Open 719: Stack The Deck! (D4)

[Wisdom]

or daytalk

[Mathdino]

i really don't believe that the traitor was recruited given the N1 kill

like you basically just made the argument that any of us, if we were recruited, would've made a different kill, with the exception of probably me and brassherald

i think TW picked daytalk. call it a soulread of him. i think he values daytalk over knowing (and potentially spewing) his 3rd partner

[MariaR]

You don't take daytalk for a town pr wtf

[MariaR]

Who tf would pick day talk that's almost as bad as bp

[Wisdom]

i mean, its an option, and many scum have taken it, so

[MariaR]

Yes I am assuming recruitment no other pr is work it imo
Pedir but STILL

[Mathdino]

Beefster and the worst do

[MariaR]

Reeeeee

[Mathdino]

i will say that the other thing that i realised (after checking what she won hannibal lecter for) is that maria is able to fake completely inaccurate setup spec as scum and dumbtelling isn't really a thing for her

so like

my issue is i don't really have reason to townread either of you because everything is fakable

i guess i can check beef/TW's isos on the offchance they recruited their traitor though

[Mathdino]

From what I understand Wisdom makes a valiant effort to be unmetareadable.

Share your mental notes please!

i do not know where this came from

i may have told TW this somewhere else though

the "from what i understand" is weird i guess

as is his stated wisdom townread and encouragement of me and wisdom buddying up

[Mathdino]

that prob came from a marathon game

this feels like a wild goose chase

will have another look at wisdom's general trajectory later

[Wisdom]

last scum games

Micro 767
Elemental Trinity
The Sexy Brutale
Micro 720

[Mathdino]

Unrelated to the meta you just posted, I actually think it's Wisdom now. I think I trust JJD's read on Wisdom more than I trust Espeonage's read on Maria.

Breaks the Cardinal Rule of LyLo to point this out, but Wisdom went into today hard townreading me (recall that I was the one who got TW lynched in the first place) and now seems to be implicitly turning a Wisdom vs Maria fight into a Mathdino vs Maria fight.

Related to that, I believe Wisdom was recruited. I believe TW had alignment knowledge of the game.

[MariaR]

Will get to this hopefully sat or sunday really busy tonight but if you want to look at my scum games should be easy to find on maki or maria

[Mathdino]

tbh i'm pretty demotivated to metadive you two when i know it's just gonna lead me down a road of "anything and everything is fakable"

let's see if TW/recruited-wisdom is supported by the text

[Mathdino]

mentions that he's digging the math/wis mindmeld
as i said earlier this could imply he's townreading us both for having all 3 scumreads wrong
that said the statement really just implies more about those 3 reads than it does about wisdom/my alignments

1. I get the feeling you agree with my assertion regarding brass. It's mostly gut currently but IMO a decent place to start. You're nullreading him which to me seems like you don't disagree that he's not particularly readable at the moment. Do you have issues with my read or do you just want me to talk you through my thought process?

2. I do find him more evasive than Wisdom. Wisdom has presented reads and engaged with the game, as previously stated I'm leaning town on him rn. How are you reading Wisdom here?

first substantial mention of wisdom
oddly claims to be leaning town on wisdom yet never actually stated this

Current hot take is that UglyDuck is a goon and TW is the traitor. Wisdom almost certainly scum if it's not either of the ducks.

Explain Wis here (other than desire to set up another mislynch)

oooooof
there's the chainsaw defence
TW never asked me to explain my other reads

Thank you. Forced read lists are gross but lynchpools/wontlynchpools (terminology??) are great.

We cross over on a few names there, I'd probably sub Duck and Maria for Wisdom and Math at this point

and super notably
TW wants brassherald to remove duck/maria from his neverlynchpool and instead put me/wisdom in it

if the traitor was recruited (meaning TW had full alignment info, which i currently highly believe he did)
it's almost certainly wisdom

so we're looking at

TW/Beefster with daytalk, Maria traitor
or
TW/Beefster/Wisdom no daytalk

i don't think it's that unlikely that wisdom shoots the IC

[Wisdom]

now seems to be implicitly turning a Wisdom vs Maria fight into a Mathdino vs Maria fight.

why is that something youre accusing me of
this

is

the fight from my pov

[Wisdom]

though i wasnt even considering you until maria went after you, i fully expected her to dive into the 1v1 with me and that gave me pause on her

right now i am back on thinking its maria fwiw. Besides the pushing on tw that makes little sense for scum-you, i remembered that the main reason you made me worry earlier in the game was because i thought you were protecting uglyduck who I thought was certainly flipping scum
that was wrong so i was just paranoid

[MariaR]

It's interesting to see how everyone's pov has changed at least once and I don't really know how to take it.

[Mathdino]

It's interesting to see how everyone's pov has changed at least once and I don't really know how to take it.

my POV is almost entirely changing from out of game circumstances

[MariaR]

Oh same I've changed about I wanna say 4 times but it's mostly mindless rambling in my head and I'm trying to be confident and not paranoia my reads to death cause that leads to me failing more then it is helpful plus I don't think anyone wants to just see me post useless rambling so I'm trying to keep it game related..mostly

[brassherald]

I was prodded. My thoughts right now are that I'm going to lead to a town loss because I have no clue who the last mafia member is.

[Wisdom]

are you still between maria and me or are you considering math too?

[brassherald]

are you still between maria and me or are you considering math too?

I'm considering Math as well, I really am just lost.

I feel like no lynch may still be the answer, even if reads have been shared. I would rather have a smaller pool since if I survived, I'd have a 50% chance to get the right scum than a 33% chance. I'm having a hard time eliminating anyone because of ridiculous situations playing in my head now.

[Wisdom]

yeah, no lynch is strictly the best no matter who dies

what are your thoughts about who the scum is?