NEWBIE 1858: MEDICAL MAFIA (fin)

[Shattiel]

I agree with Shat, just vote, this is pointless

[Draynth]

I'd prefer to wait for them to make their minds up thanks

so you're just gonna go with the flow?
That's oppurtunistic

So me wanting to wait to play the day out is opportunistic but you not voting wheme isn't?

Alright if people want me to
VOTE: Shattiel

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[Shattiel]

I'd prefer to wait for them to make their minds up thanks

so you're just gonna go with the flow?
That's oppurtunistic

So me wanting to wait to play the day out is opportunistic but you not voting wheme isn't?

Alright if people want me to
VOTE: Shattiel

L-1

How are those two even connected..

Wheme is already outed at that time..
And you you're just waiting who people would vote.

[Shattiel]

Regardless of NM's well explained and logical case I think this is where I was leaning anyway.

also you need to elaborate on this one you can't be sheeping NM with a non existent reason

@Draynth
I hope you would answer this one this time

[Bins]

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Shattiel

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Not_Mafia, Draynth

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Not_Mafia

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Shattiel

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Not Voting

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Rei, schadd_

With

5

alive, it's

3

to lynch.

Day 3

ends in

(expired on 2018-04-21 18:00:00)

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[Draynth]

I'd prefer to wait for them to make their minds up thanks

so you're just gonna go with the flow?
That's oppurtunistic

So me wanting to wait to play the day out is opportunistic but you not voting wheme isn't?

Alright if people want me to
VOTE: Shattiel

L-1

How are those two even connected..

Wheme is already outed at that time..
And you you're just waiting who people would vote.

Fair enough about there being a difference given Wheme was outed
The reasoning is the same though; wanting to give people time to sort out what they wanna do, no?

Regardless of NM's well explained and logical case I think this is where I was leaning anyway.

also you need to elaborate on this one you can't be sheeping NM with a non existent reason

@Draynth
I hope you would answer this one this time

Where did I say I was sheeping NM lol

[Draynth]

Wait I'm dumb you would've been the hammer

[schadd_]

Will post schadd stuff later

To everyone, who would you be ok with lynching today. We don't have a whole lot of time left and nolynching should generally be avoided d1

my answer is in my today's 2'nd post.
and who do you want to lynch? I don't remember you saying much about that

No idea as of right now, I really don't have any reads strong enough to vote upon. I haven't ISO'd schadd yet so perhaps he'll be added to that list, I don't know

Spoiler:

Schadd also started talking about how he didn't think I was town at a similar time to when ejj started scumreading me. He has had little to no actual content outside of this.
I'd be happy with a wagon on him

VOTE: Schadd

at some point somebody asked for my full reads and i gave them

at this point i see no evidence that dray had ejji as particularly confident town (other than maybe the fact that, in the argument they had for rather a while, dray at no point seemed to scumread ejji from it and mostly seemed interested in trying to get ejji to stop scumreading him)

though the idea here seems to be "ejji is a town leader and schadd is coinciding with him" which thus seems to be much more natural to come from scum

[schadd_]

Right, anyway. How likely is it that ejj is scum after all and was ccing to force the soul lynch if he is indeed a VT

also in light of this

just seems unlikely that one's intuition is to suppose ejji is town and notice a push i made at a similar time as them, then doubt that he is town when he ccs doc (and in 3 out of 4 setups there is no need for scum to cc doc anyway since you can just shoot them - except when scum has roleblocker it's just 1 of 2; note that there is in fact a roleblocker)

[schadd_]

Because Wheme has a guilty. u srs?

oh right, I legitimately thought Espeo was joking hah

@Espeonage.
Just to make sure you can't back out, you are indeed saying you got a night result confirming Wheme as scum?

i guess it's just hard for me to imagine parsing 684 as a joke

whereas i could imagine being scum and thinking "o fuck that's a guilty" but then wanting to not seem informed that wheme was in fact scum

[schadd_]

N1 Espeo

oh yeah i saw this at some point and thought it was interesting and forgot

i assume this is a soft inno on esp? as is the habit on certain other sites

what was your reasoning for this

[schadd_]

motherfuck i went through and got a multiquote with a trackpad twice and they both just fucked off and died

[schadd_]

people have continued to post today which is good and sometimes people don't do that on d3

however i have spoken of about none of it

[@Bins]
Schadd hasn't posted in 10 days, any update?

that sounds like something i would do

if he does looks genuine in lynching me then he wouldve made a convincing case why I'm scum..

oh right you are new to this website aren't you

you just townread both of them earlier..

when ejji said me and 2crea cant be a team
seems strange since ejji might've town read us, but he didnt actually know if we're good or not, there's always a possibility of him being wrong

from this (and the rest of the post) i'm cool with locking rei town and not thinking about it. ok that's done

barely any interactions with 2create in general, some evils like to interact a lot with their partners while others avoid them
the only mention of 2crea he did was saying he town read him "but not that strong"
makes me wonder since 2crea was one of the more active players at the start, so why didnt you try interacting with him more

i mean, i pointed stuff out whenever i found it worth talking about

i guess i kind of didn't read some of his posts all the way

Sigh, if shatt flips town here I'm policy lynching you regardless of whether you're scum or not.

whut

(

For the sake of everyone's sanity

avoid

posting a massive wall wherever possible please

)

ok i knew there was someone still alive for whom i was doing this

my habit is usually a big ol' wall with a bunch of quotes in it but this style also makes my post count bigger which is always a plus

Like I don't mind them if they're not a big mess, but for example Shatt's response to Rei on the last page was a pain to go through because it wasn't formatted.
I completely understand that walls are somewhat unavoidable, but I said this at a point in the game where I felt that it was avoidable.
It's a selfish thing to ask though, I get that

i'm fine with whatever dw about it

Maybe it's just me but pre flip I rarely look for associations like this.
Could be a personal gameplay thing but it's rarely useful to do so and it's the type of thing scum like to fake to appear townie in my experience

meernhnh i guess one doesn't especially have reason to lie about experiencial stuff like that but like, do you really not see town doing preflips often

I see it all the time and think it's pointless.
Why bother wasting so much time and energy thinking about:
"Well if A is scum, then B and C are definitely town but D is probably scum too.
But if B is scum, then D is still scum but C might be..."
You get the idea.
I think Town is far better served trying to get as much actual information not based on random conjecture while they can.
And as I said above I think it's something scum do quite often to appear as if they're contributing.

i mean.. town also does it all the time

Schadd who do you think is scum right now if you had to guess?

i do think it's you but i still can't really put the probability higher than like 70% in spite of all the stuff i said. u have had a similar sort of tonal emotioniness as shat on occasion but less +a bunch of reasoning that feels inorganic to me

maybe like 20% NM and 10% shat and 0% rei to be simple

i want to put shat at 5% but i am taking into consideration the "actually i'm just an idiot" circumstance wherein shat seems likely scum

i still find it rather likely they are town

I'd prefer to wait for them to make their minds up thanks

so you're just gonna go with the flow?
That's oppurtunistic

So me wanting to wait to play the day out is opportunistic but you not voting wheme isn't?

Alright if people want me to
VOTE: Shattiel

L-1

can you, like, assign a probability to shat flipping scum or something

[schadd_]

i don't see a way that voting draynth is productive today so VOTE: notmafia

if he does end up being scum that will be kind of hilarious though

not that i would call it especially unlikely

[schadd_]

ok time for the real scumhunting

shattiel

• what type of music do u like

[Draynth]

Schadd also started talking about how he didn't think I was town at a similar time to when ejj started scumreading me. He has had little to no actual content outside of this.
I'd be happy with a wagon on him

VOTE: Schadd

at some point somebody asked for my full reads and i gave them

at this point i see no evidence that dray had ejji as particularly confident town (other than maybe the fact that, in the argument they had for rather a while, dray at no point seemed to scumread ejji from it and mostly seemed interested in trying to get ejji to stop scumreading him)

though the idea here seems to be "ejji is a town leader and schadd is coinciding with him" which thus seems to be much more natural to come from scum

My point was that you started to sheep Ejj when he scumread me despite not really saying much beforehand, it seemed opportunistic.

Right, anyway. How likely is it that ejj is scum after all and was ccing to force the soul lynch if he is indeed a VT

also in light of this

just seems unlikely that one's intuition is to suppose ejji is town and notice a push i made at a similar time as them, then doubt that he is town when he ccs doc (and in 3 out of 4 setups there is no need for scum to cc doc anyway since you can just shoot them - except when scum has roleblocker it's just 1 of 2; note that there is in fact a roleblocker)

Wait why does me thinking that you were being opportunistic mean that I think ejj is town
Could both be scum, could both be town, could be 1 and 1. I was purely trying to think out loud an give some reasoning for something given I didn't have any other reads at the time.

i guess it's just hard for me to imagine parsing 684 as a joke

whereas i could imagine being scum and thinking "o fuck that's a guilty" but then wanting to not seem informed that wheme was in fact scum

(Reading it at 5am would drastically change your opinion on this)
If that's what you imagine then good for you.

Sigh, if shatt flips town here I'm policy lynching you regardless of whether you're scum or not.

whut

I asked him yet again to tell me why he thought Shatt was scum and he pretty much straight up refused, NM infuriates me sometimes.

Maybe it's just me but pre flip I rarely look for associations like this.
Could be a personal gameplay thing but it's rarely useful to do so and it's the type of thing scum like to fake to appear townie in my experience

meernhnh i guess one doesn't especially have reason to lie about experiencial stuff like that but like, do you really not see town doing preflips often

I see it all the time and think it's pointless.
Why bother wasting so much time and energy thinking about:
"Well if A is scum, then B and C are definitely town but D is probably scum too.
But if B is scum, then D is still scum but C might be..."
You get the idea.
I think Town is far better served trying to get as much actual information not based on random conjecture while they can.
And as I said above I think it's something scum do quite often to appear as if they're contributing.

i mean.. town also does it all the time

Ok?
You realise I never specifically said I was scumreading them for it right
I try to think out loud a lot

Schadd who do you think is scum right now if you had to guess?

i do think it's you but i still can't really put the probability higher than like 70% in spite of all the stuff i said. u have had a similar sort of tonal emotioniness as shat on occasion but less +a bunch of reasoning that feels inorganic to me

maybe like 20% NM and 10% shat and 0% rei to be simple

i want to put shat at 5% but i am taking into consideration the "actually i'm just an idiot" circumstance wherein shat seems likely scum

i still find it rather likely they are town

Why do you think Shatt is town?

I'd prefer to wait for them to make their minds up thanks

so you're just gonna go with the flow?
That's oppurtunistic

So me wanting to wait to play the day out is opportunistic but you not voting wheme isn't?

Alright if people want me to
VOTE: Shattiel

L-1

can you, like, assign a probability to shat flipping scum or something

Honestly any number I come up with is probably useless

[Draynth]

Right, so I should've done this much sooner but idk this game has been weird for me

I legitimately had reasons for wanting to lynch Shatt today but I feel like I was doing it because NM is weirdly often correct in games like these when town.
But I also remember him being slightly less of a pain in the ass so I shouldn't be taking him at his word so much this game, apologies.

I've quoted some posts below than lean towards me thinking that Shatt might be town and NM is the partner. (Only 4 posts but I spoilered them anyway)

Spoiler: 2Create/Wheme

VOTE: not_mafia

Suspect name is suspect. You're either mafia, or you're confusing town by making an unprompted alignment claim. Neither is good.
You're going to have to explain

how you dare

to have a funny username, or land yourself a place at the top of my scumlist.

Right now Shattiel feels especially Town to me. I don't think scum would push so hard on Ejji in a situation like this.

@soul get in here and actually talk. I'm not kidding.
VOTE: soulshade55r
It doesn't have to be a wall of text or anything. Just have a presence beyond fluff please. It annoys me that you seem more like a spectator than an actual player.

@draynth I tend to post text walls. I'll try to lay it off to the best of my ability but it's not really my problem if you refuse to read them tbh. Last game I played here the average post D1 was probably longer than that and no one complained.

I'll have more soon. Gotta read that Ejji/Shattiel exchange more closely. I feel like there might be something more in that worth talking about.

ON TOP OF PAGE 6 IM DONE FOR NOW

Shat and Draynth are town
Ejji and Rei are scumreads
Rest are null or don’t matter

why do u townread shat and dray?

i played with draynth before and i am kinda confident this is town draynth

shat is just obvious town to me

So the reason that these posts make me think that my reasoning so far has been wrong is the way that Wheme seems confident that Shatt is town.
Now it could just be him covering his buddy in the case that Shatt is scum, but it seems more likely that 2create/wheme were making excuses to townread Shatt.
Either way Shatt is probably right that NM shouldn't be in LYLO. I think I've been giving him a pass on acting SUPER anti-town because I know it's who he is, but I also have no guarantee that he doesn't do it in LYLO and that's not a situation I fancy seeing.

Anyway for the time being
VOTE: Unvote

I'm not necessarily waiting for anything to happen given NM is already at L-1, but I also don't want to hammer NM out of the blue.
I guess you can take this as intent to hammer but if people wanna call me scum first go ahead

[Not_Mafia]

Stop unvoting omg, it's obviously Shatt, read his iso, does it look sincere to you at all?

[Draynth]

I'm done here.
If you guys still think I'm scummy after everything I've said then I'm not even gonna bother anymore.

So just vote

Lots of posts like this one actually feel towny to me

[Rei]

No offense but saying you’re not gonna bother because you’re “done” isn’t townie
A town would’nt give up just because the game isn’t over after he dies
There’s still another phase if we mislynch

Idk how you see that as townie dray

[Rei]

@dray i get that and i get the whole “wheme was too obvious” argument
But we’re talking about the same guy who quoted me saying “you’re a pr”
I’m not saying shat has to be the evil
But that reasoning is invalid to me

[Rei]

A note about dray: he seems very flip floppy, especially when he lynched shat because the others pressured him
If he was a newbie I would’ve suspected him more but this is an SE slot which makes me more skeptical since I think as someone who’s experienced he’d realize how that looks?
Not a very strong read but just thought I’d put it there

[Shattiel]

N1 Espeo

oh yeah i saw this at some point and thought it was interesting and forgot

i assume this is a soft inno on esp? as is the habit on certain other sites

what was your reasoning for this

I actually took a look at his iso at d2 and found some bits that is towny well except that push against me.
Was hoping to eat an nk after townreading someone who I just scumread.

[Shattiel]

ok time for the real scumhunting

shattiel

• what type of music do u like

lol wut?
I listen to any

[Draynth]

No offense but saying you’re not gonna bother because you’re “done” isn’t townie
A town would’nt give up just because the game isn’t over after he dies
There’s still another phase if we mislynch

Idk how you see that as townie dray

Because it feels like frustrated town as opposed to scum trying to survive