Open 721: Pick Your Poison (Game Over)

[AP]

oh hahahaha i think i might know who AP is

i won't out them if i figure it out for sure though

If you don't know me by now, you will never never never know me --

Simply

Red

[Mohab500]

@Mohab: can you explain your scumreads on Draynth and skitter?

They just feel like kinda fake/basic scum trick stuff tbh

[the worst]

Vig shot count

ofrhz (1)

: Mathdino

UglyDuck (1)

: AP

Mohab500 (1)

: ruru

Not Voting (10)

: the worst, Draynth, Sunshine13, UglyDuck, Mohab500, Oxy, skitter30, pinturicchio, Scioness Sajj, ofrhz

I don't really want to direct night actions so I'm boycotting this.

@vig if ur ther -- if you have a strong ass scumread who is unlynchable shoot the fuck out of them (as long as your reads arent awful). UD+ofrhz+Mohab is a goodish pool but just try and be aware of whether you can trust your gut



p.s. fnords in this post say "SHOOT THE DINO SHOOT THE DINO SHOOT THE DINO"

[the worst]

Lmaaoooo

[Mathdino]

ruru, scioness is also just town

if we get a scumflip between ofrhz/TW we can also confirm scioness is town by that logic

also i'm starting to think TW is town so there's definitely a scumread that slipped by me

could be oxy but for now this solidifies scum in {UglyDuck, Draynth}

How do you feel about Oxy's....... "analysis" because it's starting to scare the fuck out of me

pretty townish, otherwise not that interesting

vote for shooting ofrhz pls

Edit: wow yeah vig playing hero is potentially the most anti-town idea possible

[the worst]

Mistook for 1 shot vig l0l

Ok shoot it tonight then shoot the dino tomorrow night

[the worst]

ruru, scioness is also just town

if we get a scumflip between ofrhz/TW we can also confirm scioness is town by that logic

also i'm starting to think TW is town so there's definitely a scumread that slipped by me

could be oxy but for now this solidifies scum in {UglyDuck, Draynth}

How do you feel about Oxy's....... "analysis" because it's starting to scare the fuck out of me

pretty townish, otherwise not that interesting

vote for shooting ofrhz pls

Edit: wow yeah vig playing hero is potentially the most anti-town idea possible

Problem.
If loud and charismatic scum steer the vig shot, it is MORE anti town.
Don't act like you don't see it

[Mathdino]

TW i'm on record for using this strategy elsewhere, don't give me that shit

that's like arguing that lynches are bad because loud and charismatic scum can steer the lynch

the fact is that the group is better than the one at finding scum

people who retreat into themselves and then play hero with the vigshot almost always end up shooting
- players who are town and would never be lynched
- power roles

i've played/seen games where vigs have shot:
- me for figuring out all the PRs
- the cop
- the doctor
- other vigs
- my top townread
- the town leader
- someone the bodyguard was protecting

towns are shit
vigs are anti-town by default
the only way to change that is to crowdsource vig shots

[the worst]

i've played/seen games where vigs have shot:
- someone the bodyguard was protecting

ok...got me in the feels....

HURT: mohab for nowsies

[the worst]

I'm suddenly feeling "randomlynching in lovers doesnt work" level stupid

[skitter30]

Okay never mind actually

Ugh I feel like I really need input from skitter and SS

PE: SS confused you and TW, which is unlikely to happen naturally if there is scumteam with SS + a duck. So I'm like 80% ready to rule out SS+you and SS+TW and this is one of the reasons I think all three of you are not so good lynches today

Hey I'm around for a bit before my next class. I've vaguely skimmed but I haven't really read past ~page 25.

[Mathdino]

I'm suddenly feeling "randomlynching in lovers doesnt work" level stupid

I mean the only people who claimed that were scum so

[the worst]

I'm suddenly feeling "randomlynching in lovers doesnt work" level stupid

I mean the only people who claimed that were scum so

incorrect.

[ruru]

This page is kind of damaging my TR of TW

[pinturicchio]

@Dino correct me if I'm wrong, but since there's a chance of a Vig existance, then how do we evade him shooting a PR? Should the designated vigkill claim or what?

[ruru]

That's part of the point of voting I think

[ruru]

Okay never mind actually

Ugh I feel like I really need input from skitter and SS

PE: SS confused you and TW, which is unlikely to happen naturally if there is scumteam with SS + a duck. So I'm like 80% ready to rule out SS+you and SS+TW and this is one of the reasons I think all three of you are not so good lynches today

Hey I'm around for a bit before my next class. I've vaguely skimmed but I haven't really read past ~page 25.

Okay so I don't TR Md but I think he's kind of a poor D1 lynch because town!Md is really valuable?

Who do you think we should we lynch if not AP or Md

I think I trust you, ofrhz, and SS the most right now

maybe

[Oxy]

fine.
VOTE: UglyDuck

What happened to your UD townread?

math, pintu, ruru all disagreed

[Oxy]

How do you feel about Oxy's....... "analysis" because it's starting to scare the fuck out of me

I bet it is

[Oxy]

HURT: Ofrhz

MD is still obv town
but also should have me as practically conf!town by this point

[skitter30]

I'm like ~10 pages behind so I'm not fully informed.

-> I scumread math but I don't think it's a good idea to push his lynch right now; it'll fuck over the gamestate and I irl don't think I have time for that before the day ends.

-> I don't want to lynch AP; I'm fairly confidant he's town if you're town.

Going by the last vc to see what the gamestate is kinda at:

-> I don't really get the scumreads on ofrhz

-> UD's posting is kinda gross but I kinda don't think it comes from newbscum tbh. It's almost *too* bad. And like too naive maybe? And there's a few of his posts in ~700s (which is wehre I am) that I have trouble seeing coming from newbscum

-> lol we're not lynching you today

-> oxy might be scum here tbh. Last time, despite bieng super tunneled, there were some posts that I didnt' really think came from scum. I haven't really seen any posts like that here. I feel like he's almost tyring too hard to scumread ofrhz. I think he might be buddying math. Like I've seen nothing to townread and last time despite being *super tunneled* I saw things to townread, so that's worrying me.

-> Already talked about math and AP.

[Mathdino]

@Dino correct me if I'm wrong, but since there's a chance of a Vig existance, then how do we evade him shooting a PR? Should the designated vigkill claim or what?

That's part of the point of voting I think

[UglyDuck]

@Dino correct me if I'm wrong, but since there's a chance of a Vig existance, then how do we evade him shooting a PR? Should the designated vigkill claim or what?

kill claim would prob not be good:

1) if there is no vig then it allows skum to shoot that player (assuming town) and then cases can be made that vig/skum shot the same target (i.e. opens the door for a fake claim)
2) if there is a vig and they claim Player A is target, then either way Skum shoots the Vig
- if Player A is Town then, Vig dies, another Town down
- if Player B is Skum then, Vig dies and 1 skum down.

3) if there is a vig and they Do NOT claim any target, or that they are a Vig at all,
- Skum knows there is a vig but not who it is
- Skum has to shoot hoping not to hit the same target as the Vig
- Also it kinda creates enough info (for the other Town PRs) when the night is over to safely take fake claiming off the table for skum.


I see no point in vig claim stuff.
The hypo-claim "hurt thing" seems OK? but still I just think that it is too open ended and will end up being beneficial to skum. but since we all seem to be participating in this I suppose HURT: Ofrhz (dunno the tag) is what I would do.

[Oxy]

scum never tries to hit the same target at the vig. How does that ever help their win con?

In a world where we vote on the vig kill, if scum hits that target, it's basically an extra lynch with no night phase.

and that is def pro town.

[Oxy]

oh, i misunderstood you.

no, the vig does not claim.