Open 721: Pick Your Poison (Game Over)

[Oxy]

I'll write up a big old thing tomorrow about why i find the worst scummy independent of all of this associations stuff

But the basic gist of it is this:

The worst is independently scummy
Ofrhz is independently scummy
The worst talks to everyone who is around as if it is compulsory.
The worst has only directly spoken to Ofrhz 4 times through post 626 (where I stopped)
2 were in rvs stage and were fluff
1 was outside rvs stage and was fluff
and the other was a j'accuse post
24,33,285,624
This is not town!worst interacting with town!ofrhz.

[the worst]

Yes. Sorry if I sounded overly fired up earlier.

[the worst]

I'll write up a big old thing tomorrow about why i find the worst scummy independent of all of this associations stuff

But the basic gist of it is this:

The worst is independently scummy
Ofrhz is independently scummy
The worst talks to everyone who is around as if it is compulsory.
The worst has only directly spoken to Ofrhz 4 times through post 626 (where I stopped)
2 were in rvs stage and were fluff
1 was outside rvs stage and was fluff
and the other was a j'accuse post
24,33,285,624
This is not town!worst interacting with town!ofrhz.

I'll process this later.
Your suggestion based on this conclusion?

[Draynth]

Spoiler: TW/Math

@Oxy.

VOTE: UglyDuck

ƃuᴉlʞɔnp feels like its trying
Draynth tbc

does anyone wanna help me figure out if uglyduck is getting bussed or if he's the designated mislynch

Sure

Who's voting him atm?

I lol'd

@universe anyone played with draynth before?

He repped into newbie 1797 a year ago ~12 hours before the day1 deadline. He was asleep before I was around, and he got lynched after I went asleep and before he woke up or something, so, like, I was technically in a game with him but we didn't actually interact.

He was more try-hard there, but his slot was imminently getting lynched, so idk if that means much.

What was his alignment? Probably means nothing but circumstantial > nothing

I was town
Game can be found here

It might seem weird but the bolded actually really makes me thing he's town

The line above that is kinda absolving himself of responsiblity for his vote

What did you mean by this?

Why don't you think that thinking logically is a towntell? or do you mean just for MathDino?

I don't think it's a towntell for Math. (Ie that's how town!him plays and I think scum!him emulates that)

I've never played with Math before.
Do you have any suggestions for past games to skim through?
If not I'll find one or two myself

[the worst]

I'll link you to ones I've been in so at least you can see where my pov is coming from. He has a great knack for rolling town a lot.

[the worst]

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=50&t=74328
My first game on site (some cringe). Math rep'd into a town slot. I was bad town.

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=94&t=75173
Few games later, theme game and was pretty scum sided. I was scum Math was town.



Happy to add commentary around those if you'd like

[Draynth]

VOTE: ruru

I know it's already been mentioned but let's not do this

It's also an attempt to find out if it's purely a playstyle thing and try interact with TW.

What. What sort of interactions were you looking to elicit that would allow you to sort his helpfulness as either playstyle indicative or alignment indicative?

Anything at all, I meant to actually ask some questions to follow up but had to head out unexpectedly.
I wanted to see if TW would keep being so chipper and relaxed if put under some pressure, the fact that it was just a naked vote kinda made it redundant though.

HURT: Mohab

Is this just a display of wanting Mohab to be vigged? Haven't played many games with a vig in the setup

Does anyone wanna just compromise and lollynch Draynth

I'm gonna go ahead and suggest against this...?

[Draynth]

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=50&t=74328
My first game on site (some cringe). Math rep'd into a town slot. I was bad town.

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=94&t=75173
Few games later, theme game and was pretty scum sided. I was scum Math was town.



Happy to add commentary around those if you'd like

Thanks, I'll have a skim through these now

[Draynth]

Well, sometimes I like to push peope’s buttons, see how they react.

Total scumslip, btw.

And what did you garner from said button pushing?

[Draynth]

Also,

UNVOTE: the worst
Pending reading the two games TW linked

I made the unvote correct because it's annoying for me to have to fix it every vote count.

[the worst]

my wiki has all my completed games as both alignments so far (tinymeta) along with some thoughts if you'd like a look.

they're good for math/me dynamics but less so for meta reading me specifically

[Draynth]

VOTE: oxy

content or tunnel

Any update on this?

[Draynth]

my wiki has all my completed games as both alignments so far (tinymeta) along with some thoughts if you'd like a look.

they're good for math/me dynamics but less so for meta reading me specifically

I probably will at some point, work gets awfully boring at times

[Draynth]

@Mohab
Who do you think is town / scum / a flying spaghetti monster rn?

[the worst]

so why I'm basically like kill bill siren scumreading math right now

in our most recent finished game math underestimated the fuck out of my scumrange and hard meta townread me for the entire game. I basically just played to my cliche town meta at the time and coasted my way to victory. I'm like 80%+ sure Math realises his ability to meta read me is hit-and-miss.

his scumread on me seems to keep getting deeper and deeper... yet he still keeps talking about pushing it off to D2

1) applying this against town!Math, I've never seen him not charge after his target. the dude is literally a t-rex with fresh meat in sight when he sees someone he is convinced is scum. if he is scumreading me for reals I can't see him not out for my blood. he feels waaayyyy too hesitant here and this is NOT something I'm used to seeing from town!Math. the following quote is garbage on nearly every level and he knows it (the exception being that hells yeah I'm pro town! : D)

TW is pro-town/readable enough as scum and i can probably get him to bus down the line if it comes to that

2) applying this against scum!Math I kinda have this weird theory forming. I think he wants to keep me for a LyLo/lategame mislynch, potentially even a mutually-assured destruction kind of situation. I have not been putting as much effort into obvtowning this game as I do

very rarely

as town in other games. frankly I'm fairly capable of "obvtowning" as either alignment to some extent. Math knows this. this is not my scumgame. this is my disengaged lazy game.

skitter30 can probably back me up here--I am definitelyyyyyyy not unlynchable. but when I'm under extreme pressure as town, I flail beautifully.
in my only mislynch on site so far (Open 711: Stack the Deck modded by Math) I had one maf+(unfortunately super scummy town) pinned and was continually arguing with a SECOND scum who unfortunately I didn't push super hard because they had claimed PR. the third scum was a troll.

on the flipside, scum!me under pressure tends to just deflate and start lolcatting.




thinking logically fucking hurts my brain but my current theory:

> scum!Math has recognised this as a lazy game for me and that I'm a potential mislynch.
> scum!Math is pushing this off til D2 or later because 1) pushing me early is bad, + 2) he needs ample towncred to call my reads shit OR 3) he wants his team townblocked so no one will believe my reads




I'm an introvert
I get hard scumreads when my slot feels poorly treated
sue me

[the worst]

I probably need

skitter30, ruru, Sunshine and pintu

to weigh in here.

hmu friends

just stating for the record: I do not trust Oxy currently.
he was either seriously overtired with his last attempt to gamesolve, or he's scum.

[Draynth]

just stating for the record: I do not trust Oxy currently.
he was either seriously overtired with his last attempt to gamesolve, or he's scum.

Since we're both here, which points in particular do you not agree with?

[brassherald]

Also,

VOTE: Unvote
Pending reading the two games TW linked

While I will count this in my next vote count, in the future, please try to use Unvote tags, rather than Vote tags with Unvote written in.

[the worst]

This is not town!worst interacting with town!ofrhz.

like this kinda stuff

he's spouting random statistics + reads and throwing out outcomes with no logical trajectory.......
this is probably the prime example that just made me go ?_? wtf ?_?

can you see where he was going with any of this tonight?

[the worst]

probably townreading the effort more than scumreading the bad result

dude was tired and probably needs to think through stuff a bit more

[Draynth]

Also,

VOTE: Unvote
Pending reading the two games TW linked

While I will count this in my next vote count, in the future, please try to use Unvote tags, rather than Vote tags with Unvote written in.

Sure, bad habit of mine

[the worst]

What do you make of all this Oxy?

You're both scum. This is just the icing on the cake. You're both just obv!scum

Explain.

Nah, I'm going back to catchup

> data
??????
> conclusion

is why people have issues with IIOA bro

Actually, more catchup in the morning. I'm sleepy.

this was seriously bad tho

[brassherald]

And

[brassherald]

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[brassherald]

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