The Resistance #1: 7p (GAME OVER)

[nancy]

We've only played like once before this, haven't we? I definitely don't think I've been scum in a game with you yet.

I'm grumpy because another sabotage lol. tw is a cheeky bugger. I am scumreading ENAC to some extent yes, though assuming scum only want one on the mission that suggests they're town. Possibly not a good assumption, it would depend on the specific scumteam and how well they can coordinate.

Pine / ENAC / Ausuka
ENAC / camn / nancy

But using that assumption, these are the possibilities:
>ENAC is scum, the other four are town, that makes me scum too along with tw so... unlikely
>camn and Pine are scum with tw. ENAC, nancy, Ausuka are town.
>camn and Ausuka are scum with tw. ENAC, nancy, Pine are town.
>Pine and nancy are scum with tw. ENAC, camn, Ausuka are town.
>nancy and Ausuka are scum with tw. ENAC, camn, Pine are town.

However I think scum combinations of Pine/ENAC and nancy/ENAC are less likely to stick to that assumption and would risk going on missions together because of familiarity with each other. Which suggests several more possibilities:
>ENAC and nancy are scum with tw. Pine, Ausuka and camn are town.
>ENAC and Pine are scum with tw. Ausuka, camn and nancy are town.
>ENAC, nancy and Pine are scum. tw (and everyone else, but mostly tw) is town.

If any of those are the case, I would expect to see evidence inthread.


Possible pairs with tw:
camn, Pine
camn, Ausuka
Pine, nancy
nancy, Ausuka
Pine, ENAC
ENAC, nancy


I don't really have any strong reads anymore unfortunately, so when I'm able I'm probably just going to see if I can determine which of these seems most likely based on interactions through the game.


If tw is scum, since the game has no lynching, I would assume his buddies aren't defending him except inasmuch as it makes them look good, since they don't need him on the mission. I haven't done anything with this info yet, just thinking aloud.


Anyway on another note: Pine, can you explain why your 257 conclusion 4 (exactly one of nancy/camn/tw is scum) is now exactly one of nancy/camn is scum? Even just quote me the post where you explain these magical interactions, because I can't blimming find it. I'm also still hoping and praying for an answer to 361, because 316 was terrible

@Mod: V/LA two days.

it usually only takes me one game to get a sense of what level someone plays on, we also had conversations about your scumgame, i am sad that you don't remember

why are you not considering pine/camn/ausuka? the way i think you should be poeing teams for the most part is just by confirming x scum in y grouping based on the number of sabotages, not the other way around

and yes, please do the thing

this is probably already out of your scumrange but actual stances would be good too

[nancy]

>ENAC, nancy and Pine are scum. tw (and everyone else, but mostly tw) is town.

Current feel tbh

um

what

are you real

[nancy]

Yeah no worries and its treating me just fine it’s literally paradise <3

yay <3

gl

[ENAC EIDDE]

same as last game

town:
ENAC
Nancy

Scum:
Camn
Ausuka

Leftover:
Pine
Key
TW

[ENAC EIDDE]

can you agree with that nancy?

i believe Pine is prooooobably town but his play is so bad here so either he's having an off game or he's scum :/ like he's not a new player i can write off as being shit and ali and i both agree he's despairingly bad this day phase. to paraphrase discord, we both want to scumread pine because of how bad he's playing rn. iunno. i think MY big reason for townreading pine is that if he was scum he just had to agree with my solve of Nancy Pine Eddie Key and locked the game up with a free win tomorrow, so his bad play isn't really beneficial to scum him.

Key seems slightly townier than TW, though I'm not confident there yet. Nancy, be careful of saying its out of Key's scum range, Key is not bad at scum self stated (I haven't actually seen scum Key).

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... #p10070953

The thing is, as linked above, last resistance I had the same thing. A lock town read, 2 lock scum reads, and a TBA pile. Like here, I/we are right about my/our reads, but the narrowing down part cost me the game last time. I need Nancy and the leftover to get on board, and we need to shove this through. Don't forget we need EVERY townie to win this, scum won't help us hammer the thing that loses them the game.

[the worst]

xyzzy, mith, Alisae, drmyshottyizsik, ReaperCharlie, Mathdino (1): xyzzy

Maaaan xyzzy was great that game

the main difference is everyone here is playing......N was like obvtown via not paying any attention last time. {Ausuka, Katy} was nightmare PoE and Katy is too good.

I am officially prepared to say I cannot read my distant-ms-cousin ausuka for shit.

[the worst]

Also Maria and xyzzy were lolscum

....I am so sad we lost that.....

[ENAC EIDDE]

Katy's good, one of my best friends on ms too. she was just townier than ausuka (and N).

but what you're not remembering is they weren't lolscum before me. I pointed out and spammed they were obv scum, and you yourself kept scumreading me until eventually I posted it enough (granted even earlier I fosd you). that was a really fun game overall for sure,

but to stay on topic it's the same here. what do u think of my poe worst?

[ENAC EIDDE]

the worst part for ME is Nancy and pine are insistent the opposite is scum and that makes me wanting them both to be my obvtown hard

[the worst]

It was pretty much when you said something like "tw you need to proceed as though I am town" and I rsalised I was confbiased for no reason

Do you think there were 1 or 2 scum on mission #3?

[ENAC EIDDE]

well I clearly think Nancy's town, so 1. I actually have some stuff I think makes pine yown I'll post when I'm on a computer. but, mission 2 is more interesting. I dont remember ausuka or pine having anything that would signal a no sab and they dont have any experience afaik (ausuka is new and pine was gone for a while) so if I dont see anything on a deep read that also spews pine town

[the worst]

I kinda think the only viable 2 ppl thing for #3 is Pine+{you,camn}+nancy as I mentioned which is.....bleak but not impossible.

Are you hardtownreading nancy based on scumreading camn and the no bus thing?

[ENAC EIDDE]

no, pine doesn't really bus either but this isnt mafia. ali hard trs Nancy and it fits with the solve in my head, and I have no reason to disagree based on content. plus, camn is just obv scum lmao

[ENAC EIDDE]

nvm with my computer thing

ijust

think pine's town

[Pine]

Enac, I haven't agreed to your Enac/Pine/key/nancy 'solve' because I have doubts about all of them except myself.

My doubts about you are feeling more like twitchy paranoia though.

Long, weird day. This game requires hardcore, dedicated logic that I just don't have today.

[Pine]

I mean, even leaving aside my nagging doubts about you and the unsolved camn/nancy issue, I'm like 75-80% sure keychain is scum. She's mostly coasted and semi-lurked the whole game, and my PoE logic from before still insists she's probably scum.

Convince me otherwise and maybe we can talk about nancy/camn. Otherwise we are at a hard impasse.

[the worst]

Eddisae I am pretty much at the point where I'm comfortable locking you as town, I'll reconsider the solve on that basis in a bit.

1 scum in n3 is reasonable. My 2 scum theory is paranoia.

[ENAC EIDDE]

I mean, even leaving aside my nagging doubts about you and the unsolved camn/nancy issue, I'm like 75-80% sure keychain is scum. She's mostly coasted and semi-lurked the whole game, and my PoE logic from before still insists she's probably scum.

Convince me otherwise and maybe we can talk about nancy/camn. Otherwise we are at a hard impasse.

i don't really care about key, we can talk about that after if me/you/nancy end up on the same page that me/you/nancy is town. its the throwaway read that ali is a bit more confident than me in but neither of us are overly. for me to respond, you need to vocalize why you think nancy's scum and camn's town, because camn is extremely scummy fmpov and fypov that makes nancy town since you think its tvs, and nancy is kinda townie on content as well.

[Pine]

Fine.

If you want to start there, convince me of nancy. This looks like her scumgame to me.

[Pine]

Also leaving this right here.

[Pine]

Boooo link fuckup. The one time I don't preview.

Also leaving this right here.

[ENAC EIDDE]

i'll let ali answer that;

whats your read on camn in isolation?

[Pine]

camn looks Townish in ISO. nancy looks scummy in ISO. However, I'm not amazing at reading either, but I am feeling 1 scum between them.

[camn]

Woah so much scum theatre on this page

[Mathdino]

@Mod: V/LA two days.

Noted, thanks.