Newbie 1859 (Game Over)

[ofrhz]

I’ve said I don’t mind if town uses my flip to move on from their bad reads, but it’s be a pointless lynch if people don’t move on

[ofrhz]

Also that still doesn’t explain the sad emoji but ok

[ofrhz]

Like if you caught scum, I’d be happy regardless of why I was voting earlier

[Scioness Sajj]

Well sorry you don't understand

But what of it?

[ruru]

scioness- ruru’s townread on me was based on something I said in D1 I believe. I never had any reason to believe she had that strong of a townread on me. She can correct me if I’m wrong ofc.

I feel like the way you make mistakes is towny (and like, you don't try to retcon stuff in the way I think scum would) and you're often one to point out if someone is making an argument that you find questionable in an objective sense I guess? (skitter does also do this, fwiw)

So, I feel like you've been consistent at that and I don't really see scummy motives in your posts. I wouldn't call it a strong townread but it's also not just based on one post.

wait But even if NSG is scum, I think it’s easier to find her partner.

Yeah I've been wondering about that. If you're town and get lynched, we're reasonably likely to just lose or end up with NSG in 3way. I'm not sure if lynching you for information is really the play here...

[skitter30]

That everyone who has been in my poe list is either at L-1 at or putting that person at L-1 makes it seem super likely that this is a bus

You're tying people on the wagon to an ofrzh scumflip.

Please use logic to refute this from my pov

or acknowledge that I have reached a reasonable conclusion from my pov, and acknowledge that it isn't scummy.

Because coming to a logical conclusion when trying to determine who to lynch is not scummy

I can understand why you've reached that conclusion from your POV given your townreads, but I still think it's scummy.

Specifically because it feels like you're now expecting an ofrhz scumflip and are trying to plan for what happens after.

And the confidence of the scumread you're diplaying here - 'I think this is a bus' - doesn't really match how you're interacting with him or the wagon or the day's lynch: 'Not my favorite lynch, but better than a lot of other alternatives'; 'If we lynch you and you flip town, who do we look at afterwards?'.

And last night you were backing up his POV in his argument with scioness. Like how you're interacting with him doesn't really feel like you actually scumread him, even though you say you do.

[skitter30]

I'm vaguely wondering if I've been pocketed by scioness.

why so?

Oops, missed this.

Idk how to articulate this exactly. I feel like you agree with me a lot and back up my POV and kinda defend me to other people almost? Maybe I'm being paranoid though, idk.

Like people keep on saying that you're scummy but I just don't see it. But then I think that I gotta be going wrong somewhere cuz I have too many townreads, so I wonder if I'm wrong on you.

Like if *everyone* else says that I'm wrong, maybe I'm just wrong even though I don't see it.

[Oxy]

That everyone who has been in my poe list is either at L-1 at or putting that person at L-1 makes it seem super likely that this is a bus

You're tying people on the wagon to an ofrzh scumflip.

Please use logic to refute this from my pov

or acknowledge that I have reached a reasonable conclusion from my pov, and acknowledge that it isn't scummy.

Because coming to a logical conclusion when trying to determine who to lynch is not scummy

I can understand why you've reached that conclusion from your POV given your townreads, but I still think it's scummy.

Specifically because it feels like you're now expecting an ofrhz scumflip and are trying to plan for what happens after.

And the confidence of the scumread you're diplaying here - 'I think this is a bus' - doesn't really match how you're interacting with him or the wagon or the day's lynch: 'Not my favorite lynch, but better than a lot of other alternatives'; 'If we lynch you and you flip town, who do we look at afterwards?'.

And last night you were backing up his POV in his argument with scioness. Like how you're interacting with him doesn't really feel like you actually scumread him, even though you say you do.

@skitter
Please don't put words in my mouth. "I think this is a bus" and the lines that come afterward do not confer the nuance of my read. The below is simplified for ease of readings
1) When rereading Ofrhz I found good reasons to scum read him
2) These reasons did not contradict the reasons to town read him
3) so I had him as a null read
4) Anyone not a town read looks scummy by virtue of a small lynch pool
5) The three other people I've looked at for scum during D2 are all currently voting ofrhz
6) As you admit, that makes a bus seem likely
7) If Ofrhz is town, I'm doing town a service by asking him to give a solid list of reads near end of day so that we don't have to guess about who he was scum reading / town reading
8) If Ofrhz is scum, I'm demanding that he start spewing so we can analyze it.
9) Even if I was 100% sure he was scum, I'd probably ask him about tomorrow in a non-confrontational manner because to do otherwise would make it less likely for town!ohrhz to answer in a clear headed fashion, and because it would be easier for scum!ofrhz to avoid the question entirely by picking a fight with me.


If you start with the given that I am scum, then of course you can write a narrative where my actions look scummy

But for anyone who is trying to sort me, this is a smear job because all of this comes as easily (if not more easily) from a town slot.

[Oxy]

I feel like you agree with me a lot and back up my POV and kinda defend me to other people almost? Maybe I'm being paranoid though, idk.

This is definitely a thing that has happened. You are not paranoid.

It's actually part of the reason I'm not voting you.

The way Sajj interacts with you, coupled with my scum read on her, makes you less likely to be scum from my pov.

One of you is probably wrong!town on you, so my argument of "skitter is scum because that's the only way to explain reasoning this twisted and erroneous" is made weaker every time she acts scummy and/or defends you.

[ofrhz]

Lol Oxy is so town I can’t even

[skitter30]

You know, being talked out of a townread by my #1 suspect for scum and the guy I'm voting isn't suspicious at all, right?

I'm getting a lot of similar vibes to the end of mini 1963 tbh.

[ofrhz]

If I flip town, would you stop scumreading Oxy?

[skitter30]

No, it would probably reaffirm the read tbh.

If you flip town there's a smaller pool of possible scum, so everyone would kinda drop a level in the readslist by PoE/default.

[skitter30]

Don't really know why town!you should clear oxy tbh

[ofrhz]

...does my flip have any bearing on your read on Oxy whatsoever?

[skitter30]

Your townflip, no, not really.

IE your townflip by itself is not a reason to clear him imo; I don't see the connection between town!you and town!him. However, we're in LYLO/MYLO tomorrow if you flip town today so in that scenario I'd do my best to re-evaluate so I don't do something stupid like throw the game cuz I'm tunneled. I don't think your townflip inherently clears him, but it would put the game in a state where I'd do my best to re-evaluate from scratch.

You're a viable oxy partner though, so your scumflip would indeed reaffirm my scumread there. (Especially cuz I think he's expecting a scum!you flip).

If you're asking why I'm not voting him right now despite scumreading him no matter what you flip, it's cuz I tried that and it didn't get any traction.

[ruru]

If I flip town, would you stop scumreading Oxy?

No, it would probably reaffirm the read tbh.

You're a viable oxy partner though, so your scumflip would indeed reaffirm my scumread there.

[Scioness Sajj]

NSG COME HERE PLEASE WE NEED TO TALK TO YOU

[pinturicchio]

NSG COME HERE PLEASE WE NEED TO TALK TO YOU

[Assemblerotws]

Vote Count 2.11

ofhrz [3]:

skitter30, Scioness Sajj, pinturicchio [L-1]

Scioness Sajj [2]:

ruru, Oxy [L-2]

Not Voting [2]:

northsidegal, ofrhz

With

7

alive, it takes

4

to lynch.

Day ends in (expired on 2018-04-21 13:00:00) on

April 21, 2018

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northsidegal has been prodded.

[ofrhz]

Yeah basically what ruru just posted. I do think you’re tunneling hard but since it doesn’t mean much coming from me, maybe northsidegal can help.

[Scioness Sajj]

did you suspect that nsg can be scum?

[ofrhz]

Yes, less so than you and pin but I can’t rule her out

[ofrhz]

Skitter probably can’t be convinced by me, Oxy, or ruru into not scumreading Oxy, so I think northsidegal is pretty much the only person who can do that

[Scioness Sajj]

yeah, btw could you make a read list?