Open 721: Pick Your Poison (Game Over)

[Scioness Sajj]

lol

[ofrhz]

Yeah interaction was not the right word. Connection is better
UD's scumlist was - Draynth, me and Sunshine
SS's scumlist was - UD, me and Sunshine
Sunshine's scumlist was - AP/Oxy, had me and Scioness as null-scum, and then had this thing with UD

[Scioness Sajj]

the triangle of scumreads

what's your conclusion?

[ofrhz]

There are some weird >connecttions< between you, UD, and Sunshine, and I'm starting to think 2 of you three are scum.

[Scioness Sajj]

the triangle of scumreads

what's your conclusion?

[ofrhz]

I'm not seeing a real progression in your reads.

UD's 1255 wasn't really LAMIST? Out of all the things to scumread him for, this makes the least sense.
Sunshine has been V/LA for 2 days, and probably has been catching up.
I responded to one of your posts on me, and you haven't mentioned it so I'm not sure why you're scumreading me but your other two scumreads feel fake.

I don't think Oxy is scum here tbh,

Ofrhz tunnel isn't really there (although I agree with reasoning), but

that TW tunnel hits all the right notes.

...yet you're not scumreading TW here.

[Scioness Sajj]

[Scioness Sajj]

which posts are you referring to?

You can read his iso if you want but basically AP never actually explained why he originally thought UD could be scum according to his TW+UD+ruru theory

Because according to his explanation of the TW+ruru part I would think UD would be very likely town, which makes me think the reads were fabricated

All his explanations involving UD involved present-tense "oh I did some thinking and here is a way that UD could actually be scum" but that's not what I asked for

I have iso'ed you and AP and I don't really follow your thougths in the interactions before self-voting. I think what AP was originally saying was that he sees a scumteam in {you and TW} and he wants to vig UD becuase he was reading UD independently.
Then he dropped the scumread but later voted UD again but I didn't really saw him mentioning UD in the context of ruru+tw again?

And then you lost him and he ignored some of your questions which is

hmmmmm

. So yeah I agree and would also like some explanation on how his UD read is going now.

[the worst]

You know you can find a case towny and not sheep it right?

[Scioness Sajj]

I'm not seeing a real progression in your reads.

1. UD's 1255 wasn't really LAMIST? Out of all the things to scumread him for, this makes the least sense.
2. Sunshine has been V/LA for 2 days, and probably has been catching up.
3. I responded to one of your posts on me, and you haven't mentioned it so I'm not sure why you're scumreading me but your other two scumreads feel fake.

I don't think Oxy is scum here tbh,

Ofrhz tunnel isn't really there (although I agree with reasoning), but

that TW tunnel hits all the right notes.

...yet you're not scumreading TW here.

you do like them catchphrases don't you

1. is LAMISNT better? How does me reading him for something you don't understand indicates I have no read progression?
2. And?
3. Do you think me not answering that post means I have no real read progerssion? How so? Why do they feel fake?

quote - yes the tunnel, Oxy's way of tunneling. Do you think I should scumread TW becuase Oxy is tunneling him?

(btw it has took 11 posts to get you to a conclusion that is barely connected with your pattern. could you be more pro-town and stop waffling around?)

[Scioness Sajj]

TW is that at me?

[Scioness Sajj]

if so I have no clue what you are talking about.

[Scioness Sajj]

it's not necessarily a scumread,

just a "hmm, scioness doesn't look like her usual towny self here".

looking back i've often found that those reads tend to be scum more than my actual scumreads, but they're the ones that i ignore the most often. (mutantdevle in tit for tat comes to mind). i don't want to make that same mistake this game.

I'm super intrigued by this

[brassherald]

Votecount 1.13

Oxy(4)

~ ruru(103), pinturicchio(67), skitter30(59), the worst(274)

UglyDuck(2)

~ AP(74), ofrhz(124)

Draynth(2)

~ Mathdino(159), northsidegal(78)

the worst(1)

~ Oxy(181)

ofrhz(1)

~ UglyDuck(42)

Players dead:

Not Voting (3): Draynth(38), Sunshine13(34), Scioness Sajj(73)

With 13 alive it takes 7 to lynch.

Day 1 deadline is in (expired on 2018-04-30 16:45:00)

MOD REMINDERS

Scioness Sajj will be VLA until Monday May 30, 2018.

[ofrhz]

1255 - This post was a "why is this person still playing a game that he has replaced out of?" He was asking the mod about a game rule, which applies to everyone, regardless of alignment. It's like when Mohab came in and kept posting after he was replaced out, some people said "wtf stop posting in this game," and those posts aren't AI either imo. They're just getting everyone on the same page with the rules. Is there something scummy about how UD asked about game rules?

Uh, you said Sunshine was "had some good effort early but sort of disappeared," so I feel like him going V/LA and needing to catch up would have something to do with his presence (or relative lack of) in the game. I don't know why you brought up Sunshine being upset; Sunshine hasn't used his anger at UD as an excuse to not play the game. He has said multiple times that he is rereading the game. I don't think town!Scioness would say that being inactive and needing to catch up is scum indicative.

How was Oxy's TW tunnel different from his tunnel on me? What aspects of his tw tunnel make you think he was town?

I already answered this, I'm not sure why you keep bringing it up

[ofrhz]

^ whoops that was in response to 1334

[Scioness Sajj]

you have yet to explain what the connection between my, sunshine and uglyduck's scumreads mean.

more catching up tomorrow.

[Oxy]

No one is engaging me on this, and I would much rather talk about this than about why I'm town this game. Commentary interspersed in the quotes.

Posts from the worst I find scummy

Spoiler:

while we're getting stuff of our chests
townreading Mohab500 without more content is weird as shit

I'm not adverse to it

but there are certain boxes he needs to tick first imo

I translate this post as the following:
"I don't see a reason to town read Mohab based on the content he has provided so far. I'm not against town reading Mohab based on what he has provided so far, but if it were up to me, I would want to see other town-indicative content from him first."
The Worst was trying to remove an easy mislynch from a burgeoning town pool without being confrontational, and I think that comes more from a scum motivation than a town one.

And I think that for most people who played in that game, ruru is fairly obvtown at this point.

why just for people who played that game?

This shows a lack of game solving. The reasons why those of us who played 1859 called ruru obv!town had been discussed numerous times by this point. Additionally, this specific read was practically the only reason anyone had given for town reading Ruru. I posit that had The Worst made any attempt to sort Ruru by this point, he would have encountered these arguments, and understood Skitter's reasoning here. To town: Did any of you have a problem understanding why players of 1859 were calling Ruru obv!town?

@universe anyone played with draynth before?

He repped into newbie 1797 a year ago ~12 hours before the day1 deadline. He was asleep before I was around, and he got lynched after I went asleep and before he woke up or something, so, like, I was technically in a game with him but we didn't actually interact.

He was more try-hard there, but his slot was imminently getting lynched, so idk if that means much.

What was his alignment? Probably means nothing but circumstantial > nothing

This is a pointless line of inquiry. I'm not saying people don't grasp at straws, but this feels to me like scum trying to create the appearance of scum hunting more than it feels like town actually scum hunting.

Definitely.

Fuck my stupid brain telling me that was a scum!ruru reaction

Here, The Worst is casting shade on Ruru without actually taking ownership of his scum read. Considering that Ruru had just self voted, this appears to be a test balloon. If people latch on to the idea, The Worst is right there. If no one does, he just lets the shade fade away.

I wish it was d2 my reads are farked

Again, not taking responsibility for his reads because "oh I am but a poor confused town folk."

I have no like major issues with being lynched here but

Imploring town (which I should have done last time I was lined up for a mislynch)

IF I AM THE LYNCH THEN WHEN I FLIP GREEN BURN THE DINOSAUR TO DEATH

I think this one speaks for itself...

ruru, scioness is also just town

if we get a scumflip between ofrhz/TW we can also confirm scioness is town by that logic

also i'm starting to think TW is town so there's definitely a scumread that slipped by me

could be oxy but for now this solidifies scum in {UglyDuck, Draynth}

How do you feel about Oxy's....... "analysis" because it's starting to scare the fuck out of me

pretty townish, otherwise not that interesting

vote for shooting ofrhz pls

Edit: wow yeah vig playing hero is potentially the most anti-town idea possible

Problem.
If loud and charismatic scum steer the vig shot, it is MORE anti town.
Don't act like you don't see it

Arguing that Mathdino has misrepresented his opinions on vigilantes and proper play here in an attempt to manipulate the vig kill seems to be in direct contradiction to what he said earlier:

btw Math is super super heavily invested in the whole Mafia Discussion world and is incredibly sharp re. open setups. everything he says will be objectively correct or a highly educated opinion. but it's not alignment indicative.

It seems like The Worst believes Mathdino would not lie about proper play regarding vigilantes. If that is true, then why is he undermining Mathdino about how vig shots should be determined?

Lurkin thru a bit, kinda lack of conviction in your posts, I'm not really feeling

your strong reads

....also you were scumreading me one appearance, but suddenly feel very agreeable...

I don't actually know how the above quote got here. I don't find it particularly scummy.

[the worst]

TW is that at me?

if so I have no clue what you are talking about.

Yeah I think so.....

When you read a case it can be wrong but still sound like its coming from town

Vice versa

[the worst]

No it was at ofrhz sorry

[ofrhz]

2) ofhrz - There is just skum here. pushed me super hard - like forever. Has literally found every avenue, even ones I haven't responded in, to find skum reads on me. The fact that (shame to point admitted), their skum pool equals exactly the people lurking thus far in the game is super skummy. And also, the vote me, unvote me, vote me again thing just feels skummy. If it was one, and then a stay, that would be one thing, but to jump off to jump back on when there is another wagon just feels like skum trying to make a TvT wagon scenario.

I voted for you after you voted for me, so scumreading me for pushing you hard is kinda ???

Have you ever considered that maybe I'm town voting for who I think is scum?

I don't like how you keep doing wagon analysis as if you know people's alignments already. It would make more sense to do VCA tomorrow after we have a flip.

Earlier you assumed the wagons on me and you were SvT because you made a really bad assumption that there was no scum off-wagon, even though there were like

7

people who were not voting for either of us. If you're scum, that really makes me think at least one of your partners was off-wagon. And Scioness and Sunshine both weren't voting at that time, what a coinky-dink.

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you have yet to explain what the connection between my, sunshine and uglyduck's scumreads mean.

more catching up tomorrow.

My tinfoil hat theory!

2 scum in {Scioness, UD, Sunshine}

The timing of your scumreads on me is a bit suspicious (i.e. all three happened after Mathdino said he was planning on sheeping Sunshine's case)

1. UD's original reason for scumreading me was just bad. He continues to scumread me for bad reasons.
2. Correct me if i'm wrong, but you were scumreading me because I seem ~different~ from 1859, but you still have yet to explain how I'm different in a scummy way
3. Hmm I'm actually not sure why Sunshine is null-scum reading me

Your scumreads give me the impression that you guys are bussing each other. And I really don't have any reason to townread you or UD tbh

I'd really like to lynch either UD or Scioness today. In that order.

[AP]

Vice

That's why you're my favourite duckling

[ofrhz]

You know you can find a case towny and not sheep it right?

Oh yeah. I think I was also misreading Scioness's point, but I have figured it out now

[Mathdino]

VOTE: Scioness

alright guys let's put our money where our mouths are

[ofrhz]

> prefers UD lynch over Scioness

> Mathdino votes Scioness

tfw