Open 721: Pick Your Poison (Game Over)

[Mathdino]

also what do i do with ap? i don't even know what he is roleplaying.

this is serious question.

watch Austin Powers

[ofrhz]

ofrhz - thoughts on oxy?

I'm not sure at time of writing this, so lemme type out loud:
- Early game, Oxy announced a couple of townreads like he did in 1859 (btw, Oxy was really town in 1859).
- Some mild sucking up to Mathdino, even though he's not quite townreading Math just yet. But tbh lots of people are doing this (sucking up), so I haven't decided if this point means anything yet.
- 280 [Math explained why he didn't want to push a Scioness wagon yet]: Seems to be a turning point for Oxy where he started townreading Mathdino. I agree with Oxy in that 280 is pro-town.
(...except last time I checked this thread, Mathdino was literally pushing Scioness lmao)
- 339: Oxy is no longer townreading Sunshine? hmmm this kinda contradicts 84.
- 376: I'm kinda confused by why he thinks I have a different mindset this game. I have more experience going into this game (ok, 1 game vs 0 but still), and this game, no one posted anything blatantly sketchy in the first page of the game for me to tunnel on. However, I think multiple people have echoed similar sentiments about not being sure how to read me at this point though (and my recent wallposts probably didn't help with that oops), so I think he was prudent to wait for more content.
- 378: Not really related to oxy, but multiple people have now said skitter cannot fake this entrance. ...really? skitter can't post 56 as scum?
- 388 [Oxy townreading Mathdino for holding back]: I think multiple people have brought up why this logic for doesn't make sense. I'd like to see Oxy follow up with this before passing judgment.
- I see Oxy has toned down the LAMIST the game. town++ lmao

I guess I'm tentatively townreading Oxy rn

@Oxy-

can you explain your read on Sunshine?

@Scioness-
- Not sure why you're pointing out the 'grossness' in Oxy's post. Like if Oxy did the same 'gross' thing in Newbie 1859, wouldn't it make it town-indicative or NAI because Oxy was town in 1859????

[Scioness Sajj]

also what do i do with ap? i don't even know what he is roleplaying.

this is serious question.

watch Austin Powers

are you telling me if I don't watch Austin Powers I won't be able to sort him?

[the worst]

also what do i do with ap? i don't even know what he is roleplaying.

this is serious question.

watch Austin Powers

are you telling me if I don't watch Austin Powers I won't be able to sort him?

Sort him on your own, he's a troll.

He is roleplaying a la Austin Powers (very well I might add)

[Mathdino]

also what do i do with ap? i don't even know what he is roleplaying.

this is serious question.

watch Austin Powers

are you telling me if I don't watch Austin Powers I won't be able to sort him?

this post might be funnier than anything AP has posted

[the worst]

also what do i do with ap? i don't even know what he is roleplaying.

this is serious question.

watch Austin Powers

are you telling me if I don't watch Austin Powers I won't be able to sort him?

this post might be funnier than anything AP has posted

+1 I stifled a giggling fit @ work

[Scioness Sajj]

[the worst]

I respect the earnestness.

[ofrhz]

@Scioness
got reads? besides Oxy

[ruru]

- I see Oxy has toned down the LAMIST the game. town++ lmao

Why do you find this town-indicative for him?

[Scioness Sajj]

@Scioness-
- Not sure why you're pointing out the 'grossness' in Oxy's post. Like if Oxy did the same 'gross' thing in Newbie 1859, wouldn't it make it town-indicative or NAI because Oxy was town in 1859????

okay so. i said it was gross becuase the tone bothers me and bothered me a lot in 1859. it was just an idication of me not liking the tone by itself. and yes, the tone itself is something i would townread him for.

but there is very little of it. I did expect him to tone it down after 1859 but it's been tonned down too much.

[Oxy]

gonna need help reading ofrhz (i have also been spelling his name wrong the whole time fucking lol) from 1859ers

i'm pretty sold by sunshine's argument in a vacuum

but sunshine obviously lacks the experience that 5 other players have with him

also i don't really feel like defending sunshine against 1 or 2 people who are effectively nullreading him

tl;dr the vast majority of his ISO would be very difficult for scum to fake, the nuance in the posts is incredible (even when i don't agree with the conclusions)
the last post is the nail in the... coffin...? of that townread

Edit: you're probably not the one i'd be trying to pocket, skitter. not after MKUltra

note: I'm in kind of a weird place in terms of what pages I've read and what I haven't. I'll be all caught up by tonight.

Math: Can you clarify for me what you meant by the bold? Which argument were you referring to?

[UglyDuck]

OK after completely catching up, here is my generalized reads list so that I do not take up 2 pages of space. If you have a question, or want more input on a specific read, just ask. If I posted all my notes it would of taken up until like page 25

Towny Side of Stuff

Oxy

- TownXTown to the tenth power. No avenues being produced through any of their reads to be looked at as possible set ups. Only player so far to me where like actually all of their content seems genuine.

Math

- driving the game. engaging with all players, yadda yadda. I will do a seperate post about both TW and Math, but strong TRs on both for now.

theworst

- driving the game. engaging with all players, yadda yadda. I will do a seperate post about both TW and Math, but strong TRs on both for now.

sunshine

- posting content, asking questions, obviously reading far into the game. Town traits, I don't see a reason to look here today.

Draynth

- Not a lot to go off of, but reads seem OK. I mean I disagree with his top two pushes, but I think for anyone to be pushing Math/TW right now I would of been granting some TP to because there has to be like a 0% chance they get lynched today.

Middle People

Skitter

- Lots of content once they started and they obviously are reading along intently and putting effort into pulling quotes and and explanations and etc. Some of the quotes though, have explanations that seems a little too specific to be something to actually care about on D1. Most recent example being calling Math skum because of a similarity to play style in MkUltra. Whatever, if I had to choose outside of null, def would pick Town, but null it is.

Scioness

- Trying to make some cases on some people for some kind of NAI reasons (IMO). However, as I am heavily TR on the worst right now, I feel like skum would be the first to jump off the L2 TW wagon early Day 1 for the credit (assuming I am right about Town!TW). Summary: Cases being made are skummy, actions seem more on the towny side of things.

Pin

- So I am 4 games on this forum and this is the third with Pin. I have thought he was skum in every game I have played with him, and so far have yet to be correct. I am putting him under Null because I am getting skummy vibes, but obv that has not worked out for me in the past. The thing is that I am getting skummy vibes because he is playing differently than he has in the other games I have played with him. Normally way more involved, and pushing the game along. That could be because Math/TW are kind of driving the bus here, or not, so yeah.. for now Null.

Mohab500

- No fucking idea. So weird. If anything I guess Town? but it takes me as much time to read one of their posts as it does to read a page of any other content so IDK.

AP

- Same thing as Mohab, kind of, on a lesser level. They are at least contributing in the game quite a bit, it is just all the other relaxed posts throw me off.

Skummy

Ruru

- Perfect amount of content for skum combined with the the content of that content. A little bit of the Game Set Up talk, a little bit of the rando joke around side content, some vote throws, and (what stood out to me) is just like lots of random questions. Not random I suppose, but questions that have been answered based on context of game or like ambiguous questions about general game play. They said this is their second game ever, so there could be that - but just a note from my POV, bc this site has so many ALTs, I disregard every player's "amount of games played posts".

ofrhz

- So this is kind of my main spot at this point. Starting with the Vig shot concept from a while back "why wouldn't Vig shoot N1". Regardless of the correct play, I feel like looking like it from that perspective is worried skum mindset where as Town Mindset would be "Oh god what if I guessed wrong".


So yeah. I don't see myself getting a Ruru train going rn based on everyone's posted standing, so... VOTE: ofrhz

[ofrhz]

- I see Oxy has toned down the LAMIST the game. town++ lmao

Why do you find this town-indicative for him?

Trying to not do things that would get him hard-tunneled for the wrong reasons is pro town. His playstyle has definitely changed, and it

could

be scum looking to not stick out as much, but this change is for the better

[ofrhz]

I have her [ruru] as a strong townread...

Why is this?

Spoiler:

Thoughts boiled down:
- She was a bit stiff in her last scumgame. She's done like a 180 this game on that front with regards to how she reacted in RVS and making jokes, etc. This is the major reason why I'm townreading her.
- She was really afraid to engage people as scum. In the scum pt for 1859, ruru was also stressing out over the fact that Mathdino replaced into the game, so I think skitter has a point about how scum!ruru would not vote Mathdino.
- Not really scumhunting, wanting to wagon lurkers. In her scumgame, she didn't really vote anyone who wasn't a lurker D1 until the last possible minute (in particular, she was voting lurkers over her other scumreads for most of D1). Her vote on Draynth was pretty good and not something scum ruru did in our previous game

Like this was her RVS vote last game. Scum trying to look like town trying to find scum.

VOTE: eth0s

Has a recent Last visited date and hasn't posted yet.

I was gonna find more examples of her stiffness, but I kinda got lazy.

[Mathdino]

gonna need help reading ofrhz (i have also been spelling his name wrong the whole time fucking lol) from 1859ers

i'm pretty sold by sunshine's argument in a vacuum

but sunshine obviously lacks the experience that 5 other players have with him

note: I'm in kind of a weird place in terms of what pages I've read and what I haven't. I'll be all caught up by tonight.

Math: Can you clarify for me what you meant by the bold? Which argument were you referring to?

i mean that if ofrhz had anyone else's name attached to him, i'd be voting him right now sheeping sunshine. "a vacuum" just means "pretending that other games don't exist"

the problem is sunshine and i both lack the firsthand experience with ofrhz that 5 other players have, and i want that read to be backed up by that experience

- I see Oxy has toned down the LAMIST the game. town++ lmao

Why do you find this town-indicative for him?

Trying to not do things that would get him hard-tunneled for the wrong reasons is pro town. His playstyle has definitely changed, and it

could

be scum looking to not stick out as much, but this change is for the better

wat
it's not oxy's responsibility if he's town to stop doing things that people scumread him for
those scumreads were bad in the first place
do you think he as scum would choose to do the LAMISTy stuff all over again?
what about the LAMISTiness makes him MORE likely to be town than scum? what about it is something scum wouldn't do?

[ruru]

Yeah it's pro-town if he's town but that's not exactly the same thing as town-indicative

I guess I'm wondering who is more likely to tone down the LAMIST, town!oxy or scum!oxy? I'm inclined to believe self-awareness is more scummy than towny and that "writes a post and then deletes it because it felt too awkward" is like a scum trait, having done this like 500 times myself last game

Like he was even a PR last game and still LAMISTed like every other post

[Mathdino]

scum!oxy is more likely to, straight up
town!oxy's job is to find scum, not to be townread
that said i believe he's town for other reasons
and you're right that is a scum trait for most players
some players rewrite their posts over and over by default though
NSG is a prime example of this

[ruru]

UglyDuck have you skimmed 1859 yet?

[Mathdino]

the fuck

*I*

still haven't skimmed 1859 and i played it

[ruru]

some players rewrite their posts over and over by default though

I think I'm one of those players too but I still did it

more

as scum

[Oxy]

Thanks, Math. You guys are having this discussion too early. I'm working my way through, and you'll have more to work with by the end of the night. I won't sleep until I've caught up, responded to whatever, and added to the game.

Like he was even a PR last game and still LAMISTed like every other post

FTR, this was on purpose because past!Oxy wanted to be active and didn't want to obv!town so much that he would get nk'd. Past!Oxy was an idiot.

[Oxy]

Past!Oxy had a terrible game.

[ofrhz]

Yeah I think you guys have a point, but Oxy toned down his LAMIST in D2 of 1859. So I don't tthink scum!Oxy is more likely than town!Oxy to tone down LAMIST. I was more thinking from the angle of him not being LAMIST-y helps people form better reads, which is pro-town given how much town was dragged down by that in 1859.

[Scioness Sajj]

@Scioness
got reads? besides Oxy

I have just isoed AP and I sorta want to give him a really slight townlean by comparision to Mohab. I wouldn't call him a troll actually. I'm probably missing some meaning from his posts but he doesn't seem purposefully confusing. This read is bad but he doesn't feel bad, I guess.

you - meh, you have dodged my questions ealier but 480 is so lazy that it makes me think you are more likely town for it than scum.

I'm a little worried about skitter because we aren't on the same page but I think this issue will solve itself later.

ruru is okay, math is sort of okay. I will poke people more tomorrow when I actually catch up.