Open 721: Pick Your Poison (Game Over)

[the worst]

PAGETOP IS MINE THIS TIME BITCHES

But yes. Yes it is. Phew.

[Mathdino]

i mean i'm not gonna be able to read NSG if she does the LEFT SHIFT GIMMICK all game

i get it though

she tends to get annoyed at the fact that she's literally the only player that i continually claim this reading ability for, as a go-to example of a player i'm 100% on

preliminarily i'd say that NSG was probably not wrong on locktowning mohab out of game, and she's probably not lying about that unless she specifically made that entrance to fuck with me (i.e. she lowkey copied my replace-in entrances and might be fishing for a townread from me in particular)

sunshine lacking a meta is a good point
could just be hilariously good scum
unlikely but possible?

[Oxy]

I'll take questions.. I've got an early day today, so I don't think I'm sleeping. Post took longer than I realized.

[Oxy]

And take your time, but I'm hopeful that you will find a read on nsg. don't force it tho

[Oxy]

I don't really think sunshine is scum. If he is, we're getting styled on. That in itself would be some next level cocky shit considering this is a new platform for him.

[Mathdino]

okay you know what there are certain people that are obviously not getting lynched today due to being universally townread

but there are some slots that need sorting to even allow this game to function

i need to re-acclimate myself to skitter's meta. i was searching for specific towntells last game to see if scum-her could fake it. i never ended up getting a sense of her general playstyle differences.

there are certain arguments i see her making here that in general i don't think scum-her tries. arguing i'm scum by meta over and over and over doesn't seem like a scum-skitter thing to do (it is however a scum-TW thing to do, this isn't a universal thing).

so will calibrate for that behaviour

i agree with a lot of your reads list but fuck me up because TW and skitter might both be town and then we're back at square 1

[Oxy]

On skitter: One thing I kept coming back to in that dialogue you had with skitter earlier was the discussion of MKUltra. You guys brought it up simultaneously, and that was kind of cute. It flowed from the conversation, but then it went on forever. And neither of you were really trying to prove a hard meta argument based on the game. So what was the point? - Actually, my real question is, have you and skitter debriefed mkultra before? Or was this the first time?

[Oxy]

If skitter and the worst are both town, my lynch pool looks like this:

{Ofrhz, scioness sajj, nsg, draynth, ap}
not necessarily in that order

[Oxy]

ehh, I'd probably lynch in Ofrhz, draynth, nsg, but ap and scioness would become good candidates for mechanical sorting/poe later

[Mathdino]

MKUltra is a game that i keep forgetting i played in at all
but it was the first time i actually played with skitter. it occurred while i was modding skitter in Open 711: Stack The Deck

here is the debrief from my POV
- my good dude Impede asks me to hydra (2 players share an account)
- i, having a lapse in judgment, say yes
- we sign up for a multiball (2 scumteams) game (because i wouldn't play multiball under Mathdino lol)
- we roll scum with a guy who we know is much better at town, i feel like dying, multiball is horrible. i did some writeups in the scum PT.
- we both enter super awkwardly. he's awkward in general. my scumgame was super out of practice so i went way LAMIST.
- i lurk it out because i assume he's got it covered (i would've done this as town too probably). he does not have it covered. he replaces out a few days later. i in turn replace out because i wouldn't have signed up alone.
- i do a whole "i want my successor to have good reads" thing so i post a full on reads list. i figure out skitter is town partially by modding her. i proceed to phrase this read horribly.
- i get replaced by a troll and skitter lynches the slot down the line.

tl;dr i scummed up a game i didn't really want to play in the first place
skitter thus thinks she knows and can recognise my scumgame
i will admit this happens a lot to people who first experience scum-me and are like the only ones who catch it -- they start scumreading me in all future games because they notice playstyle tells rather than alignment tells

anyway no, we've never talked about that game outside of this game and maybe 1859 if it was ever brought up

[Mathdino]

man oxy why are your reads identical to mine

i don't want to lynch you for being hypothetically good lol

but this is somewhat uncomfortable

[the worst]

skit's mkultra iso may be worth a reskim tbh
lylo scum narrative was fucking fire but skitter's townplay was very good

[Oxy]

@mathdino maybe you are getting worse? ;P

uglyduck is not scum. I'm pretty confident on that one. I really don't see where the scum reads were coming from. at all.

[Oxy]

ruru i'm confident on. unless you or another experienced player is scum with her, and probably specifically you. Then maybe I could see her being coached to stay away from 1859 meta.

I got a little paranoid about ruru for a second because she's taking this universal town read sitting down, and I kind of would have expected her to push back on it a little. Similar to how nsg pushes back against your read on her.

but it's probably just due to her being relieved she isn't scum this game.

[Mathdino]

tfw you don't like it when people townread you because it means you're easy to read

i've come to realise there's a very specific way that people make bad townreads on me as scum

MathDino - I like his reasoning for scumreading TW, seems to be thinking about the game in a logical fashion.

and this guy right here basically did it

scum doesn't like to get on my radar but they also don't like to put some goddamn effort into their townreads on me
so they throw away a line about my effort being alignment indicative

the entirety of 401 is pretty bad tbh

the question is of course whether it's within his townrange to make shit surface level reads lists

...and the answer will come when i stop being lazy and actually do all the metadives i promised

[Oxy]

sunshine we talked about.

I like AP's reads and his style. I think he's usually town. His equity goes way up when 2+ scum reads or null reads flip green.

In retrospect, pintu reaching out to work with me was really townie. I don't see why that comes from scum!pintu but there is a thing I can't talk about holding me back ever so slightly.

and ofrhz is just way too all over the place this game. There were times in D1 1859 where I was doing double takes because he would be asking questions with real bite of his town reads. This game he has been really friendly.

When AP was casing him, he did that little passive aggressive wall response (which he later said wasn't passive aggressive). That was the most confrontational he has been this game. I was considering that it might be added confidence and comfort - ofrhz letting his hair down and relaxing - but last game he had that whole, "excuse me for being blunt, but that was a stupid question" post. And here, there is none of that.

[Oxy]

oops, i meant sunshine, not AP in the last paragraph.

[Oxy]

...and the answer will come when i stop being lazy and actually do all the metadives i promised

is this all a satire on my draynth read? where i talk about it being silly for scum to commit to doing extra reading that they aren't actually going to do?

[the worst]

Draynth has said nothing that can't come from scum easily and I don't know his meta. And it's oldish and I'm lazy.

My read on him is a bit too profound atm.

[Mathdino]

okay so we vig ofrhz for saying he'd self-vote at L-1
this effectively claims VT and fucks up potential VCA
remember that he witnessed the falls of drixx and skitter, and me telling skitter she spewed too much
i think town-him... idk learns the lesson second-hand?

while scum-him isn't careful about spewing/not spewing his role

so ofrhz is a high equity vigshot

the only people i can then actually see getting lynched today are:
{Draynth, UglyDuck, Oxy, Scioness}
i'm gonna sheep NSG's read on scioness unless NSG is scum
outside of that i'm still super down with lynching draynth

[the worst]

...and the answer will come when i stop being lazy and actually do all the metadives i promised

is this all a satire on my draynth read? where i talk about it being silly for scum to commit to doing extra reading that they aren't actually going to do?

What is the intention of this question

[Mathdino]

...and the answer will come when i stop being lazy and actually do all the metadives i promised

is this all a satire on my draynth read? where i talk about it being silly for scum to commit to doing extra reading that they aren't actually going to do?

no this is a satire on myself

that's an interesting general tell though (committing to doing something and then failing to follow through)

i do not know how indicative it is in practice of either alignment

but that is definitely something i see often in games and i should get a handle on that

[Mathdino]

...and the answer will come when i stop being lazy and actually do all the metadives i promised

is this all a satire on my draynth read? where i talk about it being silly for scum to commit to doing extra reading that they aren't actually going to do?

What is the intention of this question

What is the intention of this question

[the worst]

I don't wanna lynch Scioness much honestly

We got some deep scum tho ngl




pedit

...and the answer will come when i stop being lazy and actually do all the metadives i promised

is this all a satire on my draynth read? where i talk about it being silly for scum to commit to doing extra reading that they aren't actually going to do?

What is the intention of this question

What is the intention of this question

Gauging the intention of his question--what is the intention of this question?

(I'll revisit when the man himself responds)

[Oxy]

...and the answer will come when i stop being lazy and actually do all the metadives i promised

is this all a satire on my draynth read? where i talk about it being silly for scum to commit to doing extra reading that they aren't actually going to do?

What is the intention of this question

to make a joke and to bring up this behavior for discussion.

It worked on one level. =/