Newbie 1859 (Game Over)

[pinturicchio]

I don't think scioness is scum:

pin/ofrzh ----> I don't know why you're ruling this one out.
pin/ruru ---> probably not super likely given his ruru vote. Not enough for me to rule it out though.
ofrzh/ruru

Like none of these seem implausible enough for me to rule out.

If I absolutely must include scioness:

scioness/pin
scioness/ofrz

scioness/ruru ----> I don't think scioness starts a push on her partner just before deadline at the end of the day1 when she wasn't going to be around.

Ok here it is. Bolded is my point of inflection. Out of all the combinations skitter could've given her thoughts, she chose Scioness/ruru, saying that she doesn't think that's a possibility. Discarding the best alternative for scum!her just doesn't add up. The only scum motivation I see doing this would be if she's scum with Scioness and she tries to push a lynch on ruru today.

I'll have to reread skitter's ISO (again ) and see how it looks like from town!skitter pov

UNVOTE: Skitter

[Scioness Sajj]

how can you even compare me bragging about repeating myself but still answering questions to yourself deliberately refusing to explain skitter your read on ruru when she asked multiple times but answering that question when NSG asked

i'm not surprised at all she got annoyed.

[Scioness Sajj]

pintu could you do that exercise NSG asked about?

[Scioness Sajj]

How was 1686 the towniest thing ruru has posted all game?

it's a little thing but pinged me super hard as newb town

[Scioness Sajj]

I also may or may not be amused by the idea that nsg is playing losing strategy considering my idea of her play from newbie 1851

[pinturicchio]

Thought experiment, skitter is town, so is oxy and so is ruru. Who's scum?

You mean this? From her PoV, it would be me, you or ofrhz right? I think that an ofrhz/pin makes much more sense than a Scioness/pin pairing since we both tried to start a wagon on ruru at the end of D1 so it could be a reason to scumread us, so if ruru is town, that would be fair reason to think we are the scumteam. I mean, it's the same reason I basically assumed that skitter and ruru are the scumteam. Problem is, from my PoV, it would be even easier: if skitter, Oxy and ruru are town, and I think NSG is town, then the scumteam is ofrhz and Scioness, and this even match with Dino's read on D1.

But I don't want to do any experiments before reading skitter's ISO, because if she's town, it fucks up all of my reads (for example, you would become a strong townread and I've been scumleaning/reading you almost all the game... Imagine how hard is to reset after almos 70 pages)

[Scioness Sajj]

alright sure thanks

[Oxy]

how can you even compare me bragging about repeating myself but still answering questions to yourself deliberately refusing to explain skitter your read on ruru when she asked multiple times but answering that question when NSG asked

i'm not surprised at all she got annoyed.

no... I'm talking about what you just did being the same as when I didn't want to repeat my read to you waay back at the beginning of D1

[Scioness Sajj]

you told me i misunderstood you, i didn't ask you to repeat yourself i asked you to explain what I misunderstood you have also told me you did't care if i understand your townreads

nothing alike but whatever

[Scioness Sajj]

If Ofrhz is scum, then Oxy almost certainly is. That was a pretty blatant post connecting them at the hip.

So you mean that this part references 240?

this and the someone pointed it out part from the post below yes.

I suppose it could be an intentional fake out... but that would require a tremendous level of self awareness to realize how he would react if he was paired with Oxy and someone pointed it out and then actually react exactly that way and hit all the right notes.

What does this part mean?

I think Drixx believed that reaction from ofrhz to pintu post was a knee-jerk reaction, caught red handed kind of thing. The self awareness part refers to ofrhz faking the reaction on purpose and hence making a connection between him and oxy on purpose.

He was referring to the last quote/answer from 245 and 247. The why not ruru reaction.



my last properly working mouse just stopped properly working so this is probably last time I answer something with fixed quotes, rip

[Scioness Sajj]

Also, there's a

pretty decent chance that there is scum between you two (sajj and ofrhz), so

if you are town, it would be a very pro town move to continue 1v1'ing

for a little while longer.

You're both either fos'ing or scum reading one another, and

this would be a great time to really work on a case.

This is what skitter talked about. By the time this has been posted I have been alredy talking with ofrhz and clearing things.

1st bolded part is where oxy is pitting me and ofrhz against each other
becasue if we are town we should prove it to oxy by fighting the other person amirite (and it makes no sense from town's pov btw but about that another time)

2nd bolded part is where he asks us to create cases and cases mean wallposting as we have learned already.

with that in mind go reread skitter posts and also oxy's answers, she should make a lot more sense

I think that's what she was referring to in her posts but if this is not what she means, it is still what I mean.

[Scioness Sajj]

also, oxy's alignment aside, this quote is just simply manipulation and something like that is not pro-town

or even pro-having-good-thread-atmosphere

[ofrhz]

How was 1686 the towniest thing ruru has posted all game?

it's a little thing but pinged me super hard as newb town

Ruru has been posting like this all game, so I’m surprised this pinged you so hard.

[Assemblerotws]

Vote Count 2.09

skitter30 [1]:

Oxy

ruru [1]:

Scioness Sajj

Oxy [1]:

skitter30

Scioness Sajj [1]:

ruru

Not Voting [3]:

northsidegal, ofrhz, pinturicchio

With

7

alive, it takes

4

to lynch.

Day ends in (expired on 2018-04-21 13:00:00) on

April 21, 2018

.

[skitter30]

I don't get why I'm being townread now.

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I can't really imagine a scenario where I'd be voting pin today; my townread on him has gone up rather significantly with his past few posts. Specifically from 1700. I think pin's method of forming reads is incredibly backwards and conf-biased-y. IE he picks a conclusion, and sticks with that conclusion until he sees something to challenge it, and if it isn't challenged he views his POV as proven. (Like, this isn't a how proofs work, like at all, but whatever). Although it's incredibly backwards, he's being internally consistent and all of his reads *make sense from the reads-making-method that he's following*, even though that process is inherently flawed imo.

Like his reason for unvoting me is just a bizarre thing to scum to fake (ie to completely upend his reads cuz I don't think that a particular scumpair is likely, as that's indicative to him of me not pushing the mislynch that he views as obvious from scum!me's POV) but makes sense from town!him who actually believes what he's saying. Like it logically follows from what he's saying before and is internally consistent with how he forms reads. I think this sort of thought-process is extremely hard to fake.
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D2 ofrhz seems different to D1 ofrhz

Idk why tho

I agree with this a lot.

also, oxy's alignment aside, this quote is just simply manipulation and something like that is not pro-town

or even pro-having-good-thread-atmosphere

Yes, this is exactly my point.

He's exacerbating a conflict between the two of you *that was already being discussed*, and I strongly believe that another 1v1 is anti-having-good-thread-atmosphere, so I think that promoting a 1v1 is scummy.

[ofrhz]

I don't think scioness is scum:

pin/ofrzh ----> I don't know why you're ruling this one out.
pin/ruru ---> probably not super likely given his ruru vote. Not enough for me to rule it out though.
ofrzh/ruru

Like none of these seem implausible enough for me to rule out.

If I absolutely must include scioness:

scioness/pin
scioness/ofrz

scioness/ruru ----> I don't think scioness starts a push on her partner just before deadline at the end of the day1 when she wasn't going to be around.

Ok here it is. Bolded is my point of inflection. Out of all the combinations skitter could've given her thoughts, she chose Scioness/ruru, saying that she doesn't think that's a possibility. Discarding the best alternative for scum!her just doesn't add up. The only scum motivation I see doing this would be if she's scum with Scioness and she tries to push a lynch on ruru today.

I'll have to reread skitter's ISO (again ) and see how it looks like from town!skitter pov

UNVOTE: Skitter

She’s been saying this pairing is unlikely for a long time, so I don’t think this disproves scum skitter. In fact, because she’s been saying this pair is unlikely for so long, she has to stick with it as scum or else it would look suspicious

[ofrhz]

^ ebwop: if you think skitter is scum based on your reasoning, it doesn’t make sense to stop scumreading skitter just bc skitter says Scioness/ruru is unlikely.

[ofrhz]

@ruru - in your post 1669, how do the categories work? is "plausible" more or less likely than "somewhat less likely?"

[skitter30]

VOTE: ofrhz

Cuz I don't think my push on oxy is going anywhere and I recognize that I'm beating a dead horse atm.

I think I townread everyone else more.

[ruru]

Hmm, skitter's vote is weird to me and it made me realize something else that's weird to me about the last few pages:

??????????????

Why is 1593 "??????????????" to you and not 1550?

[ruru]

Ruru has been posting like this all game, so I’m surprised this pinged you so hard.

Also this

[ruru]

Okay time to try to make sense of this Drixx thing wish me luck

[Scioness Sajj]

Hmm, skitter's vote is weird to me and it made me realize something else that's weird to me about the last few pages:

??????????????

Why is 1593 "??????????????" to you and not 1550?

do you even read the game or you are to busy trying to find ways to shade me?
serious question

[Scioness Sajj]

Ruru has been posting like this all game, so I’m surprised this pinged you so hard.

Also this

yeah, I also disagree with ofrh that you have been playing like that the whole game

[Scioness Sajj]

I don't get why I'm being townread now.

do you have any conclusions?