Gunner Mafia [Endgame]

[Brigand Vvulf]

eh, i can buy the panop read
there was this odd post back then, he seemed in a rush trying to push the lynch through without really giving tchill a chance to town it up

yes, I agree that tchill is comparatively more scummy than nero, and the ISOs will faithfully reflect this, but the reason I'm less inclined to lynch tchill is largely due to the fact that it is a low information lynch because few people have had real interactions with him, namely toranaga and you. We can always lynch tchill later on if this doesn't not change but he is a small fish in a large pond

On the other hand, it's actually better to get it out of the way now. If he's scum, he's marked by his team as lynch bait and they will change how they interact with him, which will give us less information than flipping him today. I also agree with GreyICE that the only good scum is a dead scum.

VOTE: panopticon

[Randomnamechange]

well well well what do we have here
UNVOTE:

[Brigand Vvulf]

you've made a terrible mistake

[Randomnamechange]

have I? in what?

[Nero Cain]

i dont even know tora lol i found him pretty transparently towny so that automatically creates bias for me when im reading your back and forth, if that makes sense to you

It does but its pretty surface lvl stuff "u must b scum since you r arguing with my town read."

[Quick]

i would be super happy if someone could pull some meta for tchill when hes getting pushed as town and scum.
i know team mafia whiteflag is an easy example of town him getting put into the gallows pretty early on,
so would be pretty interested in seeing anyone else's assessment of whether his performance here looks like an extension of and/or similiar to his play here.

This looks like Town Chill kinda but this is not a hard read. He has a reasonably good Scum game (that I have seen twice). As Scum he tends to push things that are easy to push, not seeing that here. Also, as Scum he makes very convenient stances based on how people are reading him.. If someone is TRing him, he will probably TR them for example and his read change depending on other people's reads when he is Scum.

All that said (and I was in the game he was in in Team Mafia) I don't think his push on Ausuka is very AI but if it is, it's Townie. Plus just before this he misunderstood what Ausuka was saying about him which I cannot see him doing as Scum as often. So I am more inclined to think Chill is Town here.

[Brigand Vvulf]

i dont even know tora lol i found him pretty transparently towny so that automatically creates bias for me when im reading your back and forth, if that makes sense to you

It does but its pretty surface lvl stuff "u must b scum since you r arguing with my town read."

that's not what i meant

[MariaR]

Who do we want sorted most

[Nero Cain]

grey

[Nero Cain]

go all Hannibal Lector and eat him.

[MariaR]

I'll do you one better Nero and fix your little grey issue if other people agree on it

[Centipede Syndrome]

@everyone:

it's a meta tell. and I use that in a much stricter sense than "I skimmed every game they played and saw some arbitrary playstyle based patterns".
par usual I don't out meta tells for obvious reasons.

when I have time i can try and make up some normie reasons for ppl but we'll see :shrug:
I actually probably already have something with regards to that but I don't feel like posting them now because she'll reply to argue and I don't want to deal with that kek.

[Randomnamechange]

can anyone give me a rundown of the game so far?

[Nero Cain]

tchill gets wagoned>>>>im kinda a counter wagon>>>u show up>>>>now Pan is getting wagoned.

[Hopkirk]

People pushed a few people including Quick and regretted it because those were bad pushes.
There's a kind of big wagon on Tchill.
We're voting GreyIce then lynching Panoptican.
A powerful algorithm has MariaR as scum.
Lots of people are towny which is good.
Claiming might be punished.
Your slot was very town.

[Hopkirk]

Go for the daykill MariaR.

[Gorkington]

kind of think scummaria goes for claim reasons to defend herself rather than calling out elli's push.

[MariaR]

eli isn't pushing me.

[Centipede Syndrome]

@everyone:

it's a meta tell. and I use that in a much stricter sense than "I skimmed every game they played and saw some arbitrary playstyle based patterns".
par usual I don't out meta tells for obvious reasons.

when I have time i can try and make up some normie reasons for ppl but we'll see :shrug:
I actually probably already have something with regards to that but I don't feel like posting them now because she'll reply to argue and I don't want to deal with that kek.

kind of think scummaria goes for claim reasons to defend herself rather than calling out elli's push.

[Nero Cain]

if she kills Grey I'll sheep her this whole game.

[Centipede Syndrome]

i didn't mean to press post lmao

delete all but the last line of the first quote and then add some snarky sentence about how gork gets to deal with the arguing now

[Gorkington]

i mean im still more down to lynch panoptic atm
if maria doesnt want to fight people pushing her then im not going to force a wagon on her when its going to be difficult when i know for a fact i can make a pan wagon and i feel more confident about it

so there!

[MariaR]

Meta doesn't work on me it's why I'm ignoring elis push. It's not even a push. They're prob town I just need Chara to post more and I'll get a read on that slot I've never been wrong don't plan to start now. Why should I be worried when there's nothing to meta me on or it being incorrect.

[Centipede Syndrome]

i mean im still more down to lynch panoptic atm
if maria doesnt want to fight people pushing her then im not going to force a wagon on her when its going to be difficult when i know for a fact i can make a pan wagon and i feel more confident about it

so there!

I don't think it'll be difficult, I think there are like 7 or so people here who just sheep me.
With some exceptions my reads outside of her are kinda a garbled mess atm though hence why I'm not calling for the deathblow yet zzz.

[MariaR]

Keeping up with this game is more a pain then it is enjoyable but I do enjoy certain things like one on one debates so hopefully we get those going soon. Or we wagon Bins my only confident read. If you wanna wagon me by all means go for it