Gunner Mafia [Endgame]

[Hopkirk]

oops

[Gorkington]

@chara

, can you walk me through grey is one of your top townreads like im dumb?

[Hopkirk]

that was for another game

[Ausuka]

IDK about thor, I'm not good at reading players like him, but I don't think he's been scummy, and I think I remember reading that he was playing to his town meta, so I wouldn't be comfortable lynching thor today. Nero is towny, the arrogance (maybe this isn't the best word to describe what he's been doing, but I don't know what to say instead) and aggressiveness feels like town!nero. I would lynch pan before greyice.

[Nero Cain]

Can you give me an outside perspective on Thor (Nero preferably)?

I've been skimming him, I'll iso in a bit.

vote Grey with me plox.

[Hopkirk]

VOTE: Greyice

[Ausuka]

wait, I thought that post was asking me to give reads on thor and nero, since I was the last one who posted. sorry if I interpreted that wrong.

[Spiffeh]

I'm not understanding the 2nd question? Does me pointing that out take away it's relevance? Maybe but I doubt scum is afraid of my opinion atm or even bothered with it at all. I highly doubt that statement keeps scum from doing that.

Yeah if scum know that that is something you're paying attention to wouldn't that already make that information useless because they know to be wary of it?

I just see that post as way more beneficial for scum than for town: Town would probably keep that quiet and actually see if anything interesting comes from it and announcing it completely defeats the purpose. Scum would say something like that to make it look like they're doing something when they're actually not.

Also please answer this:

i like centipede. i'll be using his reads as a basis and i'll be going back to make sure there's valid reasoning behind the reads.

Hi, you previously hopped on a cent wagon with no reasoning and now you seem to town read them enough to use their reads as a baseline.

Can you explain why you initially thought Centipede was scummy and what made you change your mind?

[Gorkington]

spiff can you expand on where your head is at right now wrt pan and grey?

[Tchill13]

I hopped on centi just to hop on centi. I usually play day 1s without much actual reasoning behind my moves. Just to see what happens kinda thing.

Centipede did a breakdown on reads and explained them in a manner I felt that he was town. So I started there.

[Gorkington]

didnt you say that you thought centipede was genuinely scummy though?

[Spiffeh]

Ok what about the way they did that felt town to you? If possible please cite certain posts.

[Tchill13]

I'm sure I did. Idk why I did.

I agreed with the thought process. I'll have to go back and look.

[Tchill13]

You have to understand I was watching him talk about slots Ik little to nothing about. His CASES made sense.

[Spiffeh]

What post are you referring to?

[Tchill13]

i looked at chill. i don't really have much of an opinion there. personally he's on the townish side of null. and yes, he's so damn scummy and is doing absolutely nothing to rectify that, so the fact that there's a wagon on him doesn't surprise me at all. he could be scum, sure. he's not even here right now and said he's resetting, so am i supposed to interact with him? interact with the wagon? every vote on chill is justified because he's scummy, so there's nothing i find particularly interesting to look at.

and no, like i keep saying, Elli doesn't have time for this game for the rest of the day. he doesn't have an opinion.

pedit: well, meta isn't

that

reliable.

to clarify with the above post, chill being objectively scummy and lynchable is different from my thinking he's nullish. knowing nothing at all about chill my first guess based on his hypocritical reaction to Toranaga would be townish.

Then I just went with his reads from one point. Yes he actually opens the door to the possibility I'm town and yes that's why I looked at his reads.

[Spiffeh]

spiff can you expand on where your head is at right now wrt pan and grey?

GreyICE is just a bunch of different gut reasons that culminate into an overall town lean

I found the way in which he approached the criticisms people had about him not looking at his role PM to be town. I feel like he would be better off just letting Quick bury himself/spam the thread if he were scum, but he advocates for his policy lynch multiple times which not only brings a lot of attention to himself but matches the frustration he claimed to have had when everyone was spamming. I liked the way he approached Brigand Vvulf's Nero read to be because Brigand Vvulf was basically an enigma at that point and I feel that letting him continue to be unhelpful would have suited scum!GreyICE more than the potential credit he'd get for actually engaging with him.

It's not like any of this couldn't be faked by scum!GI, I just feel like it's not.

Pan I suspected earlier on mostly because I thought tn was actually Varsoon and I figured Varsoon would know better than to have Creature and Quick as scum reads. They also fit the "engaging with Quick unnecessarily" category which I'm sketched out by Ausura for but til that point tn had been consistently scum reading Quick so it makes more sense coming from him. I haven't paid much attention to them since because tn is a chronic quote-waller and I can't be bothered to recontextualize myself ten times in one post, and I haven't really read your ~case~ on them so I should probably take a look at their more recent posts after my class!

[Spiffeh]

Then I just went with his reads from one point. Yes he actually opens the door to the possibility I'm town and yes that's why I looked at his reads.

Ok, but I recall Centipede not explaining reads like at all (see: Maria) so I don't get what was so compelling about the way they 'explained' them when I don't even think any explanations exist?

[Tchill13]

Quick: assuming Nero is town, from a scum Hopkirk pov i'd call it an attempt at buddying/getting Nero to ease up on the scumread. but it could also be a genuine opinion from town Hopkirk.
i mean, players are allowed to townread Nero for things besides meta. is it that the read is too early in general?

pedit: hahaha. i don't know why that post is so funny. i should really fill in the gaps of what i've read re: when Quick's read on Nero changed.

I like this too but it's after I started up again I do believe

[Gorkington]

vote: pan

obaby its time for a scum wagon.

[Tchill13]

Look. I sat down opened the game. Centi just posted reads. I isoed centi. Didn't seem stupid and had a reason for a thing or two I thought made sense so I just went with it.

[Spiffeh]

UNVOTE:

[Gorkington]

ii) "I've fully scumclaimed with gif related before, so, ah, I'm really feeling like there's scum between tortuga and nochill." - which basically means because tora posted a gif joking about scumclaiming, that means for some reason one of tchill and tora is scum? which really makes absolutely no sense.

spiff i honestly think this point alone is worth a pan wagon.

theres no reason he should be adding fuel onto tchill for this and it just doesnt seem like something that anyone would actually genuinely believe.

[Gorkington]

actually i might be dumb, he might just be saying both are scum for different reasons.
context of previous post kind of makes that more likely.

his confidence level does not match his reasoning though.
>.>

[Brigand Vvulf]

it seems like several people pointed out nero is town based on meta; meta is krap but due diligence gotta be paid i suppose

Elli isn't a paragon nom because he uses a machine every single game. you realize that, right? if this wasn't an organic read he would have told me that.
VOTE: Maria

could it be... the alphaGO of mafia?

I, for one, welcome our new bot overlord

tbf, he is town through meta.

based on meta i'd say nero isn't as analytical as some of his town games, but he did start to give off town vibes since my push

(the ausuka's creature townread should be fairly obvious so what are you even doing poking your nose there?)

I still have no fuck what the clue this is? Yes, Creature town read

WAS

obvious. That's why it was a little that Tor was giving Asuka flak for town reading Creature so early. Like are you just coming to your friend's defense here b/c I don't think you really get it?

i dont even know tora lol i found him pretty transparently towny so that automatically creates bias for me when im reading your back and forth, if that makes sense to you

tchill seems pretty town since he came back