Gunner Mafia [Endgame]

[Creature]

I like when the wagon feels serious, as if I hit the jackpot.

[Tchill13]

VOTE: cent

That's actually scummy.

[Spiffeh]

spiff is possibly just being bad. theres some aspects to his push i get and other aspects that just require him to be barely even trying to parse me that im trying to reconcile. i also just dont understand why he would prioritize parsing me when im one of the easiest players to townbin when im town and invested. him calling me scum instead of trying to work with me before going that route just seems baffling to me.

You're right I should just not point anything out that I find scummy because it's you

Also I literally asked you to explain why you were scum reading Quick (which I thought you were) in the very first post I called you out on so idk why you're saying I'm not trying to work with you

[Mulch]

Votecount 1.18

Centipede Syndrome(4)

~ CheekyTeeky(51), Gorkington(36), Quick(138), Tchill13(2)

Srceenplay(2)

~ Brigand Vvulf(15), Toranaga(97)

Quick(2)

~ Panopticon(17), Srceenplay(19)

Hopkirk(2)

~ Thor665(10), Brian Skies(26)

Brian Skies(2)

~ Spiffeh(26), Bins(11)

Spiffeh(1)

~ MariaR(5)

Creature(1)

~ Creature(70)

CheekyTeeky(1)

~ GreyICE(11)


Not Voting (8): Town Gunner(0), Mafia Gunner(0), Beeboy(55), Ausuka(21), Hopkirk(38), The Worst(2), Centipede Syndrome(56), Nero Cain(46)

With 21 alive it takes 11 to lynch.

Day 1 deadline is in (expired on 2018-04-25 12:53:00)

[Quick]

Creature NEVER Scum here. If he is I will prolly shit myself.

[Hopkirk]

Town
Beeboy
Creature
Toranaga
Nero
Gork
Grey

Less Town
The Worst
Maybe Quick - I could easily make a case against this slot, but I don't really believe this will flip scum.

No Idea
Everyone Else

Slight Scumlean
Srceen - My gut says otherwise, but I feel like this post is unnecessarily nitpicky (and I feel like that's more of something scum might do). I'm also not getting good vibes from his hardtunnel on the Quick slot. So it's probably more appropriate to put him here even though

Sketchy
Ausuka
Cheeky

Scumleans
Brigand
Hopkirk - I'm not confident on this being scum, but I do get the placating, and I didn't really get the greatest vibes in his push on me (he didn't even answer my question to him). Feels a lot like 'poking and running away', if that makes any sense.

VOTE: Hopkirk

Don't really get this vote.
1.) please explain where you think I'm placating in a mixture of your own words and my words (quotes of how). Most interested in why I'd push someone to say they scumread me, then 'placate' them when they aren't making the read independently.
2.) I explained my read on you and my intention and sort of answered that question. What didn't you like with my explination?
Why sketchy on Ausuka/Cheeky?

Well his ISO is garbage. Bad entrance but not sure if scummy bad. Ausuka push seems bandwagony seeing as hes contributed eff all and pop's in to interrogate one of the players under heavy suspicion in what feels like a disingenuous way. Contrary to Ausuka though he's not lacking tone.

Also in reading his ISO I think Hopkirk might be town this game. Check it out it's not long.

Hey, it's bigger than average.

[Spiffeh]

And yes, the first post of that interaction you asked him his town and scum reads, but the manner in which you did it was to make him look bad. The whole first part of that post was about how useless he was being, and I explained why that wasn't the case.

You did a scummy thing, I called it out. Idk why you're acting so incredulous at me rn

I am obviously willing to let you do your thing and I don't think I've done anything that is preventing you from doing that

this is @Gorkington

[Quick]

Due to Anti-Claim mechanic, I don't want to see any miller claims. We can all agree with this, correct?

[Gorkington]

You're right I should just not point anything out that I find scummy because it's you

Also I literally asked you to explain why you were scum reading Quick (which I thought you were) in the very first post I called you out on so idk why you're saying I'm not trying to work with you

it feels way more like youre trying to pin some shit on me than trying to figure out why im thinking what im thinking?
if you just want to parse where my head is at, ask me questions, dont immediately call me scum and expect me not to be a defensive shithead about it. lol.

p-edit: i dont understand how you can look at that post and think "gork's intention here is to make quick look bad so he can get him lynched".
ive explained why it was the case in the context of his recent play and youre ignoring that to continue pushing this shitty justification for your push on me.
if i pushed you in mafiosi for reasons that you thought were wrong you would have called me shit at mafia and garbage. pardon me for just being incredibly annoyed and distracted by it.

[Hopkirk]

weak townlean from ISO

could really be anything, but feel is town.

I think... ausuka/greyice/centipede are the scummiest, and then 0 posters are probably scumheavy.

so this is game so far. I'm basically townreading everyone that posted anything reasonable outside of these 3. yes, including brian.

Kind of agreeing with townreading most active people. Townreading Ausuka too though.

Hopkirk-

83, 93, 99, 324 seem towny imo.

283 303 are better in ISO than when I read them in real time.

201 felt like a copy of Beeboy's case.
247 felt awkward.

Apart from Quick I don't understand the other votes there.

Yeah he does seem different in that he seems a bit looser, and has more pushes than just commenting like last game.

Tor why do you TR vvulf?

The second half of 201 isn't anything like what Beeboy was saying.
247, extension of wanting to know what Q was thinking. Couldn't resist the bad joke.

[Hopkirk]

Voting scum isn't a good way to find scum.
We've already found scum.
The problem is voting them.

Could you self vote and speed things up?

You are 100% confirmed scum to me right now. We need to 1v1. Anyone who votes outside of us from this point on is confirmed wolf. On a scale of one to infinity, you are infinitly scum. You need to flip to death and I will

pillage

your corpse for the towncred that will naturally follow from me being so so right about how terrible a thing you are. That's right, a thing, not a person. You can try and hide it all you want, but everyone with

eyes

can BLATENTLY see exactly what you are doing here. It makes me sick to even be having to case you for being obvious scum here. Anyone who isn't voting for Grey here should take a moment to consider whether they read their role pms wrong, because being scum is literally the only way you couldn't see exactly what kind of

SICK

game Greyice is trying to play here. The scum/wolf stench is so strong I can bearly bear actually voting with him. The association with that much scum in one place makes me feel like scum too. You are the scum

abyss

and even a glance makes me feel worse, let alone a gaze. The scumminess radiating from you in every direction makes me want to lynch you, and the people above and below you in the playerlist. I am shocked and appalled that you haven't been either lynched, or vigged already. It is simply inconcievable that you, scum incarnate, are still here right now.

They'll never suspect this

really is

a mutual hard bus.

thiis is a copypasta right? other than that I think hopkirk has been playing different than his last wolf game with us and I feel he has been fairly towny/noticing things I'm noticing too. not strong either way.

No. I wrote this intentionally and originally.

[Gorkington]

like im actually baffled that youre still calling my interaction there scummy when it should be clear that from my POV quick seemed like he was doing nothing at the time.

[Quick]

like im actually baffled that youre still calling my interaction there scummy when it should be clear that from my POV quick seemed like he was doing nothing at the time.

TBH? It felt a lot like a PL you were trying to push on me *shrug*

[Gorkington]

it should be clear from the post that it was meant to be pressure to make you do serious shit instead of off-topic shitposting?

i would also have to be really angry to want to push a policy lynch on someone as town, and would probably never aim to go for that angle as scum because it pretty much never comes across as a viable reason for trying to lynch someone unless theyre actually spamming the game to a point that its unreadable and theyre unwilling to stop.

[GreyICE]

Hopkirk desperately searching for evidence of what role I might have amuses me.

Centipede votes are trash.

[Hopkirk]

im not interested in pushing grey or discussing why i think hes scum right now.
youre more than capable of trying to parse him yourself for now, but theres literally very little productive value in laying my hand out when itll be easier to lynch him if he doesnt towntell for most of today.
p-edit: where did i say i want people to sheep me on grey? am i voting him?

Do you/did you when you posted this, believe he's lying about not reading the role pm?

[Quick]

Hopkirk desperately searching for evidence of what role I might have amuses me.

Centipede votes are trash.

Yeah, but Creature is voting them. He's basically confirmed Town at this point.

[Gorkington]

actually on reread maybe less clear than id intended. i think i let how annoyed i felt dictate the content of that post moreso than a genuine interest in trying to parse you.

p-edit: im very happy with a grey wagon if centipede starts being town.

pp-edit: i took that as a joke?

[Quick]

Not a joke. Halfway joke that is basically true.

[Hopkirk]

Also,

I'd like to know which of you Mulch invited to play this game for my own ENTERTAINMENT.

Yes.

Gorkypie I really don't like the manner in which you chose to engage with Quick

I feel like it's been a common thing to say that Quick has been trolling/being intentionally useless and beyond being a little defensive when being wagoned early on I feel like he's bounced back nicely and been contributing? It may not be up to your standards or maybe not all that readable for you but I think saying that he's been shitposting for 10 pages is pretty disingenuous.

Also, it's pretty obvious from his opening posts that Quick trips over his words a lot so you pointing out logical inconsistencies with his posting isn't all that compelling and I feel like town!you should know that? So 680 and 681 don't really sit well with me.

If you're scum reading Quick which I think you might be can you help me see why?

great post spiffeh

I have a feeling that if both you and thor are town, we're going to win this

Why town Thor?

[Hopkirk]

ok
i see that

stuff after with the “maybe i am maybe i’m not” was weird but i get the villager claim thing

that’s fine i’ll move on
but embrace the scumreads,
there was likely annoying scum pushing on you

Want to hear your thoughts here too.

At this point I'm fully willing to lynch Quick and Toranaga for being spammy as fuck, and Ausuka and Hopkirk for being scum.

All four of these reads are bad reads.

I think Panopticon looks p. bad and no one is talking about them

Get a wagon going on him and I'd back it.
I'd actually kind of like to see you off Brian and onto Hopkirk, personally, but Panopticon looks more interesting than Brian as a wagon to me also, which makes me wonder why you're spinning your wheels there.
I can't even recall the last point anyone really advanced much on him - though I'll admit 10 pages back only takes us to yesterday evening, but still

Refresh your stale read or move?

Why Hop scum? I assume it's serious now.

Atleast Thor can be town for now

Interested in hearing why since I townread you/tort.

[Hopkirk]

Gorkington, Bins, Paonpticon, GreyICE to say a few.

There's also Spiffeh I simply don't know how to read

Why Gork scum?

@Quick: explain Spew please.

It's basically when a Scum player WKs a Town person as Town because there is no way that Scum player gives their Teammate a read like that.

Not sure I get what you meant then.

VOTE: quick

Trouble finding the thread. I'm here now ladies and gentlemen. Will catch up soon.

Voted because of biggest wagon of course.

Uh.

[GreyICE]

Even if Creature was somehow confirmed town, that doesn't magically make their read any better.

Also Quick? You now have nearly six pages of this thread that's just you. Just. Fucking. You. I'm not even being nice anymore. Learn to shut the fuck up.

Pedit: Hopkirk can blow me, those are great reads. If you're trying to signal I shouldn't be bussing my scumbuddies so early, sorry, still riding the 75%.

[Quick]

@Quick: explain Spew please.

It's basically when a Scum player WKs a Town person as Town because there is no way that Scum player gives their Teammate a read like that.

Not sure I get what you meant then.

VOTE: quick

Trouble finding the thread. I'm here now ladies and gentlemen. Will catch up soon.

Voted because of biggest wagon of course.

Uh.

And you were doing well too...

[Panopticon]

Town
Beeboy
Creature
Toranaga
Nero
Gork
Grey

Less Town
The Worst
Maybe Quick - I could easily make a case against this slot, but I don't really believe this will flip scum.

No Idea
Everyone Else

Slight Scumlean
Srceen - My gut says otherwise, but I feel like this post is unnecessarily nitpicky (and I feel like that's more of something scum might do). I'm also not getting good vibes from his hardtunnel on the Quick slot. So it's probably more appropriate to put him here even though

Sketchy
Ausuka
Cheeky

Scumleans
Brigand
Hopkirk - I'm not confident on this being scum, but I do get the placating, and I didn't really get the greatest vibes in his push on me (he didn't even answer my question to him). Feels a lot like 'poking and running away', if that makes any sense.

VOTE: Hopkirk

I don't like how you went out of your way to avoid mentioning us. You really must not like us or something.

Assuming roles are randomly distributed, surely you have as much chance of drawing scum as I do

This is particular seems like a weird thing to say.

I'm also not a fan.

who is CS?

Centipede Scum, who we're voting. It might be SC lol.

I'll move from elli when elli starts villaging. I have 0 sympathy for what people are calling 'memeing' on quick and inducing him to claim. that's just pro-scum play.

I didn't want his claim, I wanted him dead.

Spoiler: pocketed

VOTE: SCREENPLAY

CheekyTeeky(2) ~ Nero Cain(2)

That typo in the username.

What a flawless defense.

VOTE: CheekyTeeky

awww I was hoping my vote would redirect to a player.

Why would you think this would happen?

early reads are that creature is town, brian probably is too.

I think I'm being buddied.

^^^^ spiffeh

I can totally see brian's point of view in context here. just what exactly could warrant a townread from him? 3 empty as fuck posts and you're townread for it? it's suspicious.

I think Panopticon looks p. bad and no one is talking about them

It looks like they arbitrarily picked Creature and later Quick as scum reads, because I never really saw an explanation beyond quoting what someone else said and despite there being a lot of Quick content since they don't look like they've genuinely been evaluating his alignment.

And scum!Creature and scum!Quick are probably the two worst opinions to have in the game rn so

I've been asleep. Consider that I've never heard of either of these players, then gain some meta on me.
I'll even save you the trouble and recommend a game: Open 569

There's also this to consider:

you shouldnt apparently im scum because i had a scumread on quick and his entire ISO before engaging me was apparently obvtown.

Which I don't understand AT ALL. I know that obviously Gork is being sarcastic but I can't understand how anyone actually believes this shit, particularly "his entire iso before engaging me was obvtown". Shitposting doesn't make you town.

I think Panopticon looks p. bad and no one is talking about them

Get a wagon going on him and I'd back it.
I'd actually kind of like to see you off Brian and onto Hopkirk, personally, but Panopticon looks more interesting than Brian as a wagon to me also, which makes me wonder why you're spinning your wheels there.
I can't even recall the last point anyone really advanced much on him - though I'll admit 10 pages back only takes us to yesterday evening, but still

Refresh your stale read or move?

I'll admit that I'm not taking him seriously because he's not really interacting with me much.

wait quick are you a vt

wtf you said you'd claim earlier

Unauthentic.

claimclaimclaimclaimclaimclaimclaimclaim

you're a wolf

VOTE: centipede syndrome

centipede has spent the entire game going through the motions, doing interactions that are meaningless and pushing pro-scum early claims because elli doesn't care, because elli isn't very likely a villager.

I liked one chara post way back then but that's being override by the many wolfy elli posts.

Agreement.

Well damn, not sure how I missed this earlier. Looks like we might have ourselves a winner here.

VOTE: Centipede Syndrome

Don't worry, Quick, I will save a vote just for you tomorrow.

~The Observer