Newbie 1859 (Game Over)

[pinturicchio]

Scioness, are you abstolutely townreading skitter right now? If yes, keep talking

Skitter, are you absolutely townreading Scioness right now? If yes... You know what to do

[Scioness Sajj]

I'm not sure what you are thinking pintu
Skitter is in the 2nd tier of my town reads above is nsg alone

But I'm sort of done talking for now

[Scioness Sajj]

btw a read list

The towniest
Nsg
Feels town, did nothing wrong
Skitter and pintu
All shades of scummy
Ruru, ofrhz, oxy

[pinturicchio]

Ok, back to square 1. I assumed Oxy was town because he had too many townreads on early game, and kept him as obv!town for the rest of the game. Problem is, I linked this read with my read on ofrhz, because at the beginning of the game, I stated that if Oxy was scum, ofrhz would be his partner, but if Oxy was town, ofrhz would probably be town. What is wrong here? 2 individual problems:

1. Oxy being scum ---> ofrhz scum makes sense, but Oxy town ---> ofrhz town is not correct from a logic point of view (what I mean is, from a logic point of view, scum Oxy ---> scum ofrhz doesn't imply town Oxy ---> town ofrhz). I made a bad assumption, one that made me believe all the game that both of them were town without reevaluating during almost all the game. That reduced my lynchpool to three players, and made me read the game thinking all the time that everything Oxy and ofrhz said was coming from town, and everything that ruru, Scioness and skitter could be coming from scum.

2. From 1., you can see that I basically did a "town tunnel": I don't know how to describe it or if there's a word to say it better, but I tunneled Oxy all the game as town. I know that's not how that word is meant to be used, but I really don't know how to say it, do you understand what I'm trying to say?

And a third problem: I thought Scioness was town at the beginning of the game, but as soon as I started townreading Oxy, I assumed Scioness was scum because of the antagonism that both of them had been having along the game. Also, I must admit, I wanted Scioness to be scum because she's good at it, and I wanted to catch her... My bad.

From this two problems, I've been building a big snowball that crashed a few posts ago; skitter became my top townread, with Scioness in a close behind. What. The. Fuck. That changes everything from my point of view, and I don't know if rereading the whole game will give me the answers I'm looking for. But I know how I feel now:

I feel like I've circled back to oxy/ofrzh

Back to square 1. Both Oxy and ofrhz have implied (without foundation) that I have pocketed them, and that pinged me hard, both times. They tried to turn upside down what they were doing with me; Oxy left me out of his townreads until what, always? Because he has never townread me, he only says things like "I think I'm townreading you

more

", always leaving room for changing his mind about me, because "more" is not townreading per se, just "more than before". ofrhz, on the other hand, has been more subtle, but what pinged me the most is that, after a wagon formed on him for the first time, he jumped on me, saying that "before the wagon formed, he was metareading me" and that he found some inconsistencies, something that he never brought before, and he implied that I was pocketing him.

VOTE: ofrhz

This is L-1

[Oxy]

I'm having a little trouble understanding, Pin.

Are you town reading me or scum reading me?

[pinturicchio]

I'm having a little trouble understanding, Pin.

Are you town reading me or scum reading me?

Neither. I don't know what to think about you. My gut says town, but my brain is messed up. I'm inclined to believe you're town, but I really need a flip to start over. I want to think you're town, but I can't.

[Oxy]

I understand - I felt that way about you for, as you say, always.

Pretty good shot ofrhz flips scum here. Would still rather Scioness, tho

[Oxy]

Just to set the record straight, tho

I thought you were pocketing me for all of like 20 minutes.

[pinturicchio]

You'll have a difficult D3 if ofrhz flips scum, but I'm not tunneling anyone anymore

[Oxy]

Call it a hunch, but I think you're wrong on that count. =)

[ofrhz]

@pin- I have you and Scioness in my scumpool by PoE for a while now though, so it’s not like the first time ive brought you guys up. Admittedly, it’s just a scumpool by PoE and you don’t seem scummy, which is why I tried to meta read you and didn’t come up with much.

Also you really like hypotheticals, so suppose I’m town. Where would you look next?

[Oxy]

I'll hammer this in 48 hours or so unless there's a good reason not to.

Not my favorite lynch, but better than a lot of alternatives.

[ruru]

pin, can you explain why NSG wouldn't NK dino?

Also, supposing skitter is town, why do you think SS is town? Like what if skitter's reads are just bad and SS is scum

[ruru]

What do you think of ruru's approach to Oxy? Defending him, doing what he asks (my ISO), never questioning him?

I guess I'm asking if you think that she's pocketed him.

I find this question super weird because I feel like my writing style is pretty objective (tone-wise I mean, I'm not saying I'm free of bias) and not super personal. Like trying to pocket a player is some sort of social/psychological process and I don't think I've been making lots of "charismatic" posts where I'm like super best friends with people, I basically just say what I think about the game state.

So... I'm curious how town!SS would come up with that idea. It feels manufactured; just being a town player who has a bias against me doesn't feel like enough of a reason to come to that conclusion.

What I mean to say is hey, SS, I really like how you think about the game! I feel pretty confident that you're town, because you just come across as super genuine. Anyone who is scumreading you should probably stop now because it's just making the game unnecessarily confusing. Who do you think we should lynch?

[Scioness Sajj]

[ofrhz]

Hey Scioness- would my flip exonerate ruru in your eyes?

[ofrhz]

*my town flip

[Scioness Sajj]

Ruru - In the quoted I have wrote examples of how you could have pocketed oxy. No clue why you think that pocketing is tone exclusive.

Beside that your post makes no sense.


p.edit - hmm not necessarily. I will have to reconsider after you flip anyways but that last two posts by ruru... well

[Scioness Sajj]

btw ofrhz you are l-1 with intent

I think we should wait for NSG though

[ofrhz]

Her last two posts make sense though? There is no reason to townread you based on a skitter townread. From my PoV, I know skitters reads are not that accurate, and she herself admitted she has too many reads.

[ofrhz]

Your examples could just be town trying to work with a townread.

[Oxy]

That everyone who has been in my poe list is either at L-1 at or putting that person at L-1 makes it seem super likely that this is a bus

[ofrhz]

Yeah I realized. I don’t mind that much, but I feel like people are going to stay with their same wrong reads after I die which is kind of annoying.

[Oxy]

or town with 2 scum already on it, but that seems less likely somehow

[ofrhz]

Oxy.... how did you start scumreading me