Open 721: Pick Your Poison (Game Over)

[ofrhz]

Dino could be scum

Kinda agree actually.

Almost missed this. Can you elaborate on this skitter?

[ofrhz]

I missed ofhrz’s response there. Apologies. Question answered.

What did you get out of my responses?

Her responses make some degree of sense if she’s new, I guess... but I’ll choose to believe it’s scummy and you’re her partner trying to protect her with your responses to my questions.

This doesn't make sense though. Do my responses

only

make sense if I'm her partner? Do you scumread new players for not being as great in executing the Spanish inquisition as you?

[skitter30]

Do you find mohabs garbage posts alignment indicative in some way

Not really, sadly.

Do *you* find them AI?

Two things:

How am I suppose to know if Dino is wrong? I'm not the mod and I'm not scum.

Also, my lynch is a bad idea. Period. Only Dr Evil would want me lynched to get his hands on my mojo.
Also also, why are there a lot of ducks and no pussycats?

I mean, the point of the game is for town!you is to like, you know, try to figure out if math is trustworthy enough to follow instead of just listening to him?

Just listening to him cuz he's talking a lot isn't a really good idea if you're town - he could be scum trying to mislead you. And if you're scum, you've just absolved yourself of responsibility for your vote, cuz, after all, you were just listening to math, right?

well
as I said I like skitter so far, she skittered well considering her last post was on page 3.

Yeah, sorry, I'm v/la on weekends and offline for religious reasons.

Imo the only thing townish about skitters iso (things I don't think she would fake) is her first post
I want to townread her
But skittering isn't alignment indicative

I know that responding to your first post would be hard for scum!me. You know that responding to your first post would be hard for scum!me. The fact that I did it is therefore moot and NAI is a stupid reason to find townish.

Why are you prioritizing sorting me?

VOTE: Oxy

206 is an attempt to eliminate my existence.

Uh, is this like a serious vote? He also didn't mention Math ....

that alarms you why......?

Because I've obv.towned enough even number 2 can see with his left eye closed.

No you haven't.

Oh shit speaking of that
Mohab should probably be policyvigged for asking to be lynched
Newbie 1859ers will understand

so if i added a joke it wouldn't be blendy?

is blendy actually a word?

It's not that you didn't add a vote so much as I'd have expected there to be some game-related content from you at that point.

And no, blendy is not a word, but I couldn't think of a better one

what did you expect from me after seeing 4 people wagon on first page?

I expected a 5 paragraph essay + 10-item bulleted list with links to posts that explain your vote.

Tbh, same. And kinda expected you to say more than just talking about people's reactions to your entrance.

[ofrhz]

do you scumread ofrhz?

@sunsh

pedit: townreading skitter

[Mathdino]

Do you find mohabs garbage posts alignment indicative in some way

Not really, sadly.

Do *you* find them AI?

i um
i actually uh
find them pretty townish
i just don't really wanna go into that right now
i'm kind of embarrassed to townread garbageposting tbh

Imo the only thing townish about skitters iso (things I don't think she would fake) is her first post
I want to townread her
But skittering isn't alignment indicative

I know that responding to your first post would be hard for scum!me. You know that responding to your first post would be hard for scum!me. The fact that I did it is therefore moot and NAI is a stupid reason to find townish.

Why are you prioritizing sorting me?

wait what?
i think you were trying to say something but ended up saying another thing...
please rephrase this entire first paragraph

i think you're a good player to work with so sorting you would be more pro-town than sorting, say, mohab

[ofrhz]

do you scumread ofrhz?

@sunsh

Nvm you literally answered this question in the last post of yours that I responded to. Wow I'm tired

[skitter30]

anyway i didn't vote you because i didn't feel like pressure would make you more readable

and also i felt bad

I agree SS's entrance was a little bit weird but I think this is weirder

I used this same excuse when I was scum. I think it's a little bit true but I think a town player would try anyway

And I think town!dino plays to win 100%, so the other reason is a bit fishy to me too

VOTE: Mathdino

Pretty sure scum!you never starts a thing with dino here.

plus the vast majority of wagons don't actually lead to lynches. while she was (until she made her last wallpost) my top scumspect, it doesn't necessarily benefit me to speedlynch my top scumread today, ESPECIALLY when i've been shown to have little ability to readh er

I feel like there's something kinda wonky with this logic but idk what it is exactly.

PFP

I said I wasn't townreading you too? Also he hasn't really sorted a lot of people yet (ie and not just you)?

This is a weird post/vote.

none of these things are scummy in themselves but the combination of all 6 and this many words without things that i think actually advance the gamestate makes me read it as
posturing?
LAMISTy?
busywork?
whatever term you use for "scum trying to act like town", that.

Idk, I didn't read it like that. It felt kinda natural to me?

I missed ofhrz’s response there. Apologies. Question answered.

I will say it’s demonstrably false I’m singling you out, though, since ruru posted that she didn’t think I was town until after I voted you for not doing anything about you not finding me town. If that makes sense.

I’m also pressuring her to get why she’s voting me for voting you, and not getting much.

Her responses make some degree of sense if she’s new, I guess... but I’ll choose to believe it’s scummy and you’re her partner trying to protect her with your responses to my questions.

Note to self: reread this bit later cuz I can't tell if I misread that convo between him/ofrhz/ruru or if sunshine did.

(more useless posting)

<snip> why ofrhz?

....holy shit skitter spelled my name correctly.

Yeah I realized like around the last day of the newbie that I was mispelling your name the entire game

Sorry, bunches of random letters are hard for me to remember the order of.

[skitter30]

Dino could be scum

Kinda agree actually.

Almost missed this. Can you elaborate on this skitter?

He feels kinda .... shallow, I guess? Like not as involved with the gamestate as I'd expect? Like just kinda here? That doesn't explain what I'm seeing super well though; I guess I'll just call it gut till I figure out how to articulate it?

i um
i actually uh
find them pretty townish
i just don't really wanna go into that right now
i'm kind of embarrassed to townread garbageposting tbh

At the time he was actually posting it didn't really look to me like you were townreading him.

wait what?
i think you were trying to say something but ended up saying another thing...
please rephrase this entire first paragraph

Scum!me would have a hard time responding to that post. I know that, and you know that. So me not-responding would kinda match what scum!me would do. So me responding shouldn't be a reason to townread me cuz obviously scum!me doesn't want you to scumread me and would thus respond anyways. Thus NAI.

[skitter30]

Yay I'm in real-time now.

VOTE: AP

I dislike both his mohab and oxy votes.

[the worst]

Yo skitter30! Either we are mind melding again or youre pocketing me!

Thoughts on Sajj, Sunsh and the other duckling?

[Mathdino]

- i think what you're seeing is the effect of an unusual gamestate on me. i can self-meta on that if you want but tl;dr it's hard to go full mathdino on people when 1/3 of the game hasn't posted much and another 1/3 of the game isn't exactly going to give us a smoking gun if they're scum. i have the reads that i have. everyone's sheeped me so i don't really have to argue with anyone lol

- yeah but if you were in my position would you want to encourage mohab's posting though
i'm not always entirely open about my reads on D1
i'm well aware of the influence my reads have on others
case in point: over 2/3 of the playerlist has parroted my townreads thus far

- uhhhh
so are you trying to argue that anything town-indicative for you is NAI because scum-you would be trying to fake town-you
i get the feeling that pursuing this line of discussion is going to barrel us both down WIFOM city

[the worst]

I solemnly swear not to deathtunnel Math until at least d2

[skitter30]

Yo skitter30! Either we are mind melding again or youre pocketing me!

Thoughts on Sajj, Sunsh and the other duckling?

Sajj is scummy. Dislike her entrance, dislike that her other posts later were largely about people responding to her entrance.

Sunshine not sure. I don't get the early townreads on him. There's a convo he's in middle of having with ofrhz that I need to reread cuz either I'm misunderstanding wht they're talking about or he is. His vote on ofrhz was weird.

Other duckling = ofrhz or uglyduckling?

Uglyduckling is a non-entity, don't have a read.

ofrhz is ~nulltown. Last game he kinda bled town at this point, which he hasn't done yet, but there were a few posts in the last couple of pages that town-pinged me. Haven't seen anything scummy yet, so nulltown.

[Oxy]

- uhhhh
so are you trying to argue that anything town-indicative for you is NAI because scum-you would be trying to fake town-you
i get the feeling that pursuing this line of discussion is going to barrel us both down WIFOM city

I think she's saying that scum!mathdino would have used that opening to get an excuse to make an early town read on skitter and then begin pocketing her.

[Mathdino]

I didn't interpret that as having anything to do with a scumread on me
Lowkey think a couple people have a heightened expectation of my play generated from seeing me replace into a game with like 50 pages of content already

I will admit that I specifically targeted skitter with my opening on the basis that scum her would have a hard time responding though

[Sunshine13]

I missed ofhrz’s response there. Apologies. Question answered.

What did you get out of my responses?

Her responses make some degree of sense if she’s new, I guess... but I’ll choose to believe it’s scummy and you’re her partner trying to protect her with your responses to my questions.

This doesn't make sense though. Do my responses

only

make sense if I'm her partner? Do you scumread new players for not being as great in executing the Spanish inquisition as you?

I get from your responses you know how to answer questions, and now that you know how to ask them. Various other things, which you’re apparently good enough to figure out. Or I just don’t want to reveal at this point. *shrug* /enigmatic

Your responses make sense if you’re buddying her, also if you give newer players some slack or if you’re just trying to look like you’re active without revealing too much. The first one is scum-leaning, the second NAI, the third mostly just anti-town. I note you answered the questions I asked to the letter, not really revealing that much more than when you evaded the initial question, just with more words and a bit more reference to your experiences with ruru. Not a good sign.

I am disturbed by the falsehood I pointed out previously.

You also seem to think I’m being hard on her (or you?) but mafia is srs bznz, and this isn’t a newbie game. Should I let someone who might be scum slide just because they’re new?

p.edit: I am also embarrassed you’re townreading shitposters, math :p

p.edit2:

skitter

What I’m referring to when I’m talking about people not townreading me is they’re overtly doing so. Everybody was all “well sunshine’s town” ‘cause math said so, nobody questioned it. Then ofrhz says they don’t but doesn’t do anything about it, so I voted them.

This is when ruru said they weren’t townreading me either, and while you implied you weren’t townreading me when asking someone else why they were townreading me, you didn’t come out and actually say you weren’t.

This is also why I don’t like ofrhz saying I’m ignoring other people for not townreading me, as mentioned previously: when I voted, nobody else had said as much, and when ruru voted me, I put some pressure on her. You’ve joined that party, but I only have one vote *shrug*

I don’t mind people throwing shade my way, but I do mind when that shade contains nonsense.

[skitter30]

- i think what you're seeing is the effect of an unusual gamestate on me. i can self-meta on that if you want but tl;dr it's hard to go full mathdino on people when 1/3 of the game hasn't posted much and another 1/3 of the game isn't exactly going to give us a smoking gun if they're scum. i have the reads that i have. everyone's sheeped me so i don't really have to argue with anyone lol

- yeah but if you were in my position would you want to encourage mohab's posting though
i'm not always entirely open about my reads on D1
i'm well aware of the influence my reads have on others
case in point: over 2/3 of the playerlist has parroted my townreads thus far

- uhhhh
so are you trying to argue that anything town-indicative for you is NAI because scum-you would be trying to fake town-you
i get the feeling that pursuing this line of discussion is going to barrel us both down WIFOM city

1. I mean, I guess that could be it? It just feels like you're here but not really *with* it if that makes sense.

2. Mohab feels kinda lynchbaity to me? Like if he's town he's where I'd expect scum to be pushing for a mislynch, and he did indeed get up to like L-2 with little resistance. That's why I'm kinda suspicious of people calling him a pl, like you did.

3. Not really, cuz most things that are town-indicative for me scum!me wouldn't really bother trying to mimic cuz most of those things I can't really fake easily. I do think I could fake responding to your post. But yeah this convo is kinda heading towards WIFOM cuz all of this is just me telling you what I'd do in various situations and like, you have no reason to believe me here.

[skitter30]

- uhhhh
so are you trying to argue that anything town-indicative for you is NAI because scum-you would be trying to fake town-you
i get the feeling that pursuing this line of discussion is going to barrel us both down WIFOM city

I think she's saying that scum!mathdino would have used that opening to get an excuse to make an early town read on skitter and then begin pocketing her.

yeah that's basically exactly what I think scum!math would be doing there.

[Mathdino]

gonna need help reading ofrhz (i have also been spelling his name wrong the whole time fucking lol) from 1859ers

i'm pretty sold by sunshine's argument in a vacuum but sunshine obviously lacks the experience that 5 other players have with him

also i don't really feel like defending sunshine against 1 or 2 people who are effectively nullreading him

tl;dr the vast majority of his ISO would be very difficult for scum to fake, the nuance in the posts is incredible (even when i don't agree with the conclusions)
the last post is the nail in the... coffin...? of that townread

Edit: you're probably not the one i'd be trying to pocket, skitter. not after MKUltra

[skitter30]

Although the last time he tried to give a bad read on me I lockscummed his slot for it (@math in case you don't know what I'm talking about: when you repped out of viomi's game, you gave your readslist, and your read on me was atrocious enough that it strongly reaffirmed my earlier scumread on you and your slot was basically scum to me for the rest of the game till we actually got around to lynching it)

p-edit: oh good, you do know what I'm talking about.

[Mathdino]

skitter30: I was waiting to give a read on her entrance because I was modding town-skitter. I know nothing of skitter's towngame, but I'm seeing almost exactly the same playstyle, the same genuineness in her reads, the same pushiness with a "hit you over the head with this case every post I make". 195 fucking REEKS multiball-town. Honestly likely to get NK'd anyway. Should post a full reads list at some point.

i mean i don't think this was awful because as multiball scum i was essentially trying to scumhunt the other scumteam and this read was correct in the end

but yeah in scumgames i generally profile players that i think are and aren't pocketable (i'm on record for doing this)

skitter30 is probably the last person on that list among everyone in this game

[Oxy]

- uhhhh
so are you trying to argue that anything town-indicative for you is NAI because scum-you would be trying to fake town-you
i get the feeling that pursuing this line of discussion is going to barrel us both down WIFOM city

I think she's saying that scum!mathdino would have used that opening to get an excuse to make an early town read on skitter and then begin pocketing her.

yeah that's basically exactly what I think scum!math would be doing there.

For the record, I don't think it makes it NAI. Knowing something is a test is not the only prerequisite to passing.

[ruru]

Okay I give up on sleeping

@skitter

I feel like AP's roleplay would be increasingly awkward/hard to pull off as scum as the game progresses making him a poor D1 lynch. What do you think?

Do you still think Oxy is town?

[skitter30]

Yeah that was a gross read on me tbh.

[skitter30]

- uhhhh
so are you trying to argue that anything town-indicative for you is NAI because scum-you would be trying to fake town-you
i get the feeling that pursuing this line of discussion is going to barrel us both down WIFOM city

I think she's saying that scum!mathdino would have used that opening to get an excuse to make an early town read on skitter and then begin pocketing her.

yeah that's basically exactly what I think scum!math would be doing there.

For the record, I don't think it makes it NAI. Knowing something is a test is not the only prerequisite to passing.

Is this talking about me or talking about math?