Open 721: Pick Your Poison (Game Over)

[ofrhz]

whew tensions are running high

~ some lighthearted fluff to break the tension ~

<SNIP>
which is about as ai as

whether or not he smells like fucking fish

.

fwiw, I don't think I smell like fish

Are you a passive observer or are you playing in this game?

At this point there are a bunch of serious conversations and spicy reads/accusations being thrown around and explored.

And you decide to shitpost? Where is the game solve you had last game?

p.edit Pin, you're my next deep dive. The worst also ignored you this game. He spoke to you directly two times and about you once through post 626 (where i stopped recording stuff) posts 235, 381, and 209. 2 fluff posts and him asking me why I town read you.

This wasn’t a shitpost. I did feel that the level of aggro, while not personal yet, was too uncomfortable for me as a player in this game.

I read AP’s argument, but I wasn’t really going to seriously consider scumteam suggestions with ruru in it. Plus other people were pointing out some of the other assumptions I saw in AP’s case.

??? is my lazy way of asking people to elaborate. Gonna start using real words now.

Other conversation going on was you and pin about the first couple of sentences of UD’s readlist, which once I understood, didn’t convince me all that much, but the rest of UD’s readlist was scummy anyway.

Tbh I think you’re overstating how many questions I ask. I asked a lot of questions last game because I simply didn’t understand what people were saying or the arguments they were trying to push.

Skitter, Math, TW - the order of my reads on these people from town to scum, but tbh they all feel town to me. Having said that, I skimmed one of Math and TW’s scum game each, and I have zero confidence in my reads on Math and TW right now. I’m not sure how I’m supposed to have an opinion when these three decided it’s not worth lynching any of them today and are purposefully holding back some of the reasons why they’re scumreading each other.

On that last point, I read TW’s long post from last night, and it makes sense much like a convincing argument would without anyone to argue the other side. So I’m just gonna wait for Math to respond if he wants.

And I’m like kinda hyper aware of how TW might be pocketing me, and I think I’ve been asking people (Math and AP) about their scumreads on him because of this.

[ofrhz]

@pin, who do you think is the scumteam?

[ofrhz]

On a side note, I’m pretty sure Oxy is town lol

[pinturicchio]

@pin, who do you think is the scumteam?

Uglyduck, Mathdino and the worst

[Oxy]

I could be convinced to lynch The Worst first
but it isn't my preference.

[ofrhz]

The 1v1 between Math and TW is fabricated? I didn’t get that feeling at all

[ofrhz]

I’ll reread their conversation more carefully later but typing on phone now

[AP]

The Worst Directly speaking to people through post 626
Mathdino: 28
Ruru: 12
Sunshine:9
Oxy: 8
Skitter30:7
Scioness Sajj: 6
Ofrhz:4
UglyDuck:3 <--low post number
Pinturicchio:2 <-had more than twice as many posts as uglyDuck as of 626
Draynth:1 <--low post number
Mohab500: <-- more posts, but all at once, and little content.

Looks like it's becoming a habbit of yours not to include me in your posts. Makes me want to double check my role PM lest we're scum together and I didn't notice.

Hmm.. nope.. I can assume I'm colour-blind and can't tell red from green, but the fact there are no names and no link to a PT still make me think I'm aligned with the Town.

Tea.. Oh .. Double You .. Enn. Yeah, that looks like TOWN to me, unless it's an abbreviation for This Odiously Wanking Nutter

[Oxy]

i'm so cute now

Oops - The worst spoke directly to you 8 times by post 626

[AP]

VOTE: UglyDuck

[Oxy]

i'm so cute now

Oops - The worst spoke directly to you 8 times by post 626

This was directed at AP - ofrhz quote was random.

[ruru]

724 is the most questionable reason ever to scumread ofrhz

[pinturicchio]

VOTE: UglyDuck

I've been waiting for this since forever. YEAH BABY YEAH!

[Oxy]

here are some of the posts that I think are more likely to come from scum!ofrhz than town!ofrhz.

Spoiler:

Almost all the reads seemed super generic / possibly faked

This makes sense.

This same reasoning is making me doubt my townread of Scioness. I don’t really see an issue with her rvs vote, but her reads were kinda vague even if I agreed with most of them.

"you're not obvtown yet even though you're usually obvtown as town"
is a valid reason for voting someone IMO

Ok gonna try harder to newb town

- I see Oxy has toned down the LAMIST the game. town++ lmao

Why do you find this town-indicative for him?

Trying to not do things that would get him hard-tunneled for the wrong reasons is pro town. His playstyle has definitely changed, and it

could

be scum looking to not stick out as much, but this change is for the better

Yeah I think you guys have a point, but Oxy toned down his LAMIST in D2 of 1859. So I don't tthink scum!Oxy is more likely than town!Oxy to tone down LAMIST. I was more thinking from the angle of him not being LAMIST-y helps people form better reads, which is pro-town given how much town was dragged down by that in 1859.

Draynth

- Not a lot to go off of, but reads seem OK. I mean I disagree with his top two pushes, but I think for anyone to be pushing Math/TW right now I would of been granting some TP to because there has to be like a 0% chance they get lynched today.

Er... your two scumreads are in his townreads. And also while you have some overlapping reads with Draynth, your reasons for those reads are different (e.g. Draynth's read on skitter was null bc he literally just skipped skitter's posts, whereas you have a nullread on skitter for a very different reason). What there anything else about his reads that pinged you as town?

^ more troubling is the fact that he never really followed up on interacting with TW imo

^ I did ask you, a townlean of mine, a question in 501

Otherwise that's kinda valid to point out, but really I'm having trouble keeping track of everything and keep having to ask people for their goddamn reads.

@ruru: can you vote for who you think is scum? or at least say who you think is scum

whew tensions are running high

~ some lighthearted fluff to break the tension ~

<SNIP>
which is about as ai as

whether or not he smells like fucking fish

.

fwiw, I don't think I smell like fish

well hey now that's personal attack

Oxy, you realize your case on me is basically that I'm different from the last game? A lot of people have said the same thing about you

pedit: wat why

I was explaining to UD the bussing theory

But yeah I kinda get that tbh

lmao whoops vote me

I'll even self hammer

Hmm, I'm not sure if anything else I say at this point will be useful. So I'm going to bed

If people wanna PL me, then I probably deserve that

[pinturicchio]

Dear Oxy,

You're tunneling ofrhz the same way you tunneled Scioness and skitter in a less degree.

Yours truly,

Pin

[ruru]

@UD

UglyDuck have you skimmed 1859 yet?

no. Is it really worth my time? I mean I will if I have to, but if it sucks I am gonna be pissed lol

Well, 7 players from this game were in it, so it might help you form better reads

Can you give us your wall on why Md is town? I think I'm most interested in that atm

[Mathdino]

Votecount 1.NO DUCKS LEFT TO GIVE

UglyDuck(3)

~ pinturicchio(50), ofrhz(83), AP(58)

ofrhz(3)

~ UglyDuck(20), Mathdino(114), Oxy(104)

the worst(1)

~ Draynth(25)

Oxy(1)

~ Scioness Sajj(36)

Mathdino(1)

~ the worst(187)

AP(1)

~ ruru(57)


Not Voting (3): Sunshine13(27), Mohab500(46), skitter30(36)

With 13 alive it takes 7 to lynch.

Day 1 deadline is in (expired on 2018-04-30 16:45:00)

Please note that this is not an official vote count, and is incorrect as to Draynth's vote. Do not tell the moderator about this, he already knows.

[Mathdino]

VOTE: UglyDuck

i feel better about this one at this point

[Oxy]

fine.
VOTE: UglyDuck

[ruru]

Okay so AP

0. Is an experienced player, as evidenced by 641 (knows the reputation of another player, TW) and the fact that he was bored enough on his main account to make an alt
1. Somehow comes to the conclusion of ruru+TW+UD
2. Votes for TW/ruru as lynches and UD as a vig shot when there's an actual lynch wagon on UD, and TW and I are harder to lynch (also if there's no vig, scum know it and have way less responsibility for their vig votes)
3. When put on the spot, claims he was "less sure" of UD for a reason that should honestly make UD 95% town rather than "less sure scum" if TW+ruru are scum. c.f. I picked up on 524 and I'm new and terrible at this game
4. Evades my questions and none of the above has actually been explained

Is this not super scummy to anyone else like why are we duckhunting?????

[ruru]

Also please don't put UD on L-1 before we all vote on vig shots

[Mathdino]

...just shoot mohab it's not that hard

although shooting ofrhz might make more sense

god why did so many people ask to be lynched lol
HURT: ofrhz
this is more likely to hit scum and more likely to reduce paranoia/gamesolve even if town

[Mathdino]

oh hahahaha i think i might know who AP is

i won't out them if i figure it out for sure though

[pinturicchio]

...just shoot mohab it's not that hard

although shooting ofrhz might make more sense

god why did so many people ask to be lynched lol
HURT: ofrhz
this is more likely to hit scum and more likely to reduce paranoia/gamesolve even if town

Or put Ugly on L-1, wait for the claim and if he claims VT he gets shot? I know a game where this was optimal

[Mathdino]

...just shoot mohab it's not that hard

although shooting ofrhz might make more sense

god why did so many people ask to be lynched lol
HURT: ofrhz
this is more likely to hit scum and more likely to reduce paranoia/gamesolve even if town

Or put Ugly on L-1, wait for the claim and if he claims VT he gets shot? I know a game where this was optimal

this strategy doesn't work if there's no vig

when there's for sure a vig, you run up 2 people in succession

when there isn't, you lynch your top scumread (to make sure they die) and hypothetically shoot your second top