The Resistance #1: 7p (GAME OVER)

[Mathdino]

Vote Count 4.1

PINE, ENAC EIDDE, KEYCHAIN, NANCY (1)

: ENAC EIDDE

NOT VOTING (6)

: Ausuka, Pine, the worst, nancy, camn, Keychain

Day 4 ends in (expired on 2018-04-30 04:00:00).

Mod notes:
- Keychain is V/LA until April 27th.

[nancy]

can you agree with that nancy?

i believe Pine is prooooobably town but his play is so bad here so either he's having an off game or he's scum :/ like he's not a new player i can write off as being shit and ali and i both agree he's despairingly bad this day phase. to paraphrase discord, we both want to scumread pine because of how bad he's playing rn. iunno. i think MY big reason for townreading pine is that if he was scum he just had to agree with my solve of Nancy Pine Eddie Key and locked the game up with a free win tomorrow, so his bad play isn't really beneficial to scum him.

Key seems slightly townier than TW, though I'm not confident there yet. Nancy, be careful of saying its out of Key's scum range, Key is not bad at scum self stated (I haven't actually seen scum Key).

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... #p10070953

The thing is, as linked above, last resistance I had the same thing. A lock town read, 2 lock scum reads, and a TBA pile. Like here, I/we are right about my/our reads, but the narrowing down part cost me the game last time. I need Nancy and the leftover to get on board, and we need to shove this through. Don't forget we need EVERY townie to win this, scum won't help us hammer the thing that loses them the game.

the main reasons i think pine is scum are his read on me and his read on camn

the whole dichotomy thing feels fake and i don't understand where it came from or why it is even a thing for him

his camn read is bad and i haven't seen him reassess on it or talk about why he is townreading her at all / why he stopped scumreading her

he keeps saying there is mafia between camn and me but he hasn't really done anything to solve that

his most recent post for example

actual words on why you think he's town would be helpful. otherwise run me through your reads on tw/keychain and we can talk about those slots

i don't have any huge issues with your poe, no

also is worth mentioning that if keychain is scum she is probably scum with pine, so

if nothing else she doesn't make a lot of sense in my worlds

[Pine]

See? ^This is a scumpost.

"My whole suspicion of Pine is lazy OMGUS."

[ENAC EIDDE]

UNVOTE:

ali can deal w this

[nancy]

See? ^This is a scumpost.

"My whole suspicion of Pine is lazy OMGUS."

z

[ENAC EIDDE]

ok nancy so we're both on the same page with Ausuka wolf is this correct?
If so, what do you think this post gets made with as Ausuka's wolfbuddy?
Because I really think it does.

ftr correct play for spy!enac or spy!pine is also to sab so do not PoE Ausuka out based on the outcome

VOTE: pine, enac, ausuka

[ENAC EIDDE]

Because I feel like that post is very indicative of the worst knowing Ausuka's alignment and trying to shove paranoia onto me and Pine instead of Ausuka who sabs it.

also

Okay, okay....I'm getting it.

So if pine and I go.....and the thing gets sabatoged....then we know pine is definitely scum....and we don't send him on any more missions?
But if we pull it off, we are both conftown?

Sounds good.
VOTE: camn, Pine

I feel like this is a very bold post to make if camn v Pine is SvS

[Pine]

Hmm. Good archive pull. That post makes me question my camn read.

My nancy!scum read started with her "I AM TOWN" entrance. Go read that?

[ENAC EIDDE]

Wolfread her at the time
then nancy made a post which made me feel kinda bad and not want to play
but that post was also kinda good and I read it
I think I value that more over her entrance

[ENAC EIDDE]

Also its "i am town" not "I AM TOWN" there's a difference Pine

[Pine]

OH MY BAD

I IS SO SORRY

THIS MEANS nANCY!TOWN

/mildsarcasm?

[ENAC EIDDE]

508 still applies.

and my impression of wolf!nancy (I feel comfortable outing this because I think I might have or if not she has probably adapted by now just by judging how I've interacted with her) is that the way she starts games a wolf is fairly excited imo

[ENAC EIDDE]

like nancy loooooooves her wolfrands

[Pine]

Wolfread her at the time
then nancy made a post which made me feel kinda bad and not want to play
but that post was also kinda good and I read it
I think I value that more over her entrance

Which post

(Also, I've decided to entirely table my concerns about you. I'm essentially being asked to wager the game on you vs Ausuka, and Ausuka's behavior, especially lately, makes that a no-brainer choice.)

[ENAC EIDDE]

keychain why are you townreading pine?

i think ausuka's "pine is scum" thing early could be tmi, i kind of expect newbscum to do nervous distancing stuff early and the logic behind it is backwards enough that it makes sense as a partner read? i was kind of thinking that pine was probably just spewed town but i don't think if ausuka is mafia that he scumreads pine in that way if pine is town and his scumread there hasn't stuck at all which i think it would have if he were town who believed in that read. most of his progressions make no sense tbh and his keychain read i find super difficult to believe when keychain is the only one who has actually been doing anything villagery

i also don't super believe that ausuka's read on me is real? and pine is bad enough that he could maybe have the read he does as town but i think on balance it makes more sense from mafia. 143 feels like ausuka doesn't know how to state a read on me and has fallen back on what other people have said because of that and pine probably wanted to try to mix things up to throw me off? (i lynched his slot day 1 in our last game together where he was mafia and he buddied me.) when i go back over it the way he insta micdropped the scumread i think doesn't happen if he cares about figuring me out? i think that probably balances with the tmi stuff.

also aslan's scumread on me for my pregame post doesn't mean anything i don't think, aslan scumreads me every game on the chance i am mafia so e can say that e caught scum nancy. i actually kinda think it might be town indicative? i don't think scum aslan is stupid enough to scumread me when i'm town

and lol, i kind of want to say that ausuka slipped that i'm town in 30 but i'm not sure if i can actually get away with that one

I KEEP ON MENTIONING THIS POST PINE FOR WHY I'M TRING HER

[ENAC EIDDE]

(Also, I've decided to entirely table my concerns about you. I'm essentially being asked to wager the game on you vs Ausuka, and Ausuka's behavior, especially lately, makes that a no-brainer choice.)

yay!

[Pine]

Okayyyyy I agree that the post in question is Townish.

But I don't see where you're getting the notion that scum!nancy couldn't have written that too. All she's really saying is Ausuka!scum, which could easily be a bus because she thinks Auskua's cover is blown, and comments on the two of us which could also come from scum.

So in other words, I don't really see what's so special about it.

[ENAC EIDDE]

she doesn't bus.

[ENAC EIDDE]

nancy here would probably try to argue for wolves to go on the mission instead of shoving Ausuka out
basically she doesn't bus and this is something she has gotten from you
if that's changed from the time she played on Westros, I'm not sure and I never will be since I don't even know where I can find that place.

[ENAC EIDDE]

Like look at her signature
done
nuff said

[Pine]

Okay.

nancy doesn't bus.

Ausuka is scum.

Therefore nancy!Town.

Therefore camn!scum.

[ENAC EIDDE]

ok now what do you think of 505

[Pine]

Ausuka

Pine

the worst

nancy

camn

ENAC EIDDE (Alisae + Eddie Cane)

Keychain

So {the worst, keychain} is 1/1.

Here's where we are going to (weirdly) disagree. I had tw as lockscum, and you called me to task for not being fair and rational. Then I saw something that was hardcore Town, and you suddenly flipped to scum!tw.

So. There we are.

PE I can't read Keychain for fuck, she's always been a PoE read.

[the worst]

I have some good news

[Pine]

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