Open 721: Pick Your Poison (Game Over)

[brassherald]

Vote Count 1.3

the worst (4)

Mathdino, oxy, Scioness Sajj, pinturicchio L-3

Mohab500 (2)

ofrhz, ruru

Mathdino (1)

Draynth

Scioness Sajj (1)

the worst

Not Voting:

AP, Sunshine13, UglyDuck, Mohab500, skitter30

With 13 alive, it takes 7 votes to lynch.
Deadline: (expired on 2018-04-30 16:45:00)

Sunshine13 is V/LA until Tuesday April 24, 2018

Please note, I'm going to try to do two vote counts a day, one at around 7am EST and one at around 8pm EST. If you'd like another during the day, please request one in thread and I'll do my best to get you one.

[AP]

UglyDuck is also a duck

Not true. UglyDuck is actually a swan. Of all statements made in this game thus far this is the worst.

[AP]

I'm thinking there's at least one scum in {ofrhz, Sunshine13} unless one of them gets an avatar

Do you think you thinking that should make me more or less likely to think the same?

[Mohab500]

UglyDuck is also a duck

Not true. UglyDuck is actually a swan. Of all statements made in this game thus far this is the worst.

Swans can be gay

[ruru]

i also have a system for making sure vigs don't shoot PRs (they seem to do this a lot) but we'll talk about that more down the line

Does it involve town voting on either a player to shoot or no shot and having the majority voted player claim?

Vig feels super powerful to me. If town does it that way, it's like having 2 extra days to VCA / lynch scum

Vaguely similar to a 2-shot doc/JK that never guesses wrong, except the doc doesn't get extra information about who scum tried to NK, and the shot has to be decided without seeing the day's flip, and you don't get an extra day of investigative results (not super relevant in this setup I guess)?

I feel like I wouldn't want to give town vig if I were scum. I was trying to break the setup and I thought scum would pick either
IC+cop+tracker (based on power levels alone, but now scum have to claim JK)
IC+cop+JK (claim tracker, try to lynch JK claims)
IC+tracker+JK (claim cop, try to lynch JK claims)

Unlike JK, giving town a vig doesn't let you try to lynch the vig.

The other choices seemed less useful to me because they give town more objective power without adding to the fake claim space.

I came up with some strategy to reduce scum's claim space based on IC claiming D1. If IC gets shot, lynch all JK claims. Otherwise, there's a confirmed town that probably lives until JK dies. I'm not sure if it even makes sense though. I don't have a good understanding of how bad it is to out IC, and how bad it is for JK to be somewhat afraid to jail people other than the IC

[ruru]

brassherald: My vote is currently on Mohab500

Fixed.

[Mohab500]

My vote is on ruru also, not sure what's going on

[ruru]

I'm thinking there's at least one scum in {ofrhz, Sunshine13} unless one of them gets an avatar

Do you think you thinking that should make me more or less likely to think the same?

I don't feel like that post should really change your thinking I guess? Hard question honestly...

Do you think I should think that me thinking that should make you more or less likely to think the same?

[ruru]

Remember how I kept on going about how nervous-awkward you were last game? And like you felt kinda distached from the gamestate? And like very passive and very careful? You don't really feel like that here, so townpoints. Oxy gets townpoints too for picking up on this here too.

If I project confidence in this one, I'm faking it too, just as town this time!

I'm also always super awkward with people I haven't met before which was everyone last game

[Oxy]

VOTE: Mohab500

[Mohab500]

I should b3 studying wo i can finish thenl look at this game, no lol fuk anim bitc ass

[Mathdino]

i also have a system for making sure vigs don't shoot PRs (they seem to do this a lot) but we'll talk about that more down the line

Does it involve town voting on either a player to shoot or no shot and having the majority voted player claim?

Vig feels super powerful to me. If town does it that way, it's like having 2 extra days to VCA / lynch scum

Vaguely similar to a 2-shot doc/JK that never guesses wrong, except the doc doesn't get extra information about who scum tried to NK, and the shot has to be decided without seeing the day's flip, and you don't get an extra day of investigative results (not super relevant in this setup I guess)?

I feel like I wouldn't want to give town vig if I were scum. I was trying to break the setup and I thought scum would pick either
IC+cop+tracker (based on power levels alone, but now scum have to claim JK)
IC+cop+JK (claim tracker, try to lynch JK claims)
IC+tracker+JK (claim cop, try to lynch JK claims)

Unlike JK, giving town a vig doesn't let you try to lynch the vig.

The other choices seemed less useful to me because they give town more objective power without adding to the fake claim space.

I came up with some strategy to reduce scum's claim space based on IC claiming D1. If IC gets shot, lynch all JK claims. Otherwise, there's a confirmed town that probably lives until JK dies. I'm not sure if it even makes sense though. I don't have a good understanding of how bad it is to out IC, and how bad it is for JK to be somewhat afraid to jail people other than the IC

- Yeah that's exactly it. That worked fine last game until the vig decided to play hero and shoot my top townread instead.

- History of this setup shows scum almost always pick the vig. Because vigs are stupid. They'd rather have the extra townies removed than town potentially get guilties on them.

- I'm not into setup-based ultimatums.

But ruru is pretty obviously town.

[pinturicchio]

ruru is obv!town

P-edit: yes, she's obv!town. Dino I'll talk to you now

[pinturicchio]

Dino, do you think scum would pick Vig knowing that you are in the game?

[Mathdino]

That only matters if you're scum. I'm not famous for my vig strategy, I'm famous for breaking setups in general.

So I will admit that the niche scenario of you being scum would mean scum probably went for Tracker/Cop.

Townbloc right now is {Mathdino, Sunshine, ruru}. Looking to add more.

[Mathdino]

I, too, am getting a townvibe from Sunshine.

Ofrhz, as well, but to a lesser extent. Similar quick jump from playful -> serious as in last game's opening.

Does anyone know a spicy strat for this setup?

Because if one exists, Mathdino is probably scum.

p.edit nm on that last part, lol.

It turned out that the first thing I was town reading Sunshine13 for is NAI.

Luckily, I feel more confident in my new reason for town reading him. =)

I can drop this into a weaker townread.

[Mohab500]

I like being ignored lol

[Mohab500]

Easier to fake town when no one 8s question8 g u omiga lol

[Mohab500]

God, I haven't shitposted this much from my last game

[Mathdino]

well your vote right now is on obvtown so i have no reason to pay attention to you

hit me up with some good reads

[Mohab500]

Lol wair ill finish my hentai shit and studying then unvote cuz i forgot snd look at the game and effort and shit

Lol just

unvote

[Mohab500]

Also no such thing as obvtown, we're lkke 5 pagew in wtf

[Mathdino]

okay

VOTE: Mohab500

[Mathdino]

once upon a time, 5 pages was half the average length of D1s on this site

and now people running around claiming page 5 is too early for actual reads hahahaha

[pinturicchio]

jailkeeper almost certainly doesn't exist lol

4. Shoot all the PRs, potentially mislynch the 3rd one by arguing that there must be an innocent child out there and jailkeeper is an

easy fakeclaim

How's JK an easy fakeclaim if it certainly doesn't exist? A JK claim would be obviously real since picking him would be idiotic from scum.

This inconsistency is pinging me hard, you don't fail in this kind of shit