Sid Meier's Civilization 5 UPick Mafia (GAME OVER)

[Gamma Emerald]

That's not a crumb at all? It's just turn of phrase.

[brassherald]

Ok, I think I support a massclaim now tbh, but I'll go ahead and claim anyhow because NKA may just be useful here.

I'm Japan, hence my first post in this game starting with a haiku, and I have Bushido. I'm a vig. I shot Dunker, and I shot Kokichi.

Plus, this came BEFORE that post.

I'm the one that shot Dunker, but he already claimed two shots?

This is a bad argument.

[brassherald]

just for that I'm doing this UNVOTE:

VOTE: OnTheMark

I needed to vote him again for it.

[Gamma Emerald]

Is a bad argument necessarily scummy though?

[marshy]

ran is towny on p202. he usually doesnt get his hands so dirty as scum

pidgey why do you find ran scummy btw?

we should still lynch klazam. we have wanted this since d1 punch it through plz

[marshy]

If i ever saw a grasp at straws, thats it

LOL

[Chara]

Like Shaziro is one of three things
One shot vig who lied about day two action
Two shot vig who admittedly lied in 4661
Or an unlimited shot vig/SK who once again lied about being out of shots

Just how much lying am I supposed to ignore? Tell me how that is protown because I can’t see it.

4661 was day 3, Mark. where did Shaziro lie?

and "i am the one who killed dunker" is a phrase that answers "someone killed dunker, who was it?"

[Chara]

and by day 3 i meant day 4. :<

[marshy]

is mark this bullheaded as a towny? ive only played one game with him on mu but thats incomparable

[Chara]

yes. and they can fake their bullheadedness as scum. but there are differences. i have a lot of games with Mark.

[Chara]

and, frankly: if you want to mind meld, Mark, i need you to help me out here. i'm telling you that even if you're right, Shaziro isn't the lynch today.
lynching him wouldn't give us any less kills per night because SK Shaziro can no longer kill without outing himself. it also gives zero information about the mafia.
and finally i don't think you're really appreciating that i'm taking what you say into account because when i point out problems you bring up something new.

[marshy]

bu

even if mark is scum do you really think chara would be so obvious about it? theyve played with mark before and just saying "resisting the scum lynch = partners lol" is ???

townies defend/are wrong on scum all the time and i think such a case would likelier point to them being unaligned in all worlds. you really think char is soft defending here? shaz doing this too but hes the vig and shot a scum so hes off the table

[Shaziro]

I laughed harder than I have laughed in at least a month at that bullshit attempt at finding something, -anything- that counted as me claiming one shot vig. That is such a shitty strawgrab it had me rolling. Mark is 100% the lynch today. Say what you want about their Mafia game, they are -not- this bad at the game. They can be bullheaded, yes, like in Mao Mafia in which they wouldn't listen to basic math when trying to point out that the role distribution was one of the mod lies...but they're not that dumb. Mark is better than that bullshit. Calling that anything other than a blatant scum lie is an insult to them. That's our lynch, people, pack it up.

[Gamma Emerald]

It's this incessant desire you have to push Mark at every turn that makes you suspicious currently for me
Try to see things from other angles. It could just be that Mark is tinfoiling extremely hard.

[Ranmaru]

Thor, I didn't have time to finish the case today. I promise I'll get to it though. Mark, I want you to tell me why you haven't interacted with me lately. What is your read on me?

Chara, tell me how your read on Mark is developing. Since you town read him, why is this town over scum, based on your experience with him. Why do you think he hasn't updated his opinions on players recently and simply focused on SK hunting?

[BuJaber]

bu

even if mark is scum do you really think chara would be so obvious about it? theyve played with mark before and just saying "resisting the scum lynch = partners lol" is ???

townies defend/are wrong on scum all the time and i think such a case would likelier point to them being unaligned in all worlds. you really think char is soft defending here? shaz doing this too but hes the vig and shot a scum so hes off the table

I'm just not sure. I just find it suspicous that she isn't more aggressive. She clearly disagrees with his logic. He is clearly not addressing her points. She's too trusting of her meta read imo.

If mark flips scum though I wouldn't immediately jump to chara. I think we're probably still better of addressing klazam/ran who have been on sooo many people's radar and try to sort out the religion spreaders mechanically before it gets too close to lylo.

[Ranmaru]

I want people that still have a problem with my slot, to explain fully why they have a problem with me now. Here is my defense:

People have scumread me for relations to creature and me being stressed/demotivated. That's the gist. It doesn't make sense for me to be orange scum, I wouldn't be demotivated as orange scum since only one orange scum died and we are assuming 3/3 scum. It doesn't make sense for me to be red scum since I was stressed with other games, and now that I'm free from others, I have more time to focus on this one and have been active and will continue to be. It also doesn't make sense for me to be red scum and push Creature, and then post less, which would be against the whole reason I would make a 'bus'. I would be shooting bus cred in the foot. It's not often that I play this badly as town, but usually it happens when I am over-gamed and bite more than I can chew. I was lazy in this game because I was taking Team Mafia more seriously, but now I'll be taking this seriously.

[BuJaber]

Well I mean your replace back in does point to you not being red. I feel like red wouldn't have bothered to return.

[Ranmaru]

Gamma, talk to me about Mark. What do you think of Mark not updating his thoughts on other players besides Shaziro? What is your read on him, and his recent push?

[Thor665]

I thought you just wanted me to re-state my case on Pidgey. I'll

try

to break it down for you in a way that you described. Might help to know what exactly you don't understand, though.

I'm basically on full loss until I get to the weekend and have enough time to actually try to slog through enough of this game to understand the mechanics.
I'm having delegates, world congressess, dockets, religions, religious recruiters, and mounds of other stuff hurled at me. There are half a dozen claims on the table people are basing cases off of, and your Pidgey case that just read like Latin to me.

I'm straight up that lost.

[Chara]

have you fully read Joey's ISO? i'd start there.

[Thor665]

Nope.
Probably won't.

[Thor665]

I'd rather read other people than read my slot.

[BuJaber]

Skip his opinions. Read the facts about the game that joey has posted time and time again. Chara suggested it for a reason.

Normally I would be against it in case you scumslip by saying something that doesn't quite fit with your predecessor but it's good in this case because joey's ISO is probably the fastest way to catch up.

[Gamma Emerald]

Gamma, talk to me about Mark. What do you think of Mark not updating his thoughts on other players besides Shaziro? What is your read on him, and his recent push?

I think I've been pretty open about this. I've felt like his incessant pushing is pretty bad. Why do you feel like prodding me about it now and why don't you recall any of my previous statements about Mark?