Open 721: Pick Your Poison (Game Over)

[AP]

People I won't be shooting (if I was the vig, that is ) pinturicchio / Draynth / Oxy / Mathdino

Otherwise it really depends on the lynchee and their flip.

[ruru]

2. I don't think this takes into account the opinions on meta that Mathdino has shared in this thread and around this site.

Can you be more specific?

[AP]

It goes without saying that I also won't be lynching in these four, just to make it abundantly clear.

[ofrhz]

What if Math, Oxy, skitter, and ruru are all town? Given this, who should we lynch today? Please discuss (seriously, I’m stuck).

If nobody else wants to lynch AP, then yeah probably Draynth/Mohab I guess

I'm kinda thinking sunshine/pin are somewhat towny now

TW closer to null than before

UD more town or scum?

[ruru]

Town I guess

[ofrhz]

@TW who are your scumreads after Math? I don’t think it’s useful to be voting for him today

[skitter30]

@oxy: K, so you're like spreasheeting interactions people have with each other. Is it a general scum-trait that scum don't interact with their partners? Is it a scum-trait for either ofrhz or the worst specifically? If yes, why do you think that? If not, why on earth is that relevant, and why do you keep bringing it up, and are you using it as evidence of them being partners? And if you don't think their interactions are tvt, why do you think it's svs and not, say, svt?

Yeah, I'd bet good money it's AI for the Worst.
If he's in a thread, and you're in a thread, town!duckling engages with you. Some fluff, sure, but also about the game.

So when I scum read Ofrhz, and I scum read The Worst, and then I go and see that even though both of them were talking in the thread around the same time for dozens of pages, the worst hasn't said a single word about the game directly to Ofrhz (other than to eventually say he was scum), I think it is good complimentary evidence to my scum reads.

Have you played with TW before? Specifically scum!TW before?

I feel like this is fairly circumstantial evidence that you're using to back a pre-flip read when you don't know that either of them are scum. Like I don't feel like this evidence is inherently AI and I don't like that you're using it as a reason to teamread them.

[skitter30]

so I mean I put it there, and then you bolded it.... I said it was a real question. As in, "admitting I could of been wrong, someone give me some insight"....

My question wasnt a real question because I didn’t demarcate it as such? Like really?

I’m willing to consider your POV as town only because skitter said so, but it’s really hard for me to do when your scumreading me for really bad (and now hypocritical!) reasons

I'm getting some buddying vibes from you tbh.

And yeah the posts he made on this page are kinda townie imo.

[skitter30]

Yeah I have the feeling one of {Oxy, Md} is scum. Probably not both but I don't know? I don't really like their voting either way

Would you be satisfied with flipping Oxy today because I feel like I still wouldn't know what to do with Md if Oxy flipped red and that makes me less interested in lynching Oxy

I'm not sure if that even makes sense though honestly

I have too many null/scumreads

I feel you on oxy and math. I don't really think they're *both* scum? Like they're propping up townreads on each other and voting with each other too often imo; I feel like scum try not to be that connected to their partners.

I need to finish catching up but as of right now I think I'd be cool with flipping oxy. town!Math might get sorted via nk if we're lucky and then we don't have to actually sort him. If he's around late-stage I'd find that suspicious tbh.

I have too many townreads I think.

[Oxy]

Have you played with TW before? Specifically scum!TW before?

I feel like this is fairly circumstantial evidence that you're using to back a pre-flip read when you don't know that either of them are scum. Like I don't feel like this evidence is inherently AI and I don't like that you're using it as a reason to teamread them.

This is gross. Reads on each of them were formed prior to any association analysis.
Association analysis purely icing on cake.

[Oxy]

2. I don't think this takes into account the opinions on meta that Mathdino has shared in this thread and around this site.

Can you be more specific?

Sure.

Actual experience playing with a person counts for far more when making a meta case than any other sort of analysis. (mathdino's opinion)

[skitter30]

What if Math, Oxy, skitter, and ruru are all town? Given this, who should we lynch today? Please discuss (seriously, I’m stuck).

Why town!oxy?

There was a post somewhere in the pages that I skimmed from draynth that I kinda liked and thought didn't come from scum.

Specifically:

Does anyone wanna just compromise and lollynch Draynth

I'm gonna go ahead and suggest against this...?

I don't really feel like scum suggest themselves as a compromise lynch tbh.

[skitter30]

Have you played with TW before? Specifically scum!TW before?

I feel like this is fairly circumstantial evidence that you're using to back a pre-flip read when you don't know that either of them are scum. Like I don't feel like this evidence is inherently AI and I don't like that you're using it as a reason to teamread them.

This is gross. Reads on each of them were formed prior to any association analysis.
Association analysis purely icing on cake.

yes, and I think that tying them together by how many times they responded to each other and using that to form an associative read before either of them have flipped is gross.

[Oxy]

What if Math, Oxy, skitter, and ruru are all town? Given this, who should we lynch today? Please discuss (seriously, I’m stuck).

Why town!oxy?

There was a post somewhere in the pages that I skimmed from draynth that I kinda liked and thought didn't come from scum.

Specifically:

Does anyone wanna just compromise and lollynch Draynth

I'm gonna go ahead and suggest against this...?

I don't really feel like scum suggest themselves as a compromise lynch tbh.

HE IS LITERALLY DOING THE EXACT OPPOSITE

You misread the reasoning for my scum reads and now this. Skitter, PLZ READ

[Oxy]

yes, and I think that tying them together by how many times they responded to each other and using that to form an associative read before either of them have flipped is gross.

okay. so let's go back to my reads from before the association analysis. I still think they are scum. Better?

[skitter30]

HE IS LITERALLY DOING THE EXACT OPPOSITE

You misread the reasoning for my scum reads and now this. Skitter, PLZ READ

That's not really how I read it, but yeah I guess I can see the other way too.

[skitter30]

yes, and I think that tying them together by how many times they responded to each other and using that to form an associative read before either of them have flipped is gross.

okay. so let's go back to my reads from before the association analysis. I still think they are scum. Better?

Yeah, I don't have a problem with you thinking they're scum individually. I have a problem with saying they make sense together cuz ofrhz only interacted with tw like six times or whatever it is when I don't think that's a scumtell and when neither of them have flipped yet.

[UglyDuck]

Lists are in no particular order

Town
Scioness Sajj
AP
Ruru
Mathdino
UglyDuck
Sunshine13

Town Lean
Pinturicchio
Mohab500

Null
Draynth
Skitter30

Scum
Ofrhz
The Worst

Mod
BrassHerald

You are voting for town btw lol

[Oxy]

Lists are in no particular order

Town
Scioness Sajj
AP
Ruru
Mathdino
UglyDuck
Sunshine13

Town Lean
Pinturicchio
Mohab500

Null
Draynth
Skitter30

Scum
Ofrhz
The Worst

Mod
BrassHerald

You are voting for town btw lol

It's kind of a nod to the fact that a couple of my best town reads think you're scum

And partly a vote lodged in protest because mathdino is being slow to come around.

[Oxy]

It makes sense in my head. I'm aggravated with mathdino, and I'm taking it out on you.

[ofrhz]

What if Math, Oxy, skitter, and ruru are all town? Given this, who should we lynch today? Please discuss (seriously, I’m stuck).

Why town!oxy?

He is hard tunneling me, and I highly doubt this kind of tunnel is coming from scum. It’s incredibly similar to the Scioness tunnel where he thought literally everything Scioness wrote reeked scum, even though no one else saw it. I think the fact that he has maintained this read even though not that many people agree reinforces my read on him.

I think his vote on UD was townish in that he was trying to form wagons.

He has decided to sheep Math, but I don’t think this is buddying. Oxy only sheeps Math for reads he’s unsure about. But like in the case of TW, Math is townreading TW now I think, but Oxy is still scumreading TW.

There was a post somewhere in the pages that I skimmed from draynth that I kinda liked and thought didn't come from scum.

Specifically:

Does anyone wanna just compromise and lollynch Draynth

I'm gonna go ahead and suggest against this...?

I don't really feel like scum suggest themselves as a compromise lynch tbh.

I’m pretty sure Draynth was saying not to lynch him.

[skitter30]

It's kind of a nod to the fact that a couple of my best town reads think you're scum

And partly a vote lodged in protest because mathdino is being slow to come around.

[ofrhz]

It makes sense in my head. I'm aggravated with mathdino, and I'm taking it out on you.

This doesn’t feel like buddying either

[Oxy]

Fight me, skitter.

My reads are super clear,
And I'm sheeping solid town reads.

It's a pro town mood, and I can be melodramatic about it if I want to.

[Oxy]

move*