Sid Meier's Civilization 5 UPick Mafia (GAME OVER)

[Gamma Emerald]

That should be enough votes for taoism. I want to use mine to vote against the international games. Anybody got any reason why I shouldn't?

Are you against giving Joey's replacement more congress votes?

Replacement is key word here. I highly doubt thor has read all 200 pages. His contextual knowledge of the game is limited. I'm quite confideng that he is town. I am just not confident in his judgment.

Then there's the games themselves. We don't know if it will be the same as the one pidgey got.
We also don't know if this time the hosting of the events will benefit the people he chooses.

Why risk it? Are the extra delegates worth it in your eyes?

Actually I'd like to see if the games have any thing more to them. So I feel like your argument actually makes it more enticing to vote yea on the games. Unfortunately I've already cast my votes.

[Ranmaru]

Alright Gamma. Tell me why you think what I say is good.

[Gamma Emerald]

Because it feels like I was on that before and let it go for some reason, and not just when I'd initially pointed the thing out.

[Ranmaru]

Alright. I want you to tell me what direction you feel is better then Pidgey and why. If you can't, join me on Pidgey.

[Gamma Emerald]

I'm not sure of a specific better direction but I kinda want to try the games thing to see if we can't 100% corner pidgey. I'd suggest Klazam as the alternative in that case. Is there a specific reason Klazam does not appeal to you?

[Ranmaru]

At the top of my head, Klazam seemed to have some good content. I don't really see a case on him so I don't

see

why he's the best lynch for today, which is why I asked if you could state a better one. If I had nothing else, I would be fine with Klazam as today's lynch. Yet, as I said, I'm more confident in Pidgey flipping scum. The only thing that worries me about Klazam is he isn't really giving anything else as he has promised.

[Gamma Emerald]

hm. can't really think of anything I really want outside of those. Thoughts on my plan with the games?

[Ranmaru]

I never thought about the games nor have I read any posts in depth about it. Quote it, and I'll try to give you my thoughts, and soon I'll go to bed.

[BuJaber]

@gamma - thanks.. can't say I agree; will wait for others' opinion.


@Ran I can't share my trade secrets lol.
From my own observations my scumgames:
- have significantly less posts (this would inevitably become less of an issue with experience; I just find myself stuck with nothing to say a lot)
-focus heavily on not exposing my partners if I flip. I usualy go in with the expectation I will be lynched day 1/day 2.
-attempts to imitate my town-motivated analysis.

I think the most noticeable thing is I am more reserved with my crazy ideas. I really say whatever comes to my mind if I think it helps the game when I'm town. That is much more difficult to do as scum because my brain isn't actively analyzing so the crazy ideas aren't coming to me as frequently.

I'll link games in a sec

[BuJaber]

You two don't have any issue with mark pushing for an SK lynch (who is likely town) instead of scum lynch?

[Gamma Emerald]

Would rather restate: since pidgey did the games last time we can possibly have Thor be selected for them and inform us if pidgey neglected to mention or do or whatever something with the games. I guess this actually works as soon as resolutions are set as pidgey got the games effects flavorwise as soon as that happened last time

[Gamma Emerald]

You two don't have any issue with mark pushing for an SK lynch (who is likely town) instead of scum lynch?

I kinda let that slip from my mind, that is pretty ech but I don't really know if math is so blind to his play that he'd make that sort of blunder

[Ranmaru]

At a glance, I don't mind Thor having the games. I think Mark pushing SK is a bit too bold, but I'd like more to try to get a better understanding of his slot. Alright, I really need to sleep now. Buja, I'd like you to talk about Pidgey. Good night.

[Gamma Emerald]

ok, good night

[BuJaber]

Scumgames:
https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=53&t=74864

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=51&t=75137
(Early replace out but multiball)

Recent but non-typical mechanics:
https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=83&t=75509

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=83&t=75513






As for pidgey my ego would enjoy her flipping scum so much for calling her out early when most townread or ignored her. So I am biased and don't want to make that decision on her now.
Also considering she claimed religion spreader we can test her and marshy as soon as we have any orange flip because they can't spread and kill in the same night. So I don't think it's a good flip.
Also a50's death while not conclusive sort of clears her and marshy but that's only because of wifom reasoning.

So yeah in conclusion I'm not convinced she is town but she is a bad flip today. She is quite easily confirmable later.

[Thor665]

@Ranmaru - I feel like you're trying to present something interesting on Pidgey there. I have no grounding for what you're saying, can you walk me through it like I'm a dolt who doesn't understand what you're talking about? (it will be easy to pretend...)

@Ranmaru

[pidgey]

Yeah gamma was behaving very scummy, but I mostly let it go for the time being because most people were shouting at me that he was absolutely playing to his town meta. Yeah, town can change their reads. Thats what townie people do, unlike scum, which you are.

[pidgey]

That doesnt mean i still think gamma is town for sure btw, i still believe there's a scum in OTM/Gamma/Joda, and i believe joda is town almost surely

[OnTheMark]

Like I legit fail to understand why the hell I am being called scummy for pushing someone who is almost certainly an SK. I feel like it’s more I am telling people something that they don’t want to hear so they are calling it inherently scummy. Take BuJaber’s 5059 and Gamma’s 5061.

That and scum have to get rid of protective roles if they want to survive.

I wrote up three posts explaining BuJaber scum but I couldn’t actually submit it without feeling fake because right now I really wish I could just show you how scummy Shaziro is and you just see it similar to Maxous in Undertale.

But I just can’t as I lack the energy and time to do so. Getting everyone on that Maxous lynch was amazing. However I just don’t have the stamina to drag everyone kicking and screaming.

[Chara]

i don't think we're lynching Shaziro today, and i don't really want to.
the argument of removing an anti-town kill doesn't really work when one considers that SK Shaziro can't make any more kills, because he runs the risk of being outed.

Mark, this is the post i meant.

[OnTheMark]

i don't think we're lynching Shaziro today, and i don't really want to.
the argument of removing an anti-town kill doesn't really work when one considers that SK Shaziro can't make any more kills, because he runs the risk of being outed.

Mark, this is the post i meant.

No he really doesn’t. You guys already believed him when he claimed vig to out of shots. (Notice he said shots PLURAL but for some reason is now claiming one shot vig) Like to me he already is outed and people blantanty going “meh” he is town simply for claiming his kill boggles my mind. I spent literally hours on a case and people don’t interact with it and it becomes “meh I don’t believe you” , it sucks all desire I have for this away and it would just feel wrong to not push outed scum.

[OnTheMark]

Sorry I've been away, got very busy. Tomorrow is D&D Night and I'll be mostly away from computer then too, but before and after I'll be here some. I didn't shoot last night, I'm out of shots. Didn't claim that yesterday in the hopes of drawing a scum NK, but I figure the information is more valuable to town now.

[OnTheMark]

Like Shaziro is one of three things
One shot vig who lied about day two action
Two shot vig who admittedly lied in 4661
Or an unlimited shot vig/SK who once again lied about being out of shots

Just how much lying am I supposed to ignore? Tell me how that is protown because I can’t see it.

[Thor665]

I would consider it protown to lie about the number of shots you have as a Vig.

How is it pro scum to lie about number of shots?

[OnTheMark]

I would consider it protown to lie about the number of shots you have as a Vig.

How is it pro scum to lie about number of shots?

Because this setup imho can be broken if everyone tells the truth.

We are going to have a way to verify religion spreaders (once someone submits a plan that is understood), we are going to verify people traceable and then have so many confirmed people we lynch outside of those confirmed and then go from there.

In a mechanics heavy setup it is literally suicide to lie.