Open 721: Pick Your Poison (Game Over)

[Scioness Sajj]

I feel like you have explained my point for yourself here. in 1859 ruru posted something interesting, here there was nothing really interesting so I have added onto.

I mean, I thought the wagon on TW was interesting, but eh.

I hope this isn't only reason for your current townlean on me

That's just about the only thing I saw to townread you for tbh. I dislike your entrance. I liked that post. I don't think you've posted much else AI at this point.

i don't think town!skitter would grant me a townlean for being silly and only that.

[Draynth]

I feel like you have explained my point for yourself here. in 1859 ruru posted something interesting, here there was nothing really interesting so I have added onto.

I mean, I thought the wagon on TW was interesting, but eh.

I hope this isn't only reason for your current townlean on me

That's just about the only thing I saw to townread you for tbh. I dislike your entrance. I liked that post. I don't think you've posted much else AI at this point.

i don't think town!skitter would grant me a townlean for being silly and only that.

Why not?

[Oxy]

Whether or not it was AI for you to consciously/sub-consciously avoid talking to your scum partner directly will come out in post game.

Explain what you're talking about here AND why you think it's appropriate to make bad pre flip associations with no knowledge of how my meta works.

explained numerous times

I don't think you can help talking to people as town, so yeah, I think it was AI.

I also think you're playing scummy af. You've been trying to derail a perfectly pro-town plan for the vig shot

Why does scum!me go against the flow so aggressively? and I compulsively talk to people as either alignment. This fits two categories

1) people I townread hard.
2) people I think I can sort via forcing them to generate content.

Why did you feel you couldn't sort ofrhz in this way?

You've been throwing shade at people like dino without reasoning

You reacted to my case on you by saying "I'm going to have to process this"

If you think I have no reasoning for my dinocase you need to reread my ISO dude, and yes duh--he finally explained where he's coming from and I can actually see how town!dino is wrong here. Of course I'm going to reconsider my read??

You responded to my case on you in that manner, not to something dino said.

but I think town you gets a little bit angrier when someone makes a case against you that you consider bad. Don't you think, Dino? Don't answer that.

Whats this in reference to?

The part immediately above it

[Scioness Sajj]

(I didn't want to quote the 1st quote btw)

Have you read 1859?

If you did:
I don't think there is a universe where my scummy entrance gets outweighed by me having a braindead moment. I really don't.
She still believes that my entrance was scummy, she got some arguments for that which is a fair and results in a scumlean. Then I have posted some more stuff that's nai for her and she get's a townlean on my AP reading question. I could understand a null but a townlean, when she didn't really engage me at all and I haven't been posting much on my own, is lazy.

If you did not:
In 1859 it took skitter some time to get a townread on me. There was a big 1v1 between me and Oxy early in D1, at that time skitter was asking both sides questions, she even defended me by explaining why Oxy's reasons to scumread me were weak. But she didn't really have a strong townread at that time. I have got a townread from skitter later after I have engaged Oxy again and made a case that resonated with her. We have also mindmelded somewhere around that time to the point that I really didn't have to ask her questions because she was saying and thinking the same things I did. I think she felt the same. 721 skitter is not alike 1859 skitter.

[Scioness Sajj]

above to draynth btw

[Mathdino]

Well these last few pages were uh
Awful
Lol
I'll iso oxy later and see what I can bring

[ruru]

1&2 - changing the playstyle after being called out would more likely get him killed, though.

Do you mean scum would pick up on the intentional scumminess and NK him? I feel like that's kind of a stretch

Like from our perspective we were also thinking a lot about how to keep a pool of mislynchable players in that game and it wasn't super easy

I think scum are always going to prioritize our PR reads who are also getting townread (which is what we did in that game with Md+Oxy)

Dino also granted Oxy a wifom protection coat, which I hated at that time but yeah it was a good play and actually made Oxy less likely to be nk'd.

Md didn't know his role but

Oxy knows it's A1 or B3

If scum know it's A, he's just getting RBed like happened in the game

If scum know it's B, from scum's perspective (not knowing his exact role) the chances of him being doc saved are very small as only 1/3 of setups have doc and the doc could be him

I don't feel like Oxy should feel safe in that position

3 - tbf you need to take into account when it happened. He was being wagoned and scumread at the time of the claim and I believe he was quite upset.

You had just unvoted him and he had 0 votes on him

skitter was sussing him and eth0s called him top lynch priority, I think that's about it

[ruru]

which posts are you referring to?

You can read his iso if you want but basically AP never actually explained why he originally thought UD could be scum according to his TW+UD+ruru theory

Because according to his explanation of the TW+ruru part I would think UD would be very likely town, which makes me think the reads were fabricated

All his explanations involving UD involved present-tense "oh I did some thinking and here is a way that UD could actually be scum" but that's not what I asked for

[ruru]

Also hi NSG!

[ruru]

Actually I have a question for the more experienced players here

I feel like TW and skitter both tried to derail the vig thing a bit

Is this scum-indicative or do town players just often disagree with it?

[Mathdino]

Actually I have a question for the more experienced players here

I feel like TW and skitter both tried to derail the vig thing a bit

Is this scum-indicative or do town players just often disagree with it?

towns are bad and when they hear optimising strategies they think "i'm being manipulated into doing something i've never done before" and reject it offhand

THAT SAID it's something i see more often than random from scum

so i would call it slightly scum-indicative, which is consistent with neither of them being a townread for me haha

[northsidegal]

HI, YOU ALL GOT APATHETIC NSG IN 1859

THIS GAME YOU GET LEFT SHIFT NSG

[northsidegal]

VOTE: DRAYNTH

[Mathdino]

guys i'm 100% on NSG across over a dozen games and my word says she's a serial killer right now

[ruru]

Actually I have a question for the more experienced players here

I feel like TW and skitter both tried to derail the vig thing a bit

Is this scum-indicative or do town players just often disagree with it?

towns are bad and when they hear optimising strategies they think "i'm being manipulated into doing something i've never done before" and reject it offhand

THAT SAID it's something i see more often than random from scum

so i would call it slightly scum-indicative, which is consistent with neither of them being a townread for me haha

Do you also think it is scum-indicative for those two players in particular?

[northsidegal]

btw i instantly asked to be on the replacement queue when i saw people voting mohab earlier in the game

go read newbie 1850 (linked on my wiki), come back and then read this game

i'm locktown

[northsidegal]

sorry, what i meant to say was

I'M LOCKTOWN

[Mathdino]

Do you also think it is scum-indicative for those two players in particular?

TW's job as scum is to push back against my control when i'm right and to defer to me when i'm wrong

skitter, idk

and i'm loling at all of NSG's posts this is good shit

[northsidegal]

it's actually really annoying replacing mohab because he was one of my two locktowns just from what i skimmed, the other being ruru

[northsidegal]

i think scioness might be scum, by the way

and this time the scumread is coming from an actual read and not oxy softing an innocent on scum throwing me off ( )

[Mohab500]

By the qay, I am still able to post here.

[Mathdino]

this sounds strangely familiar.

NSG i command thee to deliver me scum

try not to tunnel town and you should be good

i'm townreading scum right now and it's really annoying

Edit: i'm gonna go through scioness's ISO and find the quotes that i think are town
can you tell me why i'm fucking wrong

Edit2: dude you're not banned from games after replacing out lol
just don't post

[Mohab500]

mod pls fix this?

Anyone is technically able to post in any game that is not locked, just don't do so. I cannot change posting privileges outside of the Private threads.

[northsidegal]

it's not necessarily a scumread, just a "hmm, scioness doesn't look like her usual towny self here". looking back i've often found that those reads tend to be scum more than my actual scumreads, but they're the ones that i ignore the most often. (mutantdevle in tit for tat comes to mind). i don't want to make that same mistake this game.

[Mohab500]

Yeah I am retarded sorry, never posting again