Open 721: Pick Your Poison (Game Over)

[Mathdino]

Ya but I am lazy

I'll get to it, who's better to vote?

no idea, you tell me

[skitter30]

I feel like you have explained my point for yourself here. in 1859 ruru posted something interesting, here there was nothing really interesting so I have added onto.

I mean, I thought the wagon on TW was interesting, but eh.

I hope this isn't only reason for your current townlean on me

That's just about the only thing I saw to townread you for tbh. I dislike your entrance. I liked that post. I don't think you've posted much else AI at this point.

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but part of me tin foil hats, looks at ofrhz scum reading mohab, and sees pissed off scum partner

I don't really see this dynamic like at all tbh.

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Yeah tbh oxy didn't really seem to be playing up the LAMIST-y thing on purpose to be seen as scummy, especially since he stopped ~day2 after math pointed it out and after I kept on harping on it.
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Like I get what you're going for, but idk if we need to make it nearly as formal as this. There's a fairly decent vigpool, and most people seem to be paying enough attention to be aware that it exists.

(Ftr I'd take mohab out if NSG reps in)

Like so long as no one lolshoots and stays within the general pool, I think we're fine.

(And good luck with your exams, Mohab!)

[skitter30]

VOTE: oxy

[Oxy]

Yeah tbh oxy didn't really seem to be playing up the LAMIST-y thing on purpose to be seen as scummy, especially since he stopped ~day2 after math pointed it out and after I kept on harping on it.

what was the point after having been role blocked and cleared by math
ruru, you didn't see a change because it was a strategy(lol) i took going into the game, as i said before.

[Oxy]

pretty sure this is town skitter. I've been here before. Feels right.

[ruru]

Like so long as no one lolshoots and stays within the general pool, I think we're fine.

The issues I see with this is are:
1. PRs can get shot if there's no ability for them to claim at V-1 (which is like, really bad, almost defeats the point of having a system)
2. Potentially leaks information about vig's identity; no human vig is going to be perfectly balanced
3. We lose the ability to VCA as effectively. We also lose the ability to know for ~sure which NK was scum and which NK was the vig, which makes NKA less useful

[the worst]

VOTE: Oxy

L-2 or 3?

[ruru]

ruru, you didn't see a change because it was a strategy(lol) i took going into the game, as i said before.

Hmm, but

The more general strategy being "I want to look a bit scummy so I don't get NKed"

I'm trying to figure out how your (D1) play in 1859 aligns with that goal

Like if you're not even in the lynchpool, why didn't you adjust in some other way to look scummier?

[ruru]

Like so long as no one lolshoots and stays within the general pool, I think we're fine.

The issues I see with this is are:
1. PRs can get shot if there's no ability for them to claim at V-1 (which is like, really bad, almost defeats the point of having a system)
2. Potentially leaks information about vig's identity; no human vig is going to be perfectly balanced
3. We lose the ability to VCA as effectively. We also lose the ability to know for ~sure which NK was scum and which NK was the vig, which makes NKA less useful

Also

4. The other PRs will know exactly who not to target

[Draynth]

HURT: draynth

Who are your scumreads?

I fixed your tags

Throwing away all of my townreads but 4.

What if Math, Oxy, skitter, and ruru are all town? Given this, who should we lynch today? Please discuss (seriously, I’m stuck).

@ruru/skitter- I kinda feel like Math is town? Like he has a tendency to sheep other people’s reads, which he did last time with ruru and was wrong about (cough cough Math why you do this again), and he was doing that with me. He admitted several times that he didn’t read my posts from last game and didn’t read my posts this game. I don’t think this is out of character for him.

I get that you have other arguments for scumreading Math, but I can’t really comment on those meta arguments.

VOTE: Draynth
I wonder if he has gone back and read through all those games he said he would read.
- insert big thinking emoji here -

HE IS LITERALLY DOING THE EXACT OPPOSITE

You misread the reasoning for my scum reads and now this. Skitter, PLZ READ

That's not really how I read it, but yeah I guess I can see the other way too.

Catching up now, Timezones are annoying this game

[Draynth]

I meant to quote those for this post

HURT: draynth

Who are your scumreads?

You, UD, Mohab (Although this is more due to a lack of content, given the slot is being replaced I'm not sure),

I wonder if he has gone back and read through all those games he said he would read.
- insert big thinking emoji here -

You mean the one game that was linked to me yesterday? I'm reading it now, would you like to read it together?

HE IS LITERALLY DOING THE EXACT OPPOSITE

You misread the reasoning for my scum reads and now this. Skitter, PLZ READ

That's not really how I read it, but yeah I guess I can see the other way too.

I was just saying I didn't want to be lynched, sorry Skitter

[the worst]

How do you feel about Oxy rn?

[Draynth]

Ya but I am lazy

I'll get to it, who's better to vote?

Considering Math is your top scumread why did you ask this?

PEDIT:
I was just about to ask why exactly people are scumreading Oxy so hard because I don't fully get it

[Draynth]

PEDIT:
I was just about to ask why exactly people are scumreading Oxy so hard because I don't fully get it

Could be town to the fact that I've had to pretty much just skim the thread the past few days, feel free to point out posts rather than retyping stuff

[Draynth]

PEDIT:
I was just about to ask why exactly people are scumreading Oxy so hard because I don't fully get it

Could be

town

down

to the fact that I've had to pretty much just skim the thread the past few days, feel free to point out posts rather than retyping stuff

EBWOP

[Mathdino]

idk i'm townreading oxy but not like righteously so
i'd be raising hell if y'all were going after pintu/ruru etc but in this situation i just feel sickeningly ambivalent
i haven't done my ISOs of people yet, will get to that probably next couple IRL days

it is a bit weird that people get more and more comfortable with voting oxy the further he drops down my town list/the longer he spends not in my townbloc

[the worst]

Ya but I am lazy

I'll get to it, who's better to vote?

Considering Math is your top scumread why did you ask this?

PEDIT:
I was just about to ask why exactly people are scumreading Oxy so hard because I don't fully get it

This makes more sense in the context of my last 5-10 posts.
If you don't see my angle hmu

[the worst]

it is a bit weird that people get more and more comfortable with voting oxy the further he drops down my town list/the longer he spends not in my townbloc

What part of this is weird to you?

[Draynth]

Ya but I am lazy

I'll get to it, who's better to vote?

Considering Math is your top scumread why did you ask this?

PEDIT:
I was just about to ask why exactly people are scumreading Oxy so hard because I don't fully get it

This makes more sense in the context of my last 5-10 posts.
If you don't see my angle hmu

Nvm I see it now, tyty

[Mathdino]

it is a bit weird that people get more and more comfortable with voting oxy the further he drops down my town list/the longer he spends not in my townbloc

What part of this is weird to you?

imagine for a second that you're mathdino and you're paranoid of how much everyone listens to my reads and how multiple scumteams have explicitly stated their scum strategy in PTs as "sheep mathdino when he's wrong, let him lead town off a cliff"

[Draynth]

it is a bit weird that people get more and more comfortable with voting oxy the further he drops down my town list/the longer he spends not in my townbloc

What part of this is weird to you?

imagine for a second that you're mathdino

I did this and now I can't type without having my head about 2 inches from my screen because my arms are too short
Thanks

[the worst]

it is a bit weird that people get more and more comfortable with voting oxy the further he drops down my town list/the longer he spends not in my townbloc

What part of this is weird to you?

imagine for a second that you're mathdino and you're paranoid of how much everyone listens to my reads and how multiple scumteams have explicitly stated their scum strategy in PTs as "sheep mathdino when he's wrong, let him lead town off a cliff"

Honestly Oxy has just been a scumbutt the last few pages tbh

I am maybe coming around to reconsidering my reasons to scumread you a little, you brilliant prehistoric bastard

[the worst]

Ya but I am lazy

I'll get to it, who's better to vote?

Considering Math is your top scumread why did you ask this?

PEDIT:
I was just about to ask why exactly people are scumreading Oxy so hard because I don't fully get it

This makes more sense in the context of my last 5-10 posts.
If you don't see my angle hmu

Nvm I see it now, tyty

NOW I'M INTRIGUED
Explain my reasoning to me?

[Draynth]

Ya but I am lazy

I'll get to it, who's better to vote?

Considering Math is your top scumread why did you ask this?

PEDIT:
I was just about to ask why exactly people are scumreading Oxy so hard because I don't fully get it

This makes more sense in the context of my last 5-10 posts.
If you don't see my angle hmu

Nvm I see it now, tyty

NOW I'M INTRIGUED
Explain my reasoning to me?

I meant your posts that explain why you'd ask your top scumread who you should be voting

Spoiler: posts

I have to answer your questions from a biased POV.

Because I changed my mind when I realised how much sense it makes for scum!Math to tunnel me as a lategame lynch.

Oxy is a scumfuck. Draynth is shady (which is a shame because he's awesome). Otherwise LOTS of townreads.

But I am concerned I'm tunnelling Math too hard, and if I can townread him (or give benefit of the doubt here) I should. Having him in the game is inherently pro town, and if he's town he probably wins this tor us. I just don't like some of his stances today in a big way.

Other reason I am concerned about confbias--I will give townreads too easily for people based on their stances. If I'm wrong this means I run the risk of townblocking scum.

For example atm I am townreading the fuck out of skitter but I am passively aware of the fact scum!skitter pockets me here every time.

Can you hmu with some references (posts are awesome if you have the time) & names of players?

This is part of what I intend to do while deep breathing

[brassherald]

Searching for a replacement for Mohab. It's likely going to be Northsidegal who asked to be in the replacement queue.

Also, I've got an appointment tonight that it's going to stand in the way of my normally scheduled evening vote count. I'll probably do it like 10 pm.