Newbie 1859 (Game Over)

[ofrhz]

In retrospect, if skitter and I had managed to find common ground after the drixx wagon, this game gets won super fast

In retrospect, if I didn’t go completely derp and become sketchy af town d2, this game would’ve been easier. Oh well lessons learned! Thanks skitter for the guidance

[ofrhz]

How you retreated and didn’t want to confront people as if you didn’t want to attract that much attention, wanting all lurkers to post so you can narrow the field for your night investigation —- stuff like that made me think you were a pr

I'm curious how things will turn out if I roll VT because I do think most of this is personality for me

[skitter30]

In retrospect, if skitter and I had managed to find common ground after the drixx wagon, this game gets won super fast

Ye. A nice chunk of the game was the two of us tunneling on each other.

[ofrhz]

Oops, stupid phone. That’s interesting... probably will just be mislynched is my guess lol

[Scioness Sajj]

why did you kill mathdino, though?

[skitter30]

skitter was never antitown. skitter's game mvp imo

gg ruru and pin, you played well!

Eh, not really tbh. I got too tunneled. It was probably math.

Best thing I did this game was be stubborn on my townread on you.

[Mathdino]

can i post yet

[ruru]

why did you kill mathdino, though?

His meta thing would make him a really hard to lynch and pin thought he was PR

[Oxy]

I'm not a mod but I welcome dino input

[ofrhz]

^same!

[Mathdino]

all of you are awesome and i complained about this game a lot as a gimmick but i thought every player in this game was hilariously good, just in a old school 2014-MS kind of way

i would do IC style writeups but i literally did not read a few of your ISOs so that would probably not be entirely holistic

if you wanna play another game (outside of the newbie queue that is), Pick Your Poison is in signups in the open queue

[Mathdino]

i see that i seriously fucked up thinking pintu was legitimately trying to steer the end-of-day onto ruru

also lol NSG i'm not trusting your hard townreads again
i still have no idea what towntell you thought pintu dropped

[Oxy]

dino, at one point you said that you had a hard town read on ruru

was that true or just a part of your play at that time

[Oxy]

because it was your only strong read that you gave no info about and I was struggling with what to do with that

[ruru]

dino, at one point you said that you had a hard town read on ruru

was that true or just a part of your play at that time

For the record I was super paranoid that you were townreading me as a bluff and just waiting for me to screw up like all game, maybe a bit less over time

[ruru]

Okay, all good points. You did that iso of scioness I didn't want to do. I'm game for whatever direction you want to explore.

Things like this actually made me flip out

[Oxy]

lololol

I was kind of expecting you to more actively direct the game at that point

but then stuff happened and that thought escaped me

[Mathdino]

another example of how my townreads >>> my scumreads actually

Oxy did really well just in producing enough sheer content to be townread. The townread on ofhrz was solid, it was something I wasn't seeing but ended up right in the end. The scumtunnels were... less than ideal .

skitter, you literally called out Oxy for being a PR on day 1 and then continued tunneling him D2 . I didn't wanna make it too obvious that a huge part of my townread was his PR softclaim, but I do think he townslipped. You also did well in producing enough content that would just be impossible for scum-skitter-without-RC to produce (I will admit your game with RC really threw me off in evaluating your scumrange.
I'm really surprised we haven't played together on individual accounts outside of this game before. Should remedy that.
And yeah, there were a few times where you spewed a little TOO much. But that did end up being a towntell down the line.

NSG please pay more attention to the game . You were practically an innocent child by my read alone. The world was your oyster!

Scioness, sorry for the whole "she played a good scumgame that one time therefore she is omnipotent". That happens a lot to people, haha. I'm not entirely sure why you checked NSG since, going by your D2 logic, my read was good enough there anyway, but I can also see you making up that logic to justify your inno result.

I think Scioness, Oxy, and skitter got a liiiittle too caught up in 1v1s without realising how the dynamic might
- hurt town's ability to read into things
- allow scum to hide on the sidelines (as they did this game)
So always be willing to reevaluate! I get flak sometimes for changing my mind all the time but sometimes there's that one post that scum just CAN'T make, and you figure out what kinds of posts those are as you go on.
Oxy made a couple of those posts. skitter made it with asking to be lynched. Scioness's AtE was, while definitely blargh AtE, outside of her scumrange.

[Oxy]

but also I thought that the night kill really implicated both ofrhz and sajj and that was hard for me to get away from

because dino being alive leads to either the cop claim or an ofrhz mislynch like every time

[Oxy]

That seems like an excellent analysis, dino.

I appreciate it

[Mathdino]

dino, at one point you said that you had a hard town read on ruru

was that true or just a part of your play at that time

That was me being lazy, honestly. I was having trouble getting through the ISOs and I was to some extent sheeping you I think.

The only reads I was able to get locks on were my own slot, yours (I ISO'd you right after replacing in), NSG's (I thought she was playing her disengaged scumgame but I recalibrated and locked her), and skitter's (that was near the end of D1). If it doesn't look like I'm
- putting in a lot of effort
- having incredible amounts of confidence
the read is probably me going off of incomplete information .

There are a lot of times where I come up with a hard read and never change it out of laziness and then go back and actually read their ISO and am like "hmmmm wait a second".

I was a good kill I think. Not for my scumreads (my scumreads were awful, I was cheering for a Scioness/ofhrz lynch in the dead thread the whole time), but because I would've defused the skitter/Oxy 1v1 and stonewalled both lynches. I probably would've gone after Scioness, gotten the cop claim, then gone after ofhrz, and THEN dug into pintu/ruru the following day.

Massclaim the day before LyLo is generally good, was surprised you guys didn't do that sooner.

[Oxy]

Massclaim the day before LyLo is generally good, was surprised you guys didn't do that sooner.

my thoughts: huh. I wonder if mass claiming would be good here. maybe we shouldn't have lynched the IC..."

[Mathdino]

pintu, good job fooling NSG. I did not read your ISO at all because of that

ruru, you played the newbscum-looking-like-newbtown card super well. I'm also excited to see what you look like as town.

ofhrz, I did not read your ISO, sorry

[ruru]

If I had posted this would it have gotten me lynched

There is an idea to massclaim VT or not-VT (please do not actually do this now, I'm not sure if it's any good).

The benefit of doing this over claiming roles is that if we're in B3 or C3 then scum can't just shoot the doctor. And I think massclaiming roles is not hugely beneficial unless there's an incriminating investigative result (which it sounds like there isn't today) anyway because scum are going to give whatever info helps them win the game.

If we're in A3 there's no real benefit because of roleblock. If we're in A1/B1/C1 there's also no real benefit.

If 3 players claim VT, we should lynch SS. Then we lynch in the other non-VT claims.
If 4 players claim VT, we are in C1 or one is scum. At least one scum is in the non-VT claims, so we should lynch one of them (probably not SS) giving significantly better than 33% to hit scum.
If 5-6 players claim VT, we are in C1 or two are scum. We should lynch in the VT claims.

I'm not sure if this actually improves our winrate but I don't think it's particularly high right now to begin with having 2 town dead and no red checks? I would like to hear others' thoughts on this

[Oxy]

yes, it probably would have