Gunner Mafia [Endgame]

[Quick]

Like outbursts of irritation usually come from Town unless they are pissed that you caught them trying to buddy you and then they get pissed. Then they are Scum.

[Spiffeh]

I felt like his push on you was too opportunistic given the timing of everything. It's annoying me that I keep flip flopping on him so I would appreciate some help clearing his slot si vous plait.

What about the timing was opportunistic? Maria had just flipped leaving Tchill as the leading wagon, and since Panopticon was my second lynch choice after Maria and looked even worse with her flip, I urged people to vote there instead.

If you really want to sort me why don't you ask me questions or do something to make that happen? I think I've provided enough content to make you have an opinion one way or the other so idk how a basically naked vote on me is going to accomplish what you're claiming you want done.

[Spiffeh]

You've made the suggestion of 'doing town things' but that strikes me as incredibly bizarre.
Why should I do town things? That seems artificial. If I could just 'do town things', then what's stopping me from that as scum?
Shouldn't your suggestion be more about engagement with the game or catching scum or something?
Like, reck's response seems much more based in actually trying to push me to play the game at hand rather than generate artifice.
It's just strange to me
What do you even define as 'town things'?

I define doing town things as doing things I think are town.

Your slot hasn't done that yet, and I've previously explained why I think you guys are scummy.

[Spiffeh]

What about srceenplay?

Srceenplay isn't really someone I've taken a hard look at, can you explain why you're scum reading them?

[Spiffeh]

Both heads of this hydra are of the mind that if we get lynched, at least we're freed from the burden of having to win this game for you incompetent dirtbags.

Tbh labeling people in this game incompetent dirtbags doesn't make much sense since most of the people currently on your wagon had been on the Maria wagon when she died and ended up flipping scum, while your slot was hopping from Maria counter wagon to Maria counter wagon

[Creature]

I'm townreading Creature but Tn feels uncomfortable with how Creature's pretty much a universal townread here.

Spoiler: Show him this?

[Thor665]

Both heads of this hydra are of the mind that if we get lynched, at least we're freed from the burden of having to win this game for you incompetent dirtbags.

Tbh labeling people in this game incompetent dirtbags doesn't make much sense since most of the people currently on your wagon had been on the Maria wagon when she died and ended up flipping scum, while your slot was hopping from Maria counter wagon to Maria counter wagon

I'll second this point - I can understand not enjoying the pacing of the game or posting styles in the game.
But to argue that overt blatantly bad play is happening is rather a bit of a stretch.
Why do you keep tossing up smokescreens instead of replacing out?
Because either you both hate the game (in which case replace out)
Or you're lying about how much you hate the game.

Which is it?

[Creature]

Guess most of the players that were actually pushing MariaR (and not just voting) disappeared.

[Creature]

Today's a great day to lynch a deepwolf.

[Quick]

Today's a great day to lynch a deepwolf.

If you say so...

VOTE: Quick

Nah... changed my mind

VOTE: Pan

[Gorkington]

overall i kind of feel like tchill is more likely town than not based on non-lazyIsodive and lazyMetadive [which i will follow up on if i have enough motivation/time/effort to give this game after i get through some other priorities]

there might be a towntell that hes dropped but i need to check a lot more games to really make sure that im not blowing hot air on it.
theres some other small things from general trends in his meta that i think line this up closer with his towngame than his scumgame too, but i definitely need to throw more effort at it to actually be confident about it and my attention span is really diminished atm so thats definitely not happening this morning.

things i like from his iso:

feels good that hes saying that he might have forgotten the reasoning he had for disliking CS earlygame given that hes now townreading him. i think the easy scum reaction would be to bullshit a reaction and i think its believable that townHim would have honestly forgotten the reasoning given the context for it would be super far removed for him.
he has a decent amount of productive questioning in his midD1 play.
he reiterated a push for trying to determine who was sitting where on the wagons after someone had called it scummy which makes it feel more real and i think scumHim would have either dropped it or ran with it too much to try to fake generating content.
saying he likes centipede's scumreads when theyre just ausuka and maria.

questionableish things:

him voting maria after saying that he thinks shes NAI just because cheeky is telling people to.
his scumgame isnt really that bad. he was pretty damn engaged/active, made it to endgame and did some pretty damn ballsy things.

[Gorkington]

he was pretty damn engaged/active, made it to endgame and did some pretty damn ballsy things.

*in the game i read.
i shouldnt post when im this tired zzzzzz.

[Brigand Vvulf]

Nah, when I flip town,

I don't have to play this game with you baddies anymore

man, is scumplaining all you do in this game?

Like, I already believe them to be scum, so, if the onus of pushing them is really "where is the case," then whatever case I make is going to be arbitrary and ultimately be me just arguing where I could see scum motivation in their posts, but, like, damn it, I already have stated that I see scum motivation/logic in those places, so can't you evaluate the slots on your own and determine if I'm wrong or not?

-obserVed

i'll take an arbitrary case filled with confBias over "just look at the slots im scumreading and tell me if I'm right" any day

[Ausuka]

VOTE: panoptican
Maria's scumflip makes tchill a lot townier IMO and I think I prefer this.

[tn5421]

Nah, when I flip town,

I don't have to play this game with you baddies anymore

man, is scumplaining all you do in this game?

Like, I already believe them to be scum, so, if the onus of pushing them is really "where is the case," then whatever case I make is going to be arbitrary and ultimately be me just arguing where I could see scum motivation in their posts, but, like, damn it, I already have stated that I see scum motivation/logic in those places, so can't you evaluate the slots on your own and determine if I'm wrong or not?

-obserVed

i'll take an arbitrary case filled with confBias over "just look at the slots im scumreading and tell me if I'm right" any day

you're gonna look real shitty when we flip town

[Panopticon]

Nah, when I flip town,

I don't have to play this game with you baddies anymore

man, is scumplaining all you do in this game?

Like, I already believe them to be scum, so, if the onus of pushing them is really "where is the case," then whatever case I make is going to be arbitrary and ultimately be me just arguing where I could see scum motivation in their posts, but, like, damn it, I already have stated that I see scum motivation/logic in those places, so can't you evaluate the slots on your own and determine if I'm wrong or not?

-obserVed

i'll take an arbitrary case filled with confBias over "just look at the slots im scumreading and tell me if I'm right" any day

you're gonna look real shitty when we flip town

[Brigand Vvulf]

oh, but shouldn't you be saying i'm a potato player instead? =)

[Brian Skies]

Pretty sure that was Toranaga calling people potatoes, not Panopticon.

[Hopkirk]

Still waiting for Pan to answer the questions I responded to them with.
Or for their lynch. Either way is fine.

[Hopkirk]

@Creature: what are your thoughts on Thor?

[Quick]

Pretty sure that was Toranaga calling people potatoes, not Panopticon.

Pretty sure that was a joke based on Pan calling people bad.

[Brian Skies]

What about srceenplay?

Srceenplay isn't really someone I've taken a hard look at, can you explain why you're scum reading them?

The only thing that really leaps out to me in his scumread of Quick is him attacking Quick's semantics, although in both cases I've gotten the feeling Srceen's either tonedeaf or missed the context. I think attacking semantics is really easy for scum to attack because it's easier to justify than trying to fake natural feelings or legitimate concerns or paranoia. I also didn't like his reaction to Thor, who was mostly fielding a response to Srceen when Srceen answered questions that weren't even directed toward him.

[Quick]

What about srceenplay?

Srceenplay isn't really someone I've taken a hard look at, can you explain why you're scum reading them?

The only thing that really leaps out to me in his scumread of Quick is him attacking Quick's semantics, although in both cases I've gotten the feeling Srceen's either tonedeaf or missed the context. I think attacking semantics is really easy for scum to attack because it's easier to justify than trying to fake natural feelings or legitimate concerns or paranoia. I also didn't like his reaction to Thor, who was mostly fielding a response to Srceen when Srceen answered questions that weren't even directed toward him.

I thought Screen's pissyness was pretty tonally Towny myself but ymmv.

[Quick]

You know what? No one really wants me in this game so I am going to replace out.

@Mod, replace me

[Hopkirk]

Eh, I was fine with how you were playing.