Sid Meier's Civilization 5 UPick Mafia (GAME OVER)

[Chara]

do you have games where Mark refused to backread? i remember Titus doing that in her games, but it's not something i remember associating with Mark.

[OnTheMark]

VOTE: OnTheMark

I never said my vote on you was because of your predecessor. I actually townread Titus for quite a while, and my opinion on her only started to change towards the end. Furthermore, -you- have acted distinctly scummy. You are a better player than the kind of player that would "Just go ahead and read what my slot said before I claim anything". I'm also fairly sure that you've got a history of outright -refusing- to backread on replacing in, which makes it suspicious that you would do it now imo. So instead of trying to claim my reads are for reasons they aren't in order to discredit them, start acting town or start prepping for the dead thread so far as I'm concerned.

1) I backread everything.
There was a small time I didn’t (gay mafia) because I was working a shit ton and the scum were like obvious to me.

2) just don’t try to meta me. You will fail.

A) Because I am town
B) Because as scum I make it a deliberate point that I am 100% unreadable by meta. Some say I always bus some day I never bus. Some say I am only town when scum and scum when town. Some say I obvTown every game. Trying to meta me.

3) “Acting town” has no significant. I don’t have to try to be town. I AM town.
I am on record with my reads and I am struggling to see how you avoiding the questions the thread has with a vote on me is “acting town”

Oh right taking care of the person who FoS’d you. That is protown. (Obvious sarcasm yet again)

[OnTheMark]

Sorry I've been away, got very busy. Tomorrow is D&D Night and I'll be mostly away from computer then too, but before and after I'll be here some. I didn't shoot last night, I'm out of shots. Didn't claim that yesterday in the hopes of drawing a scum NK, but I figure the information is more valuable to town now.

And I will believe this when pigs fly.

[Shaziro]

Sorry I've been away, got very busy. Tomorrow is D&D Night and I'll be mostly away from computer then too, but before and after I'll be here some. I didn't shoot last night, I'm out of shots. Didn't claim that yesterday in the hopes of drawing a scum NK, but I figure the information is more valuable to town now.

And I will believe this when pigs fly.

You realize that if I was SK, then I would have just claimed away my ability to kill, and therefore cost myself the game. Because if I ever killed somebody else, town would immediately go "Oh, hey, he lied. Scum." and I'd get lynched. Do you really think an SK would hobble themselves like that, rather than just shooting whoever town suggested they shoot and trying to squeak by that way? Or are you just trying to shade me because you don't want another effectively confirmed town around? I think the latter is far more likely.

Unless, of course, you were disbelieving that Tuesdays are my D&D nights, in which case...I mean, you're wrong, and I've said in -many- games that Tuesdays are my D&D nights, but at least that's a little less unreasonable?

[Joey_]

HEEY GUYS LOOK AT ME, IM AN ASSHOLE

Mark being sarcastic to his scumreads and calling them scum =/= being an asshole. can we not, please. :>

Joey: who do you mean?

i was thinking that too many ppl arent being active, but its not actually that true, we are just not that much left alive. Can you do me a favor and reread early game ? i need to find an anchor for my reads

[OnTheMark]

Sorry I've been away, got very busy. Tomorrow is D&D Night and I'll be mostly away from computer then too, but before and after I'll be here some. I didn't shoot last night, I'm out of shots. Didn't claim that yesterday in the hopes of drawing a scum NK, but I figure the information is more valuable to town now.

And I will believe this when pigs fly.

You realize that if I was SK, then I would have just claimed away my ability to kill, and therefore cost myself the game. Because if I ever killed somebody else, town would immediately go "Oh, hey, he lied. Scum." and I'd get lynched. Do you really think an SK would hobble themselves like that, rather than just shooting whoever town suggested they shoot and trying to squeak by that way? Or are you just trying to shade me because you don't want another effectively confirmed town around? I think the latter is far more likely.

Unless, of course, you were disbelieving that Tuesdays are my D&D nights, in which case...I mean, you're wrong, and I've said in -many- games that Tuesdays are my D&D nights, but at least that's a little less unreasonable?

No. Claiming vig as an SK is a gambit. I have seen many an SK win with that.

And no, there is such a thing as unlimited shot vigs in games.

You’re trying to paint me as unreasonable for suspecting you after you claimed unlimited shot vig and now that there are less kills that I am unreasonable when the egg is all over your face.

The facts are you lied in a game that quite easily could be broken by fucking mass claiming and looking over the kills as much as one kill shocked me you’re probably just an SK that targeted Almost50 because while it is a bad kill for scum it’s a great kill for an SK.

[Chara]

i was thinking that too many ppl arent being active, but its not actually that true, we are just not that much left alive. Can you do me a favor and reread early game ? i need to find an anchor for my reads

sure. i'm going to try a new approach Elli suggested. busy tonight but i'll see what i can in-between commitments.

i think there's a world where Shaziro is orange scum who made a risky gambit, but then Gamma would have to be scum too. i don't know if it's likely.

[Chara]

also, yes, i don't think Math has anything against backreading and Shaziro got mixed up with Titus.

Mark, do you have a read on me?

[brassherald]

I'm still here, by the way. Don't prod me.

[Jodaxq]

I'm still here too. Will be catching up throughout the day

I received a watch last night and used it on brass. No one visited

[OnTheMark]

also, yes, i don't think Math has anything against backreading and Shaziro got mixed up with Titus.

Mark, do you have a read on me?

I do you’re town. One of the few I have been able to say with good confidence. I’d be shocked if you were scum.

[OnTheMark]

i was thinking that too many ppl arent being active, but its not actually that true, we are just not that much left alive. Can you do me a favor and reread early game ? i need to find an anchor for my reads

sure. i'm going to try a new approach Elli suggested. busy tonight but i'll see what i can in-between commitments.

i think there's a world where Shaziro is orange scum who made a risky gambit, but then Gamma would have to be scum too. i don't know if it's likely.

Nah. I don’t think this is a thing.

Kinda more wondering how you got there to see if I am missing something?

[pidgey]

I think joda and joey are town for sure

Chara is still prob town

Brass town

Gamma im not sure, marshy might be town but it wouldnt be entirely weird for second team converter. Not counting on it at the moment

Klazam prob scum, otm more than likely scum based on his gameplay and claim. Ran might be acum but not aure.

Shaziro prob town. Bu i have no fkn clue but hes been scummy to me and seems to be setting me up for a lynch which i dont like

There, i solved the game. Bow down to the top dog, hombre!!!

[Gamma Emerald]

At this point id lynch OTM or Bu. Followed by klazam probably.

I'd rather keep OTM alive for a day cos doc is available today

[Gamma Emerald]

No. Claiming vig as an SK is a gambit. I have seen many an SK win with that.

No it's fucking not. If SK does that they make it so if there isn't any groupscum alive and games still going they're the first to go. Plus they have to kill targets a vig would viably target. So it's actually extremely limiting. I mean the wiki page for the role says claiming vig isn't optimal unless you've been watched or tracked.

[OnTheMark]

If it’s optimal by definition it isn’t a gambit.

Yes the gambit is limiting.

That doesn’t make it not a gambit.

You’re just pointing out the realities OF said gambit and then going “Not a gambit”.

It’s the same fucking thing that has me townread again and again in games. It’s because scum give people what they want. Town gives people what they need.

[OnTheMark]

Here I am giving people what they need. I could easily just go worship Brass for he is the IC bow at his feet! This game works by finding scum. Not by finding friends.

[OnTheMark]

I have true claimed n1 as scum in a PT and then directed every fucking night action to win what turned into a 2v17 with 24 hour posting. If I have done it others can do it as well. There is 0 reason for me to believe Shaziro is town right now.

[OnTheMark]

So anyone saying “Shaziro is town because Shaziro claimed” can go shove that ‘logic’ aside.

[Chara]

...none of that actually matters because Shaziro claims he can't shoot anymore.

Mark: the reason i considered it was because Shaziro could have just been carrying out the orange scum kill while claiming vigilante. and now that he doesn't have shots, there's no way to prove he had an independent kill at all.
but if Shaz is scum then Gamma would have to be the other, because it would be the only way to explain Elbirn's death.
it's a very risky gambit and i don't think it's likely based on my reads either, but i was thinking about it earlier.

[Chara]

first part of my post was to 4739 to be clear.

[Maestro]

WCU

World Congress

Voting for a Congress Host
(Day 4 - Update 7.1)

On Day 4, all players receive 3 delegates for assignment in the World Congress.
The Host receives an additional 3 delegates, for a total of 6 delegates.

World Congress resolutions may be affecting these numbers.

[6]

HEAL: HOST - brassherald

: BuJaber (3), Chara (3)

[0]

HURT: HOST - brassherald

:

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Spoiler: Delegates Not Cast (36)

brassherald

(

6

), Gamma Emerald (3), Klazam (3), OnTheMark (3), Shaziro (3), Joey_ (3),

pidgey

(

6

), Jodaxq (3), marshy (3), Ranmaru (3)

Spoiler: WC Notes

• [*]

  brassherald

  remains Host unless/until a new one is elected
  [*]

  Joey_

  was the runner up on Day 3

VCU

Votecount 4.1

[1]

Klazam

: marshy
[1]

OnTheMark

: Shaziro

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Spoiler: Not Voting

brassherald, BuJaber, Chara, Gamma Emerald, Klazam, OnTheMark, Joey_, pidgey, Jodaxq, Ranmaru

Spoiler: VC Notes

• With
  12
  alive, it takes
  7
  votes to lynch
  
• Deadline in (expired on 2018-05-01 00:00:00)
  
• Deadline on Tuesday, 1 May @ 12:00
  MIDNIGHT
  EDT

This is a test of a new update format. Let me know if you hate it.

[OnTheMark]

HEAL: brassherald

I see no reason why brass should not be host.

[Gamma Emerald]

do we still want joey as runner up?

[Joey_]

do we still want joey as runner up?

dont you? im honestly turning quite apathetic