Gunner Mafia [Endgame]

[Brian Skies]

The idea is that he wouldn't know if he had any special abilities (vanilla) and that he wouldn't know who the scumteam was (uninformed).

[Mulch]

Votecount 1.39 (possibly from a few posts up)

Quick(4)

~ Srceenplay(65), GreyICE(96), Nero Cain(156), Panopticon(123)

MariaR(4)

~ Centipede Syndrome(175), Tchill13(78), Brian Skies(97), Gorkington(154)

Tchill13(3)

~ Ausuka(88), Beeboy(66), Thor665(43)

Srceenplay(2)

~ Creature(215), CheekyTeeky(122)

GreyICE(2)

~ Hopkirk(122), Quick(283)

The Worst(1)

~ Bins(58)

Panopticon(1)

~ Brigand Vvulf(56)

Bins(1)

~ randomidget(188)

Ausuka(1)

~ MariaR(50)


Not Voting (4): Town Gunner(0), Mafia Gunner(0), The Worst(25), Spiffeh(82)

With 21 alive it takes 11 to lynch.

Day 1 deadline is in (expired on 2018-04-25 12:53:00)

[Brigand Vvulf]

The idea is that he wouldn't know if he had any special abilities (vanilla) and that he wouldn't know who the scumteam was (uninformed).

ok fair, in the former case it's strictly anti-town

and in the latter case that only becomes relevant on his scumflip, which kinda gives people more incentive to want to flip him...

[Brian Skies]

?

I'm just explaining why you said he'd be playing like a VT. What is this former/latter stuff?

[Brigand Vvulf]

oh i thought u were responding to me and this is how you said if he rolled a PR he wouldn't know his abilities (former), if scum wouldn't know his scumteam(latter)

[Tchill13]

I'm pretty sure Maria is scum because I'm town, my wagon didn't go through, scum doesn't let their wagon go through and now we're probably back onto a town wagon.

It'd be nice to lynch Maria.

[Panopticon]

@MOD: I'm going to be moving to a new apt over the course of this weekend and won't have internet.
So the Varsoon head of this Hydra will be V/LA until I've got regular internet again.

-ObserVed

[the worst]

Shit. Earlier read on Ausuka redacted by ISO, she can be town.

Anyone got strong feelings on Centipede?

[Thor665]

Is there anything in particular that made/makes you like the Tchill wagon? Do you there's a good chance he'll flip scum (if so, why)?

I think there's a perfectly reasonable chance he'll flip scum, and his loss, if town, wouldn't cost us much of anything considering how he's opting to play.
The push on him was organic, his reaction was a steaming pile of 'meh'.

Because I can have no issue with a wagon (or the people on it), but that doesn't mean it's going to land on scum.

Do you think the Tchill wagon is on town?
Why?

I'll be over here on the counter wagon washing my hands

Are you fighting this wagon on principle or just don't want to deal with blowback? I don't understand why this is even a concern for you.

I was directly asked to comment on the wagon and defend my stance of not blindly supporting it.
Why does that come off as me fighting the wagon and being a concern to you?
It's clearly a concern to Cheeky - but why me?
That's like if your next post was 'Thor, why do you keep talking about the MariaR wagon so much?" It's skim level true - but is also blatantly not a valid question.

[the worst]

I'm pretty sure Maria is scum because I'm town,

my wagon didn't go through, scum doesn't let their wagon go through

and now we're probably back onto a town wagon.

It'd be nice to lynch Maria.

Hold on I think I need the bolded section explained to me

[the worst]

Hai Thor

Who's town? If it's pretty clearly stated recently in your ISO let me know. I'll go fish.

[Thor665]

I'm pretty sure Maria is scum because I'm town,

my wagon didn't go through, scum doesn't let their wagon go through

and now we're probably back onto a town wagon.

It'd be nice to lynch Maria.

Hold on I think I need the bolded section explained to me

He's saying that the reason the MariaR wagon didn't go through is because scum blocked it.
He also claims he's town, even though his wagon didn't go through either, and presumably not because scum blocked it, though he doesn't really expand on taht concept.
Meanwhile people ask me to justify voting Tchill

Hai Thor

Who's town? If it's pretty clearly stated recently in your ISO let me know. I'll go fish.

randomidget (strong read)
Beeboy (soft read)
Bins (mid read)
Quick (mid read)
Gorkington (mid to strong read)
GreyICE (mid read)
Spiffeh (mid to strong read)
Brigand Vvulf (soft read)
Creature (mid read)
Brian Skies (soft read)
Nero Cain (hanging on by the edge of his thin little nails read)

Why?

[Tchill13]

Yeah Thor explained it.

[Hopkirk]

VOTE: Panoptican

[Hopkirk]

Serious vote. We're lynching here today.

[Gorkington]

1. his early hop on centipede is very scummy.
2. I've played with town!tchill and this feels wildly different in many ways.
3. posts like 1217, 1273, and 1277 sound really fake. 1471 also sounds really off to me tonally.
4. his reasoning for scumreading me has jumped around from "the little I've seen seems scum-motivated" to "I've got scum-vibes" and then saying that I'm scum for being on some 3-player wagons.
5. when I confront him about this, he says that these are all the same thing.
6. 1792 is complete bullshit. he basically dodges the actual question by saying "you're getting buddied!!!" and then says me townreading hopkirk means I'm brushing him off.
7. there was a good wagon on Tchill and it kinda just completely dissapeared because ???

i) elaborate on why it was scummy

ii) elaborate on why he feels wildly different in many ways.
examples of differences with literal comparisons to other games would be ideal here.

iii) how confident are you that he doesnt make fake sounding posts as town?

iv) first two kind of seem like the same thing and more of a vague reference to a scumread without reasoning and the latter is something specific, so i dont really see why hes scum for non-specifically at first feeling like youre scum and then actually pushing something specific but different at another point?

v) quote this?

vi) whats the question that hes dodging?
i feel like youre overly simplifying the contents of the post at the end here. you really think hes just saying that? because i feel like the added context of whatever floral mafia is gives weight to whatever argument hes trying to make and youre kind of ignoring that to misrep his position into something thats easier to call scum?

vii) this is bad. if youre town you should probably have a better capacity for understanding what happened to cause the tchill wagon to fall apart.
trying to insinuate that the tchill wagon stopped because his scumbuddies who were bussing him jumped off is ignoring a ton of context with what happened with centipede/maria/cheeky/etc.
this is really really weak analysis yo.

[Gorkington]

@pan

, your signing gimmick is really hard to parse.
can you consider switching it?
ive been thinking that varsoon was just not signing his posts and didnt realize that youre basically using almost the same word for both of your signatures.

My gut reads aren't good.

give me an example of any other towngame of yours ever where youve expressed the sentiment that you dont want to follow your reads because you think your gut is bad.

I'm gonna be honest, I lost it in the sea of bullshit spam. Sorry.

A good part of Girls case on me is varsoon mending about scumclaiming with a gif. You read that right, he's reading me based in part on what someone else said.

~tn5421

oh
nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
do explain how you saw the case but then lost it

I rolled scum a very disproportionate amount of times so my town game is actually really weak

i really dont think this would be a factor in whether tn's reads/pushes would come across as genuine.

There's also nothing genuine about attributing one player's play to another, hydra or not.

this is so bad.
that you actually think you can push that someone would intentionally mix up hydra partners when youre basically signing the exact same thing
just to try to paint you specifically as scummy when theres basically 0 motivation to do so.
what would i be trying to gain by mixing up you and varsoon on purpose?
im calling hard bullshit that you actually think this.

Really? So I don't push policy lynches day one? And you claim to have ISO'd me?

REALLY?

(policy: lurk; policy: spam; policy: blatant antitown; policy: dumbtelling)

dont understand what this has to do with anything?

[Hopkirk]

Switch back, we're wagoning Pan now.

[Gorkington]

ive got some homework for this game for this weekend.
after im done it im in for some hardpushing.

[Gorkington]

also, can you push a case if you are going to shout at people to vote him?
this game's pretty low on content right now and theres just a lot of people calling people town/scum when we really need to be getting into nitty gritty if we want lynches to actually happen and not have the game just devolve into shouting matches/noise?

[Spiffeh]

Gorkington who should I vote for idrk rn

[Gorkington]

ask me again in 48 hours.

[Gorkington]

Early with limited posts I could have been either way.
When he came back his posts was free flowing. I guess that’s how I would describe it. He’s not really caring about D1 and wants to move onto the next day. He’s not trying to force something.

how many times have you played with town/scum tchill before?

[Spiffeh]

I'm curious why the tChill wagon fell apart and, personally, I feel like the resistance to it hitting lynch after 70 fucking pages reflects scum resistance.

Can you talk specifically about who you think the scum resistance is coming from?

[Spiffeh]

hmmm maybe GreyICE isn't town