Sid Meier's Civilization 5 UPick Mafia (GAME OVER)

[Joey_]

the problem is I remain unprotected, what prevents scum from just attacking me?

nothing, its amazing if you die no offense

[Joey_]

About the bp thing, i feel like klazoum couldve tried to get hit/claim bp somewhere somehow

[Chara]

What do you mean by leftovers pile? Go more into that.

there's players i'm very confident are town (Joey, Mark), players i'm townleaning, and then if applicable there's a scumpile.
leftovers are players that could be scum and i don't have reason to think otherwise, and are thus in my lynchpile.
it works when i'm committed enough to stick to it.

[Joey_]

CONVERTING LIST v1.2

Marshy

Religion list :

BRASS (protected) -> SHAZIRO -> GAMMA

Pidgey

Religion list :

CHARA [Protestant to Catholic]-> BAJUBER -> BRASS (Protected if OTM alive)

Im also trying to force religion spreader to visit ppl i dont think can be orange (chara and klazoum but we might lynch him)

[Joey_]

Actually we should flip out chara from the list, i want ppl that mafia dont want to nk hm but i need to make sure they cant be orange first (need to reread)

[Gamma Emerald]

Here is my listing of the facts about everyone pre-review, along with some thoughts

brassherald

- IC
BuJaber - VT claim
Chara - VT claim
Gamma Emerald
Klazam - VT claim
OnTheMark - Non-consec doc claim has not been proven

Shaziro

- is either Vig or SK at this point

Joey_

- commuter, claim verified by Kokichi's interactions with me
pidgey - religion spreader is is proved by uhhhh I forgot

Jodaxq

give how things have developed up to here I feel like Joda is locktown but it could be wrong
marshy - religion spreader claim is proven by chara
Ranmaru - VT claim

does anyone have a solid proof of Joey commuting any night? If he's proven to have commuted any night after night 1 he's proven not red

[Ranmaru]

So it is like a null pile for you, you mean? I would like to know why we are in that pile, as it seems it is more then POE.

[Ranmaru]

That is to Chara.

[Chara]

it's sort of like PoE. you're all higher than Klazam in that i can see town intent in your actions, but i'm not confident enough to call any of you town.

[Joey_]

Im surprised this thread is still open.

Shaziro, yeah, its because of Kok. I know no scum in their right mind would even bother to nk me.

Dunk scumread is based off the way he voted creature, mainly.

Nero.... The way you post pings me hard. With the whole contrarian attitude (nay-ing Brass peacekeeping vote, for instance), and the propensity for omgusing everyone who mentions you as scum. Im getting that impression from you, at least. Just look at the recent thing between you and Bu regarding me. Just feels slimy to me.

jesus christ im reading the end of d1 and feel like klazam isnt red either

[Joey_]

Here is my listing of the facts about everyone pre-review, along with some thoughts

brassherald

- IC
BuJaber - VT claim
Chara - VT claim
Gamma Emerald
Klazam - VT claim
OnTheMark - Non-consec doc claim has not been proven

Shaziro

- is either Vig or SK at this point

Joey_

- commuter, claim verified by Kokichi's interactions with me
pidgey - religion spreader is is proved by uhhhh I forgot

Jodaxq

give how things have developed up to here I feel like Joda is locktown but it could be wrong
marshy - religion spreader claim is proven by chara
Ranmaru - VT claim

does anyone have a solid proof of Joey commuting any night? If he's proven to have commuted any night after night 1 he's proven not red

i could have commuter shot as last red + claim i was shot to explain the lack of kill, im not clear in any scenario atm

[Chara]

actually pidgey i want to look at again because i was very confident in town him earlier and i should listen to my own past strong reads because they tend to be pretty good, if i can eliminate him it would make things easier. bye for now for real this time. :>

pedit: why? because of the Dunk read?

[Joey_]

actually pidgey i want to look at again because i was very confident in town him earlier and i should listen to my own past strong reads because they tend to be pretty good, if i can eliminate him it would make things easier. bye for now for real this time. :>

pedit: why? because of the Dunk read?

yea, klazam reacted really hard to dunk's behavior at the end of d1. If you put yourself into a klazam's last-red shoes, you dont end d1 when your buddy got flipping by calling out your other buddy that he acted wierd surrounding the mafia wagon.. on a large. Does klazam looks like a slot that would plan to bus his 2nd partner d1 ? eh

[Joey_]

Also i feel that gamma mightve townsliped there, its annoying af lol

He implied that me confirming an action would prove that im not last red, but theres always the possibilities that Elbirn got killed by his weak visit + dunk by shaz + varsoon by red, that leaves the red shot to be unnacounted yet he didnt think of this possibility maybe because he knows implicitly that he elbirn's death could not be explained by his weak visit, lol..

[Joey_]

Oh, that leaves the orange kill, nvm i mixed stuff up, anyway gtg

[Klazam]

Nah, I'm actually vt, not bp. If I was bp, I'd have claimed a PR straight up probably.

I'll be rereading shit tonight while I'm at work.

[Shaziro]

He is a fucking liar it’s only a matter of when he goes down. Not if.

If y’all waste a mislynch on me rather than confirmed scum in Shaziro not my problem.

Tell me Shaziro why did you visit A50 last night? Tell the truth otherwise it’s going to be worse for you than it already is.

I gotta go to work but Shaziro visiting A50 is a fact that will become obvious on my flip assuming you all are crazy enough to mislynch the doctor.

I -didn't- visit A50 last night. You're bullshitting because you're cornered scum.

[Shaziro]

I think I know what OTM is doing with this lie, and if they are it's a -very- stupid gambit and they should try something different. As it is, OTM is 100% the lynch today. They're now claiming that I visited somebody when I didn't, and I do -not- want that bullshit fading into the aether with the rest of this discussion. They're the lynch.

Honestly, Chara, consider the fact that they specifically claimed to be some kind of master at emulating their town game as scum. Would that not mean that your "this is town because they're being bullheaded about something dumb" or whatnot is possibly being faked? I feel like stubbornness is -very- easy to fake.

[Klazam]

That doesn't make sense. How does a doc know where shaziro visited?

[Shaziro]

That doesn't make sense. How does a doc know where shaziro visited?

I think they were either trying to claim that the doc claim was a fakeclaim. That, or they forgot their fakeclaim and tried to think up another one, in which case it's backfiring hilariously.

[Gamma Emerald]

That doesn't make sense. How does a doc know where shaziro visited?

I think they were either trying to claim that the doc claim was a fakeclaim. That, or they forgot their fakeclaim and tried to think up another one, in which case it's backfiring hilariously.

I mean if they were trying to insinuate the doc claim was false that would be complete suicide, given how much of their play works off of it

[Chara]

Mark isn't claiming a result, pretty sure that was a taunt.

i'm sitting here trying to come up with something to say to Shaziro and i just can't find a way to explain. it's not about emulating his towngame, it's about making a decision that would get him lynched (Mark should know this), and if he's town he's just about immediately ruined the towncred of his own slot. the only two explanations are a botched attempt to fake town stubbornness or that he's town.
i guess thinking about it there is one hallmark of his towngame that's missing here but every reason i've seen for scum Mark is something that makes perfect sense to me from the mind of town Mark. :<

[Chara]

and then Titus's replace-out. it's a pretty shitty tell but it's still one to consider. i've seen a lot of scum Titus, she takes a lynch that's heading for her. and her reason for replacing out was specifically this in-game events here, not something personal or out of game.
and yes i feel kind of gross taking something like a replacement into account but i can't just ignore that.

[Chara]

ok i'm sleeping, i need to look at early game later.

poll: opinions on my avatar? every time i change it someone tells me they liked the old one better. every time.

[Shaziro]

Ok so when we flip OTM and they flip scum, odds Chara is their partner trying real hard here? This logic is very bad, Chara.