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Post Post #50 (ISO) » Sat Apr 14, 2018 10:17 am

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In post 44, Nauci wrote:Welcome Irrelephant and Flicker!

VOTE: teacher

Wtf

You can't just come in this late, long after non RVS discussion had begun, and lay a vote on a wagon while claiming randomness absolves you of responsibility or something. How can you doubt something random?
Totally in agreement with this. Also, I can stop bolding, but I'm going to keep the red when I respond like this so people can see at a glance what I have to say.

In post 36, Meji Fan wrote:Hello World!

Nauci made me feel welcome, so now I feel sad as Nauci is my current most favorite for scum what with just nice welcoming posts and some chat about the setup
This seems both odd and sort of misrep-y. If anything, Nauci has made a lot of conversation. I am starting to null-read her.

In post 41, DirtyDishSoap wrote:James, can you break it down a bit better for the rest of us plebs?
Break down what, exactly? You're going to have to be more specific than that.

In post 45, Flicker wrote:Hey, all!

VOTE: James Brafin, partly as a policy lynch because of his posting style, partly because I don't like anyone who has that much confidence on a read this early.

I thought about sheeping Nauci's vote on teacher, but decided I don't feel comfortable sheeping anyone just yet. I do agree with her and Meji Fan that his vote is questionable. I also don't see how there's anything to like (or dislike) about RVS.
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There is so much wrong with this post. A) You don't policy lynch for posting style (I mean, how weak and untownie is that?). B) Why is confidence a bad thing? Scum is not going to be confident in their reads, they are going to waffle a bit. C) If you agree with something someone is doing, why wouldn't you follow them? D) Where is this Meji Fan thing coming from?
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Post Post #51 (ISO) » Sat Apr 14, 2018 12:11 pm

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In post 48, TheGoldenParadox wrote:
In post 26, Nauci wrote:I'm sorry TGP I remember playing with you before but absolutely nothing about your posting style don't hate me
:D this? I did that for the memes
It was a dark and stormy night where you LYNCHED MY F*CKING SCUMPARTNER D1 AND THEN JODAXQ GOT A GUILTY ON ME D2. I'm
pirates vs. ninjas was a very interesting game
Oh yeah

Some veeeeeery satisfying dunking

I am extremely pro 1v1 and look forward to the James v Flicker fisticuffs

1v1s are so good for sorting people

Personally, I think confidence in opinions in the first 5 pages of a thread are only good for stirring up conversation, but I also play pretty conservatively unless there's an "um actually" moment on the table
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Post Post #52 (ISO) » Sat Apr 14, 2018 2:30 pm

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V/LA for at least 24 hours

Going back to the ER rn sigh
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Post Post #53 (ISO) » Sat Apr 14, 2018 4:11 pm

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James - Nauci has made lots of posts, by the time I posted in post 36 that you replied to Nauci had quite a lot of posts which made N auci very visible, but did not have much to do with the price of tea in China
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Post Post #54 (ISO) » Sat Apr 14, 2018 5:12 pm

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UNVOTE: nauci

Still travelling though tomorrow night USA time so will be brief. My vote was knowing it would be L-2. I figured it would either prompt some mafia to bandwagon or to speak up in defence if he was maf. Neither really happened though James did speak. As for silence, that’s what I meant - not Nauci but others not defending him or creating another wagon.

Look forward to reading tomorrow.
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Post Post #55 (ISO) » Sat Apr 14, 2018 7:14 pm

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Her*
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Post Post #56 (ISO) » Sat Apr 14, 2018 9:15 pm

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Back from ER

This bevvy of meds is going to have me mostly not awake for the next 7 days
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Post Post #57 (ISO) » Sun Apr 15, 2018 5:26 am

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In post 50, James Brafin wrote:
In post 45, Flicker wrote:Hey, all!

VOTE: James Brafin, partly as a policy lynch because of his posting style, partly because I don't like anyone who has that much confidence on a read this early.

I thought about sheeping Nauci's vote on teacher, but decided I don't feel comfortable sheeping anyone just yet. I do agree with her and Meji Fan that his vote is questionable. I also don't see how there's anything to like (or dislike) about RVS.
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There is so much wrong with this post. A) You don't policy lynch for posting style (I mean, how weak and untownie is that?). B) Why is confidence a bad thing? Scum is not going to be confident in their reads, they are going to waffle a bit. C) If you agree with something someone is doing, why wouldn't you follow them? D) Where is this Meji Fan thing coming from?
A) When the posting style is as visually irritating (and potentially confusing, given your quoting mistakes) as yours initially was, I think it's something to consider. No one else here feels the need to make their text a different color (save the mod, of course), and we can follow the back-and-forth just fine. I already had a bit of a headache when I started reading, which made your text seem extra irritating, but still - I don't think players should have their own text colors, and if a policy lynch on you discouraged that, good.

B) Just because you don't think scum is going to be confident doesn't mean that town should feel confident with little information. Especially since, when you posted your read on Thor665, there were three slots which either hadn't posted or essentially hadn't posted (ImBad14/Irrelephant11, TheGoldenParadox, and CH4M3L30N/me), and it's possible that one or both scum is in this three (I don't know what the exact % is on that, math wasn't my strongest subject). (Also, I know I just FoS'd myself, but what'cha gonna do in pursuit of the truth? ¯\_(ツ)_/¯)

C) I didn't want to just come in and copy-paste Nauci (or anyone's) vote, especially since I don't have any good reads yet. I also thought pursuing a new vote would be more productive and sheeping would be lazy.

D) The "Meji Fan thing" is me acknowledging that they also thought teacher's vote was off (post #40). Speaking of...
In post 54, teacher wrote:UNVOTE: nauci

Still travelling though tomorrow night USA time so will be brief. My vote was knowing it would be L-2. I figured it would either prompt some mafia to bandwagon or to speak up in defence if he was maf. Neither really happened though James did speak. As for silence, that’s what I meant - not Nauci but others not defending him or creating another wagon.

Look forward to reading tomorrow.
If that was your intention, why not wait for more activity before unvoting? Whether or not you're confident in a vote, I don't think backing off of it so quickly is very helpful.
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Post Post #58 (ISO) » Sun Apr 15, 2018 11:12 am

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EBWOP: Actually, including teacher, there were
four
slots that (basically) hadn't posted when James made his "fairly confident" read/vote on Thor.
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Post Post #59 (ISO) » Sun Apr 15, 2018 1:14 pm

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Could you narrow that down a bit - I have zero interest in reading an entire game.
In post 37, James Brafin wrote:
Also, you could be giving bad advice while not lying about game theory, because you approached it as an opinion, not actual fact.
What the heck are you even arguing now?
That I'm giving bad advice intentionally and I'd guard myself by claiming it was opinion not fact (even though, as already noted, that would be against IC play policy)
In post 37, James Brafin wrote:
I suppose I did. So then I will ask you, what WAS the point/context of your response?
Not a fan of this handwave of the blatant hole in your method.
I'd like you to discuss your thoughts on why you had a confident read based on me breaking the IC rules and based on a random theory of what I meant with no questioning about it first.

To answer your question - do a search for Nauci and I in a game, my comments are very valid in that context. I'm not allowed to say any more.

In post 37, James Brafin wrote:
Because, imo, as town, why do we care about scum daychat, or multiball factions, or whatever? We don't (I don't, anyways); we only care about finding scum and getting them lynched. So when players estimate on scum numbers as a whole, I don't find it suspect, but any further and I always start asking "Why does town care at all?"
Isn't it your argument that scum Daychat changes the way scum play, and thus town *should* be aware of it to adjust their scumhunting (indeed, you're implying I lied about this to fake town out) how can you both believe it is game changing and also that town shouldn't care whether scum have Daytalk?
In post 37, James Brafin wrote:
No and no. I wasn't, however, expecting a shade on me not actually having a case and trying to look townie. It seems to me that genuine town would be interested in other reads, even if they are slightly delayed. I don't see that shade coming from town.
You're saying town should love and embrace cases on themselves?
That seems nonsensical.
Do you have a long history of supporting cases on yourself when town?
I think it's super reasonable that when any case on me is, by definition, based on one post, that I can believe it's probably weak without having to hear it. After hearing it, even you are admitting you maybe were a touch sloppy, so I appear to be objectively correct on some level, yet now you're calling me scummy for being right?
How does that work?
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Post Post #60 (ISO) » Sun Apr 15, 2018 5:46 pm

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I still don't understand what you guys are saying about be within your arguments against each other

Something about reacting to something or other?

Like maybe it's the Norco but I've reread and I don't understand what's happening
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Post Post #61 (ISO) » Sun Apr 15, 2018 11:09 pm

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It seems fairly straightforward to me, I'll admit.
I even restated his issue in a one sentence breakdown in my last reply.
At what point is it losing you?
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Post Post #62 (ISO) » Mon Apr 16, 2018 1:13 am

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In post 50, James Brafin wrote:
In post 41, DirtyDishSoap wrote:James, can you break it down a bit better for the rest of us plebs?
Break down what, exactly? You're going to have to be more specific than that.
Flickr basically answered this but...

Your initial post with broken quotations, bolded red text just made it an eyesore to read. We can identify who is who pretty clearly without the need to superfluously enhance the text. For me, I initially couldn't identify Thor and Nauci. Could you please not use the color text at all unless it is absolutely necessary?

I'm going to not bother with the quotes because they're broken and I suck at fixing them.
In regards to your back and forth with Thor...

1. I agree with Thor on daytime scum chat - gameplay is little to no different overall. Scum wouldn't be associating themselves to begin with, day chat wouldn't change this.

2. I wouldn't call stratagem discussion as a form of shading. Discussion of stratagem is really NAI but it detracts town from scum hunting. Not sure how you can misinterpret it as a scum tell, or how can you spin it off as the IC basically doing (not doing in your eyes?) his job. He gave his opinion on the subject of said stratagem. There is no factual "yes you should play this way," "no you shouldn't play this way." You either agree with the IC's assessment on it, because the IC is still just a player like you or me, or you disagree with it and move on.

3. There's a few ways to play out D1. Ask questions, get reactions, vote for pressure. I like the evidence style. If a player is actively acting like they're pursuing an obvious mislynch for example, that's evidence to be used. Towns best weapon is the vote, and it should be used to put pressure on players that are acting negatively.

There really isn't a case to build upon on Thor. We could just go off of his wiki and just say we lynch him based off of that. Think that's a better case.
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Post Post #63 (ISO) » Mon Apr 16, 2018 4:22 am

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In post 61, Thor665 wrote:It seems fairly straightforward to me, I'll admit.
I even restated his issue in a one sentence breakdown in my last reply.
At what point is it losing you?
Oops my "me" got autocorrected to "be."

I'm lost on how I am originally involved in the conversation. I reached to X with Y and that meant Z?

I'm super lost within the red text and broken quotations on what either of you guys' opinions are of whatever it was that I did/didn't do? Like I don't know if this is something I need to clear up about my actions o_o
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Post Post #64 (ISO) » Mon Apr 16, 2018 4:26 am

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Huh, I thought there would be more here to talk about after a full weekend. Well, some questions:
In post 15, Thor665 wrote:
Vote: Nauci


Because I don't feel like allowing him to let personal feelings dictate votes instead of evidence.
Or maybe he's scum.
Win either way.
Was this vote serious? If so, what is "personal feelings" in reference to?
In post 39, teacher wrote:Greetings all. I am travelling through Sunday so have less time to quote and comment than I would like. Certainly looks like at least some will be active chatters, which is helpful for outing information - something that always helps town. I also like the RVS.

VOTE: nauci

Its an RVS for me, and one I am doubting, because of the silence so far. But there it is anyways. Happy weekend everyone.
In post 54, teacher wrote:UNVOTE: nauci

Still travelling though tomorrow night USA time so will be brief. My vote was knowing it would be L-2. I figured it would either prompt some mafia to bandwagon or to speak up in defence if he was maf. Neither really happened though James did speak. As for silence, that’s what I meant - not Nauci but others not defending him or creating another wagon.

Look forward to reading tomorrow.
Agree with others who have said this vote was weird. Looking forward to hearing more about it and the subsequent "oh no people think this is weird *unvote*" post when you get back tonight. If it was a weird play for information, why let us in on it so fast? Seems like that ruins the point of it.
In post 48, TheGoldenParadox wrote:
In post 26, Nauci wrote:I'm sorry TGP I remember playing with you before but absolutely nothing about your posting style don't hate me
:D this? I did that for the memes
It was a dark and stormy night where you LYNCHED MY F*CKING SCUMPARTNER D1 AND THEN JODAXQ GOT A GUILTY ON ME D2.
pirates vs. ninjas was a very interesting game
TheGoldenParadox, you've posted twice, and on different days, but haven't really talked about the game yet. What do you think of Teacher's weird vote? Or JB and Thor's many words? Or anyone else?
In post 53, Meji Fan wrote:James - Nauci has made lots of posts, by the time I posted in post 36 that you replied to Nauci had quite a lot of posts which made N auci very visible, but did not have much to do with the price of tea in China
What does this mean?


I'll say that JB and Teacher have both made me feel bad so far, at different times. I also get really nervous about the idea of a scum Thor because he's played so much.

Oh and lets get everyone talking if possible. Flicker, JB, DDS, and Nauci - ummm what do you all think of each other? Any good or bad vibes yet?
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Post Post #65 (ISO) » Mon Apr 16, 2018 4:48 am

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I'm activity+content biased, so I try to refrain from real reads until people have had a chance to post more, but a super preliminary read list that's as confident as page 3 can get:

Towniiiish - Flicker (very good posts; good questions, original and genuine analysis, and the kind of early d1 awkwardness I do all the time), Thor (though... I usually set IC to null indefinitely because scum IC is scary), Irrelephant (too few posts but good questions, and good catch/reminder on tgp)

Null because I don't have any read ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ - Meji (low content that I don't have a gauge on. Do you want me to ask my parents how much their tea cost?), DDS (lots of content but a lot of it was either already said or theory based?)

Null because conflicted reads - James (tryhardness is Towny, but also kinda gung ho and confusing?)

No bueno - Teacher (feels pretty classic for newb scum to have so many excuses for their votes and back off at the slightest pressure, tbh. It's something I did in my first 2 scum games on another site.), TGP - have to say this is straight lack of content bias here. He did that in the game where we got a perfect town victory in him and his partner though, so bias there too
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Post Post #66 (ISO) » Mon Apr 16, 2018 5:06 am

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OK, Ive now given everything a close read. Heres my analysis, for the two cents its worth, as well as a general site mechanics question. Also apologies to Nauci for getting her gender wrong.

Question
. In Post 11, Nauci mentions ISO. I dont see an ISO button on posts. This would be helpful. Can someone give a more detailed explanation? (Im familiar with the basic software and using profiles to narrow posts, but an in-game ISO would be faster.)

Analysis
: Listed in game order, from the intro. One note is that I assume Maf strategy is to have one participant/misdirector, and one lurker (active or not). That assumption is in itself questionable, but it is my baseline for most games.

1.
DDS
. Post 10 Random vote of Im Bad - someone who is no longer in game. Has not changed vote, though commented since replacement. Most posts (14, 17, 62) discourage discussion of strategem as avoiding scumhunting. I personally disagree with this as discussion of strategems can provide alignment indicative responses. Post 27 questions Nauci; Post 41 asks James to explain his vote.
Bottom Line
: Has chatted at least 5 times, but provided no reads other than to question Nauci. Only discourages strategem discussion. Since I disagree with that, I question alignment very mildly.

2.
Irrelephant
. Replacement in at 43, one chat introducing as new and LA weekend (49).
Bottom Line
: Not much here. AFK but interested in what and when they will contribute.

3.
James
. Loud participant with detailed posts. Not sure what to make of R2D reference in post 20. Votes Nauci in 20 because Nauci raised issue with game rules in 7. Quickly pulls back Nauci Vote in 22 and promises attack on Thor. Post 30 provides the detail of his attack on Thor, while Post 31 responds to Thor's 24 with a light FoS on DDS. Post 37 responds to Thor's 35, but is incredibly unclear to me. Post 50 agrees with criticism of my vote, attacks Flickr for post 45, and defends Nauci.
Bottom Line
: Actively raising suspicions and creating chatter - something that scans as town to me, but only slightly. Seems to be friendly towards nauci. I hate the quote/red mechanics personally, but understand he may be trying to be clear.

4.
Flickr
. Replacement in at 43. Immediately votes James at 45 because of chat mechanics, but indicates uncertainty. Post 45 criticizes me for wagoning, but Post 57 criticizes my unvote (contradictory?). Post 57 notes who was AFK early game, and responds to James's suspicions in post 50.
Bottom Line
: Has been active since arrival, and provides analysis of player's (mostly my) moves. Slight townread.

5.
Me
. I was LA this weekend. I arrived and voted Nauci in 39. I explained my vote in 54, at the same time as i unvoted. Havent otherwise contributed until now.

6.
Nauci
. Certainly the loudest player. But as several others (Meji in 53, for example) have noted, the posts have been mostly empty. Post 7 was comment on game rules. Post 11 was explaining acronyms. Post 13 poses game strategy question of claiming tracker, but then post 18 adopts DDS's explanation of why not to discuss this (contradiction). Post 26 questions James; post 32 gives him love; post 38 goes back to questioning (but for what are valid reasons to me). Continuing with his focus on James, post 47 townreads Flickr but post 51 encourages James v. Flickr 1v1. Not sure what to make of this, but seems slightly contradictory to me. Post 44 criticizes my wagon (seems valid). Post 60 claims not to understand James v. Thor, which seems odd given the post 51 encouragement of 1v1, and also seems questionable because their posts were relatively clear (as Thor 61 points out). Not sure what to make of "town macho even night commuter" in post 11.
Bottom line
: I see some contradictions here. I also see James defending her, as discussed below. But Im not yet inclined to scumread, even tentatively, in part because of my reaction to James.

7.
Meji
. Replacement in at 33. Interesting in itself because Cedrik had chatted (at 19). Suggests some role that Cedrik didnt have time to fulfill. First post at 36 scumreads Nauci because of welcome and post 7. Post 40 questions my vote. Post 53 notes Nauci hasnt said much substance.
Bottom line
: not much here; my read of some role is purely dependent on Cedrik having chatted then left.

8.
Golden Paradox
. Random "pagetop" post at 25 explained as for memes. Post 48 refers Nauci to past games they have together. Otherwise entirely AFK.
Bottom line
: "pagetop" gives me an active lurker initial read. Interested to see more.

9.
Thor
. Active poster with content. Post 15 provides IC role details and opinions on mechanics. Post 16 questions DDS. Post 24 responds to DDS 17, explaining why strategem discussion is fine (which I agree with). Post 24 also responds to James 20/22, setting up their 1v1. Post 35 responds to James's FoS in 30; Post 59 does the same with James's 37. Post 61 questions Nauci's comment in 60 of how the Thor v. James 1v1 doesnt make sense.
Bottom line
:null-reading to me. Seems to be playing in IC role; seems to support discussion of strategy which I agree with. Questions Nauci for same reasons I do. A player I seem to agree with on most counts, but dont have a sense of role.

VOTE: Golden Paradox. Youre reading the thread and silent. I want a reaction.
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Post Post #67 (ISO) » Mon Apr 16, 2018 5:09 am

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I began drafting when we were at post 62. I will respond to those that came after when I can review them. HAve to catch up with Real life for a little bit first.
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Post Post #68 (ISO) » Mon Apr 16, 2018 5:26 am

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OK, so a number of people (Nauci 65, Irrelephant 64; James 45; Flickr 57; Meji 40) have questioned my voting pattern. For me, it was a question of LA/vacationing.

Initial vote
: I voted knowing it was L-2, to force info on whether anyone would bandwagon or defend. Then again, I could be accused of wagonning myself. I explained this in 59, and it remains the same.

Unvote
: TBH, I was a little drunk on vacation. I thought 24 hours had passed since my initial vote. I hadnt seen any information come from that vote, and the publication of an actual vote count made it less likely to come after that. Turns out my drunk self was wrong on time and less had passed than I thought, though there was a votecount. My unvote was also partially a reaction to Meji 40 and Flickr 57 questioning my vote (Nauci 65 is correct on that). Basically I decided the vote wasnt helping get more information and was hurting me.

I dont blame people for being suspicious of me because I was so inactive. I hope the detailed and content based post 66 helps with that. But theres my explanation FWIW. BTW, as an out of game comment in case it doesnt get said elsewhere, good luck with your medical issues Nauci.
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Post Post #69 (ISO) » Mon Apr 16, 2018 5:37 am

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So I have a theory that I want some other eyes on: What if Thor and JB are scum together? Itw ould explain some early weirdness.

In psot 15, Thor votes Nauci. I have already asked if this was serious, and his answer might change how the rest of this theory goes, but not by much.

Then, without a very strong reason (imo), James copies his vote spot:
In post 20, James Brafin wrote:That being said, VOTE: Nauci
Semi-serious. I'm not sure why town cares about there being a scumchat, but if the mod forgot to set it up, it would not surprise me if scum had a comment.
Then, in my theory world, Thor tells him offscreen "hey, copying me is a bad idea so early on, we're gonna look like a team", so JB unvotes,
In post 22, James Brafin wrote:Oh, kk. Still suspect, but it's a valid albi.
Unvote


That being said, Thor, I think the answer to your question in #16 is "Who is scum." Also not a fan of post 15, I'll explain in a bit.
...aaaand goes to the other extreme:
In post 37, James Brafin wrote:
Vote: Thor665

Fairly confident in this.
It would also explain why the two of them have been arguing over what feels like a lot of nothing - or at least, it's mostly goign over my head, these arguments about how the game works and how an IC works.

In 31, JB accuses Thor of "shading" him for what was pretty clearly a joke. And in 35, Thor asks "Also, how would me "shading" this game theory help me win as scum/hurt town exactly?" which from what I can tell (if I'm reading these posts right - yikes), JB doesn't respond to?

tl;dr It just kinda feels like they're disagreeing for the sake of disagreeing, not because either one thinks the other could be scum.

Obviously, odds are I'm wrong. But man, wouldn't it be fun if I called it day 1 my first game? Any thoughts?
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Post Post #70 (ISO) » Mon Apr 16, 2018 5:42 am

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Thanks.

I'm in lvl 8-9/10 pain non stop so I'm catching up and paying between bouts of opioid induced sleep.

Clarifications: I encourage 1v1s because they usually result in a lot of valuable, emotion laden content that makes both parties easier to sort. Usually the content or topic or which one I TR more doesn't matter. My only confusion wrt James v Thor is what they meant about me.

Passing back out now; hope something exciting happens while I'm gone
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Post Post #71 (ISO) » Mon Apr 16, 2018 5:56 am

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In post 63, Nauci wrote:I'm lost on how I am originally involved in the conversation. I reached to X with Y and that meant Z?

I'm super lost within the red text and broken quotations on what either of you guys' opinions are of whatever it was that I did/didn't do? Like I don't know if this is something I need to clear up about my actions o_o
You are incredibly lost, because, for starters - I never made *any* comment about that. And even if his posts are all a mass of confusion, I don't think mine have been. Maybe do a second skim over the day or something?

His issue with you remains your commentary about Day chat.
His last commentary about you was that he null reads you - so I'm not even sure what you are looking to understand, as he's kind of half admitting now his entire push was meaningless.

Does that help you?
I really think you need to go read the game again.
In post 64, Irrelephant11 wrote:Was this vote serious? If so, what is "personal feelings" in reference to?
I don't think I've ever made a non-serious vote, and I didn't start in this game.
As to my reasons - I already explained them to James when he asked me what they were. Did you not understand something, or did you just gloss over his post and my response to it?
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. In Post 11, Nauci mentions ISO. I dont see an ISO button on posts. This would be helpful. Can someone give a more detailed explanation? (Im familiar with the basic software and using profiles to narrow posts, but an in-game ISO would be faster.)
ISO is short for isolation.
If you scroll down to the bottom of the page (under the quick reply box) you will see a little series of drop down menus.
These will allow you to isolate any given player, or to bring up all the posts by two or more players (useful when looking for associations and interactions I find).

Let me know if my answer isn't helpful and I'll talk it through more.
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Post Post #72 (ISO) » Mon Apr 16, 2018 5:57 am

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In post 71, Thor665 wrote:If you scroll down to the bottom of the page (under the quick reply box) you will see a little series of drop down menus.
These will allow you to isolate any given player, or to bring up all the posts by two or more players (useful when looking for associations and interactions I find)
Got it and used it. Thanks IC!
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Post Post #73 (ISO) » Mon Apr 16, 2018 6:05 am

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In post 69, Irrelephant11 wrote:It would also explain why the two of them have been arguing over what feels like a lot of nothing - or at least, it's mostly goign over my head, these arguments about how the game works and how an IC works.
Why is it going over your head? I feel I'm being very clear,a nd I'm starting to feel people are using one ugly post by James to claim they can't assess the debate. Allow me to make it a very simple debate for you (James can feel free to weigh in if he thinks I'm misrepping him;

Thor: 1st post.
James
I suspect that post - reasons coming soooon!

Thor: I find needing time to pull together your thoughts to imply your thoughts will be hogwash.
James
It's scummy that you would say that - also here is my case on Thor, I think he lied about theory and also called me scummy!

Thor: (I am just now realizing that him calling out how I shaded his case on me as a reason to present in his case doesn't make a lot of sense timeline wise :neutral: But here's what I said;)There are rules governing how an IC answers theory questions, so by definition your case is 50% wonky. Also, why should I support a case on me?
James
I disregard your point about the rules due to a very twisted concept of what an IC can do, even though I can't describe how it helped you if you're scum - also I will now kind of call you scummy for downplaying scum daytalk while also saying that Nauci is scum because town shouldn't care about Daytalk enough to ask about it

Thor: either Daytalk is potent enough that I should describe it as scary *or* it's not scary and town shouldn't talk about it - you're currently claiming both to call both Nauci and I scum, which makes no logical sense. How do you justify this dichotomy?

And that's where we're at.
Does the argument read to you now, and can you understand our stances and points?
Do you still consider them meaningless, or do you have an opinion about someone being more or less correct? Do you see scum motivation still in either or both of our stances and why?
In post 69, Irrelephant11 wrote:In 31, JB accuses Thor of "shading" him for what was pretty clearly a joke. And in 35, Thor asks "Also, how would me "shading" this game theory help me win as scum/hurt town exactly?" which from what I can tell (if I'm reading these posts right - yikes), JB doesn't respond to?
How can you say this and think;
1. It was a joke (when James doubled down on it)
2. That I would castigate my scumpartner so painfully if he was joking with us, since you seem to believe I'd be coaching him for any misstep?
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Post Post #74 (ISO) » Mon Apr 16, 2018 6:07 am

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Also, you probably should feel like I'm not calling James scum yet - because I haven't called him scum yet.
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