Newbie 1863: Rugby - Game Over

[teacher]

Not sure how you're null on JB and Thor? Like they had a big long conversation with a lot of potential alignment moments. If your reads are all "slight" anyawy, seems like you ought to have something on one of them by now?

Not loving how you're still in continual excuse-mode, either.

1. Re: Thor - I'll echo AD. I find Thor impossible to read. I agree with most everything he has said, including in the JB fight, which makes me want to town him. But I did a little reading on him and didn't have feelings from those games. I think he is just a very experienced player. Thus, I cant trust my gut to like him because that could be experienced mafia blending in.

2. Re: JB - like I said, I found the chat mechanics annoying, but slightly townish. I found the early love affair between him and nauci a little scummish for a point where we dont have much info (and when I thought nauci was mostly noise). Here, its null because I have conflicting reads, and dont know what to make of how often he has moved votes. My gut leans scum, but I see enough countervailing townish points, including his active participation and encouragement of discussion.

3. Re:Continual excuse - I am a lawyer so perhaps longwinded. If something is questioned, I explain it. I have done it for everything -- questions of my actions and votes, and questions of my reads (like here, and Meji, and TGP). It probably is a hangover from an old play-style, and it is something I will be conscious of more in future games, though it is my natural inclination in life anyway.

[mhsmith0]

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DirtyDishSoap (1)

James Brafin ,

James Brafin (2)

Thor665 , Irrelephant11 ,

teacher (2)

Flicker , DirtyDishSoap ,

Nauci (1)

Meji Fan ,

TheGoldenParadox (2)

teacher , Nauci ,

Thor665 (1)

TheGoldenParadox ,

Day one deadline is Wednesday April 25th, 9 PM PST. (expired on 2018-04-25 21:00:00)

With 9 alive it takes 5 to lynch!

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[Meji Fan]

Eh, I might like Nauci less now, but Nauci is still my favorite, my next favorite is teacher, but teacher is all tangled with Nauci as well

I am leaning town on JB, he has produced a lot of sound and fury, like Nauci, but it seems much more actually directed

[mhsmith0]

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[mhsmith0]

Oxe

Oxy replaces dirtydishsoap effective immediately

[Oxy]

Okay, first of all, I'm not an oxe.

from wiktionary,

oxe c - an ox; a neutered bovine bull, typically used as a beast of burden

[Oxy]

Thanks <3

[Oxy]

This game looks like a ton of fun

There was some stuff about tracker claims (i'm not a fan)

Then there was some stuff about formatting (I prefer not-walls)

And then the walls began, and I stopped reading. I doubt I'll ever read them.

Can someone give me a tl;dr for anything game relevant that has occured?

[Oxy]

So I have a theory that I want some other eyes on: What if Thor and JB are scum together? Itw ould explain some early weirdness.
[snip]
tl;dr It just kinda feels like they're disagreeing for the sake of disagreeing, not because either one thinks the other could be scum.

Obviously, odds are I'm wrong. But man, wouldn't it be fun if I called it day 1 my first game? Any thoughts?

I did read this one tho, and the elephant is town.

[Oxy]

Greetings all. I am travelling through Sunday so have less time to quote and comment than I would like. Certainly looks like at least some will be active chatters, which is helpful for outing information - something that always helps town. I also like the RVS.

VOTE: nauci

Its an RVS for me, and one I am doubting, because of the silence so far. But there it is anyways. Happy weekend everyone.

UNVOTE: nauci

Still travelling though tomorrow night USA time so will be brief. My vote was knowing it would be L-2. I figured it would either prompt some mafia to bandwagon or to speak up in defence if he was maf. Neither really happened though James did speak. As for silence, that’s what I meant - not Nauci but others not defending him or creating another wagon.

Look forward to reading tomorrow.

OK, so a number of people (Nauci 65, Irrelephant 64; James 45; Flickr 57; Meji 40) have questioned my voting pattern. For me, it was a question of LA/vacationing.

Initial vote

: I voted knowing it was L-2, to force info on whether anyone would bandwagon or defend. Then again, I could be accused of wagonning myself. I explained this in 59, and it remains the same.

Unvote

: TBH, I was a little drunk on vacation. I thought 24 hours had passed since my initial vote. I hadnt seen any information come from that vote, and the publication of an actual vote count made it less likely to come after that. Turns out my drunk self was wrong on time and less had passed than I thought, though there was a votecount. My unvote was also partially a reaction to Meji 40 and Flickr 57 questioning my vote (Nauci 65 is correct on that). Basically I decided the vote wasnt helping get more information and was hurting me.

I dont blame people for being suspicious of me because I was so inactive. I hope the detailed and content based post 66 helps with that. But theres my explanation FWIW. BTW, as an out of game comment in case it doesnt get said elsewhere, good luck with your medical issues Nauci.

looked at teacher iso

I can see why someone might scum read him

He's super LAMIST-y, but he's new so that's NAI

And his first reads post on everyone is looking at associations, which is probably bad!town, but that post, and like the 8 that follow are also town.

[Oxy]

oooops, sorry quotes

[Oxy]

james brafin is town - this is absurd argument for scum to be making against an IC if they know it is false.

And the case is absolutely without merit.

[Oxy]

I know it's easy to let scum hide when everyone is screaming at each other over dumb things

but Flicker is scum and should be the lynch today

[Oxy]

VOTE: Flicker

[Oxy]

@Nauci - I wish you all the best with regards to your health issues =(

But I have no idea how to read someone in pain, and/or on heavy pain meds, either =/

This would be a good slot to solve mechanically.

Other thoughts:
Thor has been under a lot of nonsensical pressure, which makes it difficult to read him (one defends bad cases similarly as both town and scum because, well, they are bad.)

meji's few posts don't ping well with me, but i need more

and I guess we're looking for a player for golden's slot.

Deadline is in 6 days, so we've got some work to do here, folks.

[Thor665]

Thor - who do you think my top scum read is? Are you being obtuse? Who I'm voting for is a hint.

Your vote on Nauci was done super early and claimed 'lack of content' as the issue.
Since then the game is no longer super early and also Nauci has posted quite reasonable levels of content.
Even when I asked you to state your top scum read you...kind of don't seem to suspect Nauci anymore, even though you're leaving your vote there.
So I'm not sure why I shouldn't be confused as to your current stance.

Do you still think Nauci is scummiest for posting early and not saying much during Page 1?
No one else has done anything equally or more scummy since then?

@Meji Fan - would still like this answered.

If you intend not to answer the question tell me - otherwise I'll just keep quoting it.

[Thor665]

Can someone give me a tl;dr for anything game relevant that has occured?

Everything is potentially game relevant - so the only way to answer that is with a wall.
Why'd you read some walls and not others?

@Mod - pretty sure you'd do this anyway, but just so the new players can see this done so they know it's an option in future games.
I'd like to request a deadline extension due to the combo of lurk and replacements we're undergoing.
Since it's me I'd like it to be a moderate extension - as I do think long days can be anti-town and lead to more replacements, but we assuredly deserve something like an additional 48 hours from the last replacement.

Thanks!

[Meji Fan]

I answered it. If you think it's not an answer ask a better question.

[Oxy]

Why'd you read some walls and not others?

I'm only so much of a masochist~~

When I asked for a tl;dr, I was hoping to interact with someone then.

But since no one was up, I did look through a few isos

[Oxy]

@everyone Here are some scummy things Flicker has posted so far. Please engage me on this read.

Spoiler:

Hey, all!

VOTE: James Brafin, partly as a policy lynch because of his posting style, partly because I don't like anyone who has that much confidence on a read this early.

I thought about sheeping Nauci's vote on teacher, but decided I don't feel comfortable sheeping anyone just yet. I do agree with her and Meji Fan that his vote is questionable. I also don't see how there's anything to like (or dislike) about RVS.

VOTE: teacher

Nobody seems eager to follow my James vote, so I'm finally confident enough to put my vote here.

Great. Now more people vote for James? Rude.

I'll move back to voting James if that's the consensus lynch we can get, but for now I'd like to get teacher today and see what tomorrow brings. Unless something drastically changes, I'd rather not move my vote otherwise. In particular, I thought about sheeping Nauci and voting TGP, but teacher's also on TGP and I don't want to be on a wagon with my current strongest scum read.

None of this makes sense from a town perspective. People are voting someone she is confident is scum, but she doesn't want to move her vote back there, but she considered moving her vote to someone completely different because sheeping.

A) I also read (and still do) Nauci as town.

Very last post called Nauci null and opined about the possibility of a Nauci scum team.

[Oxy]

In post 120, Flicker wrote:
I'll move back to voting James if that's the consensus lynch we can get, but for now I'd like to get teacher today and see what tomorrow brings. Unless something drastically changes, I'd rather not move my vote otherwise. In particular, I thought about sheeping Nauci and voting TGP, but teacher's also on TGP and I don't want to be on a wagon with my current strongest scum read.

None of this makes sense from a town perspective. People are voting someone she is confident is scum, but she doesn't want to move her vote back there, but she considered moving her vote to someone completely different because sheeping.

Looking back again, she didn't think james was particularly scummy. On first glance that makes this less scummy, but it also brings up another question. Why did she explain her vote switch by saying, "since nobody wants to follow my vote"? That makes it sound as if she is happy with lynching james, but just can't get the support. And if that's the case, town would have pushed the read.

[Irrelephant11]

Wow do this many replacements normally happen in newbie games? Sorta discouraging. Hopefully after the first day the player list will soplidify...

Hi Oxy! Welcome. I'll engage with your read. Interesting that DDS's only town read, really, was Flicker, and now she's your only scum read. If anyone knows how aligment-indicative that is, please let me know. I can't decide what iti would mean.

Looking through her ISO, my good feelings on Flicker mostly hold up. Then again, she and I have had pretty similar reads (and she's said nice things for/about me), which could mean I'm getting manipulated by scum.

Also, are walls just long posts? What constitutes a wall? If it is long posts, since we don't have many pages of posts, why not just read the long posts as if they're multiple posts? You can just pretend everyone's double posting and we have 14 pages for you to read

[Oxy]

Also, are walls just long posts? What constitutes a wall? If it is long posts, since we don't have many pages of posts, why not just read the long posts as if they're multiple posts? You can just pretend everyone's double posting and we have 14 pages for you to read

I enjoy reading, so this isn't about being lazy.

Your average mafiascum player isn't a professional writer, and people tend to use ten sentences where they could have used one.

Additionally, when people aren't trying to be concise, they often include the weakest aspects of their arguments. This gives scum more things to latch onto and pick apart.

Can you quote me a couple of things from Flicker's ISO that you think are most likely to come from town rather than scum?

[Irrelephant11]

Also wow we're closer to day end than day beginning and things feel... stalled.

Meji, Your ISO is
"Nauci is bad,
Teacher why are you voting Nauci,
James, Nauci is bad,
Nauci is bad, not sure about Elephant,
Nauc, you're bad,
Thor, Nauci is bad,
Nauci and Teacher are bad, JB is good,
Thor, I answered your question about Nauci."
Can you make a post about some reads without mentioning Nauci? What do you think about me, or Flicker, or Thor, or you know, anyone other than Nauci?

Then, after you've made that post, can you separately clarify for me: is your scum read on Nauci based solely on the number of Nauci posts in the first two pages that don't have much helpful content? Does that usually help you find scum?

pedit: Will do later, gotta be afk.

[mhsmith0]

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