both? I don't get you

[Shattiel]

I told you to iso NM "if you could actually find something" better case than POE.
As I said there's nothing much in his iso so yeah nothing really pings me with his interaction with wheme or 2c or more like there's nothing there except him saying I'm scum

[Not_Mafia]

But you are scum

[Not_Mafia]

Like, that argument might be semi-convincing if you'd flipped town, but you haven't... and you won't, sooooooo

[Draynth]

I told you to iso NM "if you could actually find something" better case than POE.
As I said there's nothing much in his iso so yeah nothing really pings me with his interaction with wheme or 2c or more like there's nothing there except him saying I'm scum

I asked you why he's scum, you said POE and that nothing pinged you.
You then said it's because he keeps calling you scum.
Why wouldn't you just say that when I directly asked you why you think he's scum.

Do you get why 'POE' isn't exactly very compelling for town to side with you.

[Draynth]

Kek just done some quick iso NM looks the most bad with Wheme flipping scum

Why did NM look the worst with Wheme flipping scum?

[Shattiel]

I told you to iso NM "if you could actually find something" better case than POE.
As I said there's nothing much in his iso so yeah nothing really pings me with his interaction with wheme or 2c or more like there's nothing there except him saying I'm scum

I asked you why he's scum, you said POE and that nothing pinged you.
You then said it's because he keeps calling you scum.
Why wouldn't you just say that when I directly asked you why you think he's scum.

Do you get why 'POE' isn't exactly very compelling for town to side with you.

I don't think I called him scum because he keeps calling me scum?
For all I care he could just be a total ass trolling and that's not alignment indicative.

Either ways do you really think "hes because he keeps calling me scum" a better case than POE?

[Shattiel]

Kek just done some quick iso NM looks the most bad with Wheme flipping scum

Why did NM look the worst with Wheme flipping scum?

that's one of the reason why the poe comes from.
You can iso me I quoted some stuffs about people's interaction with the flip..

[schadd_]

have to iso dray at zome point

and obv 2c/wheme but like 2c is a bunch of walls and wheme just uh.... made it clear that.... espeonage and ejji are town

[Draynth]

@Shatt
Don't see it, mind quoting?
Also if you don't have any actual reasons as to why NM is scum, why are Rei, schadd and myself town?

[Shattiel]

Spoiler:

@draynth I tend to post text walls. I'll try to lay it off to the best of my ability but it's not really my problem if you refuse to read them tbh. Last game I played here the average post D1 was probably longer than that and no one complained.

yeah draynth should be town

VOTE: not_mafia

Suspect name is suspect. You're either mafia, or you're confusing town by making an unprompted alignment claim. Neither is good.
You're going to have to explain

how you dare

to have a funny username, or land yourself a place at the top of my scumlist.

Okay, so we've heard nothing yet of ChickenFritters.
We've also heard nothing of:
- Not_Mafia since their first post
been inactive.

this is pretty much all of 2creat posts about notmafia

4) people normally scum read me all the time even when I am Town so probably badly :c

oh hey!

What do you mean by this? Are you saying you're scumreading soul already? If not, I have no idea what you could mean. You're being a bit ambiguous here.
If you are saying that soul is being scummy however, allow me to disagree. Let's actually pull up the thing you quoted earlier before you put the vote on:

Like your random voting style c: I'm bad at starting up so I'm gonna just wait until something comes up.

I can understand why that's not great play, but I can't understand why you would find such a thing scummy. Surely scum wouldn't say such a thing? It attracts the wrong kind of attention. Sure, lurking is a valid scum strategy.

Saying

you're going to lurk is not, in my opinion. Especially so early on, when you could easily just keep under the radar for a little bit before jumping in when some discussion has already taken place.
I would not call this a towntell at all, but it's also not a scumtell.

I suggest we get meaningful discussion underway ASAP so that no one can hide behind that excuse any longer.

*looks at this post*

Oh hey. Let's keep it going, yeah?

Anyway, rudimentary reads list incoming.
There hasn't been enough discussion to really rank people against each other, but I'll roughly put people in groups.

Reads list.

Town: Ejji
Null: Soul, Schadd, Espeonage
Scum: Rei.

My reason for putting Ejji in town, is that he has been the driving factor behind all discussion so far. There's been very little, so it's not a reliable read for sure, but this is all I have to go on right now.

My reason for putting Rei in scum is posting a complete non-answer to Ejji's question 4. Seriously, it doesn't get any more non-answer than that.
Rei contributes?
Rei tries her best to be good, but might not be very good??
Rei is friendly, but can also be unfriendly if paranoid???
This is a lot of words, but it tells us literally nothing.

I don't consider any other reads I've gathered so far to be meaningful enough to put anyone else in either town or scum.
I've also obviously excluded anyone who's been inactive.

Okay that reply to schad's post could either be bad distancing or just scum overreacting. I'd like to think the former right now at least until notmafia's flip.

Also Rei just couldn't be scum here

If shat is town I would probably go for either scchad or not maf since dray is looking a bit townier, but tbh i have no lead atm
I still need to do some iso


@shattiel it makes no sense whasoever why you townread scchad so much
yes i get he had some logical and townie posts, but mafia can seem townie as well
you just haven't provided any other reason beside him being townie to trust him blindly like this
it makes me feel like you want to seem townie by not susing someone that we may suspect, aka "If i was mafia i would push for scchad but i town read him coz I'm a townie and I don't care about being mislynched!"

@dray I meant I would be killed at night if shat is a mislynch today
also espeo said "if shat flips town you can waste a mislynch on not maf"
but we couldnt really afford a mislynch next phase

kek you've already decided that I'd get mislynched today?

Nah I've got lots of confidence with my tone reads.
If schadd is scum then damn I've gotta give it to him by passing through it.
Also It's not the logical thoughts it's the way he thinks I just can't imagine scum thinking that way when what should be filled in scum mind is how to look towny.

[Shattiel]

@Shatt
Don't see it, mind quoting?
Also if you don't have any actual reasons as to why NM is scum, why are Rei, schadd and myself town?

are you actually done isoing people?
If not then just iso NM it wouldn't even take a minute

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Rei, schadd_, Draynth

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Day 3

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Rei has been prodded.

[Shattiel]

Guys guys lynch NM if you don't want the NM lynch then present me a better case.

[Rei]

Shattiel

This forced post is scummy
VOTE: 2Create

His first post and vote in the game, I can definitely see this as distancing but it's not really a strong proof.

You could just rephrase "overanalyzing" to "nitpicking" or being overprotective.

He doesn't really need to overanalyze two words

you could even pour some wine on his reasons why soul's posting is nai but if he did it to push the game forward I get it.

This was his reply to ejji when ejji said 2crea was overanalyzing? I don't really understand why this post was made, what difference does it make if he says its overanalyzing not nitpicking. Also what did you mean by saying 2create "didn't need to overanalyze 2 words".

you just townread both of them earlier..

when ejji said me and 2crea cant be a team
seems strange since ejji might've town read us, but he didnt actually know if we're good or not, there's always a possibility of him being wrong

ejji's been ticking my scum radar.
"overreaction" "kinda defensive" "I don't really think this should be scumread... " -

how is these words you describe his posts shouldn't be a scumread?

And you said "your opinion is stupid" - isn't this considered a deflection?

The way I see it you just threw some shade at rei while you townread him.

VOTE: ejjinami

for the bolded, why did you consider it a scumread?
also i must be very dense if i didn't notice the shade ejji threw at me

Caught up now..
Draynth is probably town
Rei could go either way
Not sure about soul could be faking his town meta
Not_Mafia isnt doing anything so he's probably town

his initial reads
not sure why he finds draynth town at that point in the game
if you were confused about why ejji didnt scumread me, then why didnt you scumread me
you just seem neutral about me which is similar to ejji at that point, when you called him out for it?

I find your actions scummy than the others which I already said in my previous posts what else could it be? It's not just the wording it's your actions you're being passive.
Probably gonna keep my vote on you til you do something productive.

everyone was being passive though, barely anyone even posted anything productive
why was it ejji that seemed specifically passive

Anyway this game turned to just a 1v1 of me and you.

VOTE: Not_Mafia
Fite me

why did you vote not maf when at that point you had said that he's probably town?

I'll lock schadd town I'm probably never gonna vote for him

again, feels like fake town reading
the post you quoted schadd on saying you agreed was when he said someone(?) had a forced intro like they just felt they should say something here, and that ejji has townie emotives
yes i get how that makes him townie but its not that townie to make him lock town for you, especially only at the start of d1

soul
Rei
Draynth
Not_Mafia
Espeonage

As of right now I'm pretty sure 1 scum is here and around 70% sure two scums are here. It's still pretty early but let's see.

no mention of 2crea/wheme
also like i said, you townread both notmaf and dray so why add them

not exacly nai I'm just not sure how to approach her posts. It could come from mafia/town from my pov because most of her posts are just a counter attack to 2creats post.

2cre isn't a solid town read. That long post he made in reply to rei sounds genuine.

townread on 2crea but its "not solid"

btw these names I listed are nulls.
I just pretty much town hunted and poed to get these names because there aren't really much posts to read them

about the previous list, if they're poed then should dray and notmaf not be there
you townread 2crea but for some reason you added dray and notmaf to the list but not 2create, why? Especially since all 3 were "not that strong" townreads to you

Let's start a wagon
VOTE: Espeon

voted espeon after starting to sus him

I already quoted those stuffs I find scummy earlier though when I suspected you.
Like that buddying with rei the preflip association draynth brought up earlier

the "buddying up with rei" isnt a reason btw
its just a scenario to imagine if either of us flip scum, but i find it very strange how you took that as a reason to sus ejji when nothing was confirmed



These are the things I noticed while isoing, schadd is up next.

[Rei]

barely any interactions with 2create in general, some evils like to interact a lot with their partners while others avoid them
the only mention of 2crea he did was saying he town read him "but not that strong"
makes me wonder since 2crea was one of the more active players at the start, so why didnt you try interacting with him more

[schadd_]

i will probably be able to do the thing i said i was gonna do tomorrow

[Shattiel]

Shattiel

This forced post is scummy
VOTE: 2Create

His first post and vote in the game, I can definitely see this as distancing but it's not really a strong proof.

You could just rephrase "overanalyzing" to "nitpicking" or being overprotective.

He doesn't really need to overanalyze two words

you could even pour some wine on his reasons why soul's posting is nai but if he did it to push the game forward I get it.

This was his reply to ejji when ejji said 2crea was overanalyzing? I don't really understand why this post was made, what difference does it make if he says its overanalyzing not nitpicking. Also what did you mean by saying 2create "didn't need to overanalyze 2 words".

you just townread both of them earlier..

when ejji said me and 2crea cant be a team
seems strange since ejji might've town read us, but he didnt actually know if we're good or not, there's always a possibility of him being wrong

ejji's been ticking my scum radar.
"overreaction" "kinda defensive" "I don't really think this should be scumread... " -

how is these words you describe his posts shouldn't be a scumread?

And you said "your opinion is stupid" - isn't this considered a deflection?

The way I see it you just threw some shade at rei while you townread him.

VOTE: ejjinami

for the bolded, why did you consider it a scumread?
also i must be very dense if i didn't notice the shade ejji threw at me

Caught up now..
Draynth is probably town
Rei could go either way
Not sure about soul could be faking his town meta
Not_Mafia isnt doing anything so he's probably town

his initial reads
not sure why he finds draynth town at that point in the game
if you were confused about why ejji didnt scumread me, then why didnt you scumread me
you just seem neutral about me which is similar to ejji at that point, when you called him out for it?

I find your actions scummy than the others which I already said in my previous posts what else could it be? It's not just the wording it's your actions you're being passive.
Probably gonna keep my vote on you til you do something productive.

everyone was being passive though, barely anyone even posted anything productive
why was it ejji that seemed specifically passive

Anyway this game turned to just a 1v1 of me and you.

VOTE: Not_Mafia
Fite me

why did you vote not maf when at that point you had said that he's probably town?

I'll lock schadd town I'm probably never gonna vote for him

again, feels like fake town reading
the post you quoted schadd on saying you agreed was when he said someone(?) had a forced intro like they just felt they should say something here, and that ejji has townie emotives
yes i get how that makes him townie but its not that townie to make him lock town for you, especially only at the start of d1

soul
Rei
Draynth
Not_Mafia
Espeonage

As of right now I'm pretty sure 1 scum is here and around 70% sure two scums are here. It's still pretty early but let's see.

no mention of 2crea/wheme
also like i said, you townread both notmaf and dray so why add them

not exacly nai I'm just not sure how to approach her posts. It could come from mafia/town from my pov because most of her posts are just a counter attack to 2creats post.

2cre isn't a solid town read. That long post he made in reply to rei sounds genuine.

townread on 2crea but its "not solid"

btw these names I listed are nulls.
I just pretty much town hunted and poed to get these names because there aren't really much posts to read them

about the previous list, if they're poed then should dray and notmaf not be there
you townread 2crea but for some reason you added dray and notmaf to the list but not 2create, why? Especially since all 3 were "not that strong" townreads to you

Let's start a wagon
VOTE: Espeon

voted espeon after starting to sus him

I already quoted those stuffs I find scummy earlier though when I suspected you.
Like that buddying with rei the preflip association draynth brought up earlier

the "buddying up with rei" isnt a reason btw
its just a scenario to imagine if either of us flip scum, but i find it very strange how you took that as a reason to sus ejji when nothing was confirmed



These are the things I noticed while isoing, schadd is up next.

well shit these are alot of questions and some of it ate things I've already answered.
I'll answer it in order
1. The purpose of that post is that ejji is giving 2create a townread for "overanalyzing" which shouldnt really happen because what 2c overanalyzed is two words which shouldn't really need to be overanalyzed..
Overanalyzing two words comes off as forced.
2. It's weird to focus on your townreads when you don't have any reads at other people at that time.
3. "Overreaction" "kinda defensive" do you really think these are the words you would throw at someone you don't scumread?
4. Not sure why I townread draynth at that time either.
It's probably not strong enough seeing how I put you at poe.
Refer to number 3 Ejji just throw some scummy words at you "overreaction" "defensive" it's not that I scumread you it's that I find it weird how ejji doesn't scumread you after throwing those words at you.
Iso me and literally the post above it I voted ejji...
I just didn't put him there in that list cos I already said it.
5. Well first off ejji is online and posting alot.
6. I already said that I wasn't actually sure about it. That was just something I said on the spot. I don't actually have a god meta who can read someone based off activity.
7. Also I already told you about this.. it's called "tone reads" and that's something I'm very confident about.
8. Refer to number 4.
I had a changed of opinion regarding ejji it's mostly because of schadd who also noticed the things I've noticed I'd probably just dismissed it as me being paranoid if he hadn't pointed it out.
9. I already explained the 'not solid' part earlier.
10. Again draynth and nm isn't a great townread and regarding 2c he got me that ate post against you.
11. Welp he just pushed for the most bad case in the game and that's against a conf town fmpov.
12. "Buddying up with rei" you could just word it as "pocketing".. and scum should only be the one who pockets.

Done I hope you'll know what quotes I'm talking about too lazy to format it.

[Shattiel]

barely any interactions with 2create in general, some evils like to interact a lot with their partners while others avoid them
the only mention of 2crea he did was saying he town read him "but not that strong"
makes me wonder since 2crea was one of the more active players at the start, so why didnt you try interacting with him more

welp i was pretty much all over ejji at the start of the game it's not that I ignored 2c and was just got tunnel minded.

Also rei vs 2c already happened at that time. No need to keep him busy since he already is.

[Not_Mafia]

It's Shatt just lynch Shatt ZZZZZZZZzzzzzz

[Draynth]

For the sake of my Sanity can you please explain why Shatt is so obvscum to you NM, I'm not disagreeing with you or saying he's definitely town or anything, I just want to know what makes you so certain.

I've asked 3/4 times at this point

[Draynth]

@Shatt
Don't see it, mind quoting?
Also if you don't have any actual reasons as to why NM is scum, why are Rei, schadd and myself town?

are you actually done isoing people?
If not then just iso NM it wouldn't even take a minute

I meant I don't see where you talked about people's interaction with the flip, you just quoted places where NM / 2create mentioned each other and didn't say anything about it