Open 721: Pick Your Poison (Game Over)

[Mathdino]

> prefers UD lynch over Scioness

> Mathdino votes Scioness

tfw

> my townreads have more scum-indicative data on scioness

>

tfw

[ofrhz]

VOTE: Scioness Sajj

[Oxy]

my townreads have more scum-indicative data on scioness

Not to argue against a lynch that isn't me, or anything....

But which of your town reads are now scum reading scioness?

I know ofrhz and skitter are, but I didn't think you were town reading them?

[Oxy]

actually im not sure skitter is scum reading her.

Who is scum reading scioness besides Orfhz?

[ofrhz]

NSG last I heard from her

[Oxy]

ooooh. Does that mean we have an NSG town read from math???

[Mathdino]

m'bad

*people who have more experience with scioness than i do have more scum indicative data on scioness than uglyduck

Edit: i might be talking out of my ass actually
tfw mathdino is a blatant liar

i'm bored of this game and would like a flip
i was asked why i was townreading scioness and the answer is that there was a single post she made that i thought was townish (the "idk how to play this game while not under pressure")

that is
not a good reason for a townread

Edit: stop posting and i might answer your questions lol

[the worst]

Vice

That's why you're my favourite duckling

Buy me a drink postgame

[the worst]

I feel like I want an Oxy flip a LOTTTT more than a Sajj flip

* adds to the pile *

[AP]

Vice

That's why you're my favourite duckling

Buy me a drink postgame

And here was I thinking a drink always comes be

fore play

[Oxy]

tbh, I prefer the draynth counter wagon to sajj

Still think the worst and ofrhz are the best people to lynch/vig from both a reads and a mechanical standpoint.

[skitter30]

@math can you talk about your oxy read?
ANd give me a tldr why you were/are scumreading me?

i feel like i've explained a lot of my oxy read? a lot of the routes/avenues he's been taking don't seem like ones scum would take
ctrl+F my ISO for "oxy"
he's on my list of people to ISO

You're kinda vague about oxy and you say things like 'he's dropping in [your] townlist (1065); and say scum!him would be buddying you (533) - when ruru points out that he *does* seem to be buddying, you say you'll just re-check your ISO but never really followed through; 'oxy could be the scumread that slipped by you but you want to check {scioness/ud} first' (885);

Your initial townread on him was never explained, and you're very wishy-washy about the read it seems, and you keep saying things like he's a weak townread that you're not firm on and that you need to look into more but you keep turning to other people before you do.

The bit about UD is a decent description of what I did. I think it's laughable that you find it scum-indicative.

Are you really trying to argue that it isn't scum-indiciatve to vote a townread?

except that exact behaviour from you is what put you as a locktownread for me because i determined it was outside of your scumrange

Yes, and drixx was also acting sketchy and we lynched him without a claim once he softed vt. Like I just think that scum!ofrhz is more survivalisstic and doesn't actively do things to put himself into the lynch pool

Also, skitter, last game you consistently described my actions as anti-town.

Why does this not play into your read of me this game? Because right now your read on me is basically, "I wouldn't do that as town, so he must be scum."

a) I didn't consistently describe your actions last game as anti-town. Some of them were (ie the first drixx wagon), and I called those out, but I woudln't use 'anti-town' to describe your play in that game in a holistic sense.

b) You aren't really doing things that are anti-town this game. My read on you isn't 'I wouldn't do that as town, so he must be scum'. It's that I think you're buddying math; that your read on ofrhz feels kinda forced (ie I don't understand the reasons you were scumreading him there, and the posts you were citing as being scummy weren't scummy to me); you voted a townread cuz math did, with like no discussion whatsoever (this is the main thing I have a problem with); you're building a team out of how many times tw interacted with people and this sort of evidence is kinda ????? and so it feels like you're using circumstantial evidence to build pre-flip teamreads.

1255 screams LAMIST at me in the very wrong way, not much about onions.

I'm nowhere near being fully caught up but i'd lynch in {sunshine, ud, ofrhz} preferring ofrhz right now.

Why is this LAMIST? And I dislike this lynch-pool.

[Oxy]

The bit about UD is a decent description of what I did. I think it's laughable that you find it scum-indicative.

Are you really trying to argue that it isn't scum-indiciatve to vote a townread?
Yah, actually, I think it's laughable that you look at that vote and 1859 and think, "Yeah, Oxy never does this as town."
But you do you, mate.

[Oxy]

messed up quotes, but that's in response to skitter

[Oxy]

And you know, it's really not relevant to this game state, but you called numerous things that I did anti-town. Yes that wagon, also encouraging ofrhz v sajj, and the strength of my town reads early, So maybe you wouldn't call it anti-town in a holistic sense - sure - but I was saying that you considered a bunch of stuff I did anti-town - you did.

And it's this kind of pedantic, contrarianism that makes me not want to engage with you.

[pinturicchio]

In retrospect, pintu reaching out to work with me was really townie. I don't see why that comes from scum!pintu but there is a thing I can't talk about holding me back ever so slightly.

I want you to tell everyone here what's that "thing I can't talk about", please

[Oxy]

That would break site rules.

[Sunshine13]

My case against ofrhz ages ago was pressure. Wasn’t pushing him for a lynch, and then null scum read comes from my inability to get a gut feel on him.

Anyhow, about halfway through (if you’d all stop posting anyway) and my reads on AP and Oxy are sliding more toward the townside a little. Scion slides further to the scumside.

ruru and math feel like the same alignment, probably town. Reconsidering my town read on UD based on recent reads list, don’t think he’d make a good lynch though since he seems a bit too easy to be a designated mislynch. Easy bus too, though...

Oh, I did want to ask if math is likely to bus a scumbuddy on d1 in a game like this.

[Oxy]

@pin Yes, I was referencing your play last game, but no I was not scum telling you that I'm going to fake a cc against someone.

[Mathdino]

Oh, I did want to ask if math is likely to bus a scumbuddy on d1 in a game like this.

based on my own history:

A. i'm scum with creature or other "most readable players onsite"

B. i'm scum with NSG or other "players mathdino should never get wrong"

C. i have an excuse to policy lynch my scumbuddy

otherwise i just don't see much value in bussing tbh

[Mathdino]

In retrospect, pintu reaching out to work with me was really townie. I don't see why that comes from scum!pintu but there is a thing I can't talk about holding me back ever so slightly.

I want you to tell everyone here what's that "thing I can't talk about", please

yeah pls no

[the worst]

Oh, I did want to ask if math is likely to bus a scumbuddy on d1 in a game like this.

based on my own history:

A. i'm scum with creature or other "most readable players onsite"

B. i'm scum with NSG or other "players mathdino should never get wrong"

C. i have an excuse to policy lynch my scumbuddy

otherwise i just don't see much value in bussing tbh

^ this is consistent with my reading he also tends to clear it first.




Unless scum are dumb, UgDuck is not scum with daychat imo. Discuss?

[pinturicchio]

That would break site rules.

Ooooooooooooh!!!!

I thought you were scum PR reading me and you would kill me tonight and if I flipped PR you would say "yeah, that's what I meant" pffffffff hahahahaha I'm a fucking idiot

Ok I'll have to reread you and see where are you coming from

Want to cooperate with me?

[Oxy]

Want to cooperate with me?

Yes. What subject?

[pinturicchio]

Want to cooperate with me?

Yes. What subject?

Tell me your three most scumreads please (I know I can ISO you and look at it but I'm like... REALLY tired. Pretty please?)