Newbie 1859 (Game Over)

[Scioness Sajj]

VOTE: ofrhz
i'm interested in this wagon

ofrhz why do you think you seem different to me d2?

[Oxy]

Welcome back! I hope everyone got some good rest away from this game. I know I did.

Did some thinking about Ofrhz + Pin. It's not a thing

At the time of those votes,

The two wagons being seriously considered were Skitter and Drixx

I was strongly town reading ofrhz, Pin was at least town leaning Ofrhz (I'm pretty sure? doesn't really matter), and skitter was strongly town reading ofrhz. Basically, Ofrhz was never the D1 lynch.

NSG was town reading Pin, Mathdino was sheeping that read on Pin, and I was pretty clear that I wasn't looking to lynch Pin D1. Pin also was at no risk of being lynched D1.

So what would the motivation be to disrupt the tvt wagons in favor of some other t?

Purely to try to force a claim out of ruru? Which would mean that both of them would have had to miss that ruru was going to be afk?

This just isn't a thing.

So, then, my pov is still
town:ruru, nsg, oxy
not town: pin, ofrhz, skitter, sajj.

Since Pin+Ofrhz is not a thing, there must be at least one scum between skitter and sajj

I want to lynch one of those two today.

[Scioness Sajj]

nice misrep on the ruru claim thing

[Scioness Sajj]

it also gives motivation for ofrhz/pintu scumteam lol

[Scioness Sajj]

so the thing,

2 of pintu / nsg / ofrhz

pintu / nsg - less possible because of the towntell
nsg / ofrhz - have they ever talked to each other?
pintu / ofrhz - also possible, i don't remember them really interacting

I don't really think this works for me as intendend

[Scioness Sajj]

So, then, my pov is still
town:ruru, nsg, oxy
not town: pin, ofrhz, skitter, sajj.

what makes you so sure nsg is town?

[ruru]

If Ofrhz is scum, then Oxy almost certainly is. That was a pretty blatant post connecting them at the hip.

So you mean that this part references 240?

this and the someone pointed it out part from the post below yes.

The way this reads to me is that pin is guilty ("blatant"), therefore ofrhz+Oxy are guilty, which made no sense.

Supposing I understood "blatant" to have different connotations, or I skimmed the Drixx post and didn't notice it said "blatant":

If Ofrhz is scum, then Oxy almost certainly is. That was a pretty

accurate

post connecting them at the hip.

Okay I see how this works

I suppose it could be an intentional fake out... but that would require a tremendous level of self awareness to realize how he would react if he was paired with Oxy and someone pointed it out and then actually react exactly that way and hit all the right notes.

I think Drixx believed that reaction from ofrhz to pintu post was a knee-jerk reaction, caught red handed kind of thing. The self awareness part refers to ofrhz faking the reaction on purpose and hence making a connection between him and oxy on purpose.

He was referring to the last quote/answer from 245 and 247. The why not ruru reaction.

And the why not skitter reaction also I assume

I remember the answer bc she answered in a long response to me, which would explain why ruru (or anyone really) missed it.

The gist was that Sajj, upon rereading Drixx’s post, said it didn’t make as much sense as she thought it did.

Yeah I remember this and I think Oxy linked it a few pages ago too. I was hoping to see more of what SS would say without it being brought up because when I asked her about it this time she chose to just link me 438 rather than 447. Two equally interesting questions I was wondering about were "what's SS's explanation of Drixx's post" and "why did she retract about understanding it and then retract about not understanding it".

Now that I understand her explanation for Drixx's post, 447 no longer reads like she was calling Drixx's post nonsense. So I think she's likely telling the truth here

[ruru]

Ruru has been posting like this all game, so I’m surprised this pinged you so hard.

Also this

yeah, I also disagree with ofrh that you have been playing like that the whole game

For the record I was agreeing with ofrhz

[ruru]

@ruru - in your post 1669, how do the categories work? is "plausible" more or less likely than "somewhat less likely?"

plausible > somewhat less likely > less likely > don't think so

[skitter30]

I think that an ofrhz/pin makes much more sense than a Scioness/pin pairing since we both tried to start a wagon on ruru at the end of D1 so it could be a reason to scumread us, so if ruru is town, that would be fair reason to think we are the scumteam.

@oxy

How does this fit into the 'ofrzh and pin are never a team' theory?

[skitter30]

I don't get why I'm being townread now.

do you have any conclusions?

Not that I want to share right now. Mostly just noting that the shift is bizarre cuz I don't think I started playing differently or anything.

[Oxy]

I think that an ofrhz/pin makes much more sense than a Scioness/pin pairing since we both tried to start a wagon on ruru at the end of D1 so it could be a reason to scumread us, so if ruru is town, that would be fair reason to think we are the scumteam.

@oxy

How does this fit into the 'ofrzh and pin are never a team' theory?

I disagree with this on a fundamental level, and I just made a post as to why.

[Scioness Sajj]

yeah

have been thinking about that too. perhaps it's a riddle worth solving

[Scioness Sajj]

above for skitter

[skitter30]

I think that an ofrhz/pin makes much more sense than a Scioness/pin pairing since we both tried to start a wagon on ruru at the end of D1 so it could be a reason to scumread us, so if ruru is town, that would be fair reason to think we are the scumteam.

@oxy

How does this fit into the 'ofrzh and pin are never a team' theory?

I disagree with this on a fundamental level, and I just made a post as to why.

I mean, I understand that *you* disagree with it. I'm asking if you find it relevant that one of the individuals involved in your theory disagrees with you about how scum!them might behave there.

[Scioness Sajj]

So, then, my pov is still
town:ruru, nsg, oxy
not town: pin, ofrhz, skitter, sajj.

what makes you so sure nsg is town?

[Oxy]

I think that an ofrhz/pin makes much more sense than a Scioness/pin pairing since we both tried to start a wagon on ruru at the end of D1 so it could be a reason to scumread us, so if ruru is town, that would be fair reason to think we are the scumteam.

@oxy

How does this fit into the 'ofrzh and pin are never a team' theory?

I disagree with this on a fundamental level, and I just made a post as to why.

If you forced me to analyze this statement,

From town!pin: The entire idea of arguing which person makes sense as your partner when you know you are town is kind of troll to begin with, so maybe that's where the reasoning ends. Otherwise, he just hasn't put much thought into it because why would he spend much time analyzing who he is town with, anyway?

From scum!pin: Attempt to wifom who his partner is - Did he say that scioness+pin would make sense because they are in fact partners, or is his partner skitter which is why he doesn't mention her at all

[Oxy]

So, then, my pov is still
town:ruru, nsg, oxy
not town: pin, ofrhz, skitter, sajj.

what makes you so sure nsg is town?

Dino believed that I town-slipped, so he felt I was confirmed town

but the read he was most confident in was NSG. My understanding is that he has a track record of reading NSG very well, which is a lot more than I have.

So I'm sheeping this read until Lylo, at minimum, but probably all the way to the end.

[ruru]

Welcome back! I hope everyone got some good rest away from this game. I know I did.

Did some thinking about Ofrhz + Pin. It's not a thing

At the time of those votes,

The two wagons being seriously considered were Skitter and Drixx

I was strongly town reading ofrhz, Pin was at least town leaning Ofrhz (I'm pretty sure? doesn't really matter), and skitter was strongly town reading ofrhz. Basically, Ofrhz was never the D1 lynch.

NSG was town reading Pin, Mathdino was sheeping that read on Pin, and I was pretty clear that I wasn't looking to lynch Pin D1. Pin also was at no risk of being lynched D1.

So what would the motivation be to disrupt the tvt wagons in favor of some other t?

Purely to try to force a claim out of ruru? Which would mean that both of them would have had to miss that ruru was going to be afk?

This just isn't a thing.

I see your point here

So, then, my pov is still
town:ruru, nsg, oxy
not town: pin, ofrhz, skitter, sajj.

Since Pin+Ofrhz is not a thing, there must be at least one scum between skitter and sajj

I want to lynch one of those two today.

I agree about {skitter, SS} although I'm not really convinced NSG is town

[skitter30]

Oxy being alive in 5way is a decent indicator his reads are upside down or he's scum. Oxy being alive in 3way is a strong indicator his reads are upside down or he's scum.

Btw this doesn't necessarily hold if both me and him are alive on either of those days.

[skitter30]

Skitter is probably town

Did she claim vt at L1 or beforehand? Scum almost always claims pr at L1

Why am I probably town now?

[ruru]

Speaking of which

Scumteam confirmed town NSG by killing Dino. Yeah there's a chance of "NSG killed Dino so everyone would know that Dino was town so we would know that he was sincerely townreading NSG and now NSG is conftown bla bla bla"... bullshit)

What makes you sure this isn't the case?

[ruru]

Oxy being alive in 5way is a decent indicator his reads are upside down or he's scum. Oxy being alive in 3way is a strong indicator his reads are upside down or he's scum.

Btw this doesn't necessarily hold if both me and him are alive on either of those days.

Why do you say this?

[pinturicchio]

Hello everyone

[Scioness Sajj]

hi pintu are you scum?