Mini 2004 - Birth of the Necromancer - [DERP! - MOD LOSES]

[Wisdom]

nd looks town to me

[Nancy Drew 39]

Ty:

Not true at all. Eevee was my strongest sr at the time I voted. I kept waiting on her to explain that bizarre post that pinged everybody but they never did. In fact, they never even acknowledged their wagon until after the hammer. I was looking for some kind of defrnse from them - anything at all to give me a reason to switch my vote but they never gave me any reason to do that.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Ty:

Not true at all. Eevee was my strongest sr at the time I voted. I kept waiting on her to explain that bizarre post that pinged everybody but they never did. In fact, they never even acknowledged their wagon until after the hammer. I was looking for some kind of defrnse from them - anything at all to give me a reason to switch my vote but they never gave me any reason to do that.

As I have previously stated, had they flipped scum; I’d prob. be pushing a Zito wagon rn. Not saying he couldn’t still be scum but less likely after the Eevee flip.

[ActionDan]

I think 340 is an excellent example of a post being devoid of critical thinking. It's a trait that's present throughout pretty much each non-ATE post so far.

I'd like to hear what in particular Wisdom/Kokichi find town in Eddie's ISO

I’m sure that this has absolutely nothing with 340 being about you, right? XD

Well you've thrown together a bunch of observations about me together. And you've presented them in a way that looks like an attempt to formulate a case. But in doing so you've gone from "odd behavior" => "scum behavior".

The backbone of which is your insistence that what sympathy I offered you on page 4 was fake. I think it's pretty weird that you've never felt sympathy for scum before especially in a circumstance like that wherein they get caught within the first couple pages and get wagoned. I suppose I might be able to chalk that up to your inexperience with playing scum and the rigors it entails at times that lead you to such a myopic viewpoint. Even so, I do think that even had you never once felt an ounce of empathy for scum in games you were town in, you should be capable of seeing why I or anyone one might feel bad if you got wagoned in a game right after you played in a Drealmerz game. I can't help but think you willfully are ignoring that part.

As for your other observations, they remain observations without any specific inferences to describe how the word "contradictory" applies to them.

e.g.,

MIA during Eevee lynch — I lurked through that + most of my other games, for a host of reasons, that's neither scummy nor contradictory.

No comments even now about Eevee's mislynch — I looked at it but I didn't feel the need to comment on it, nor do I still. I'm not alone there but you slipped that in. Surely that wouldn't be a point against anyone else, or was there a reason you thought or expected I in particular should have commented on it in tandem with or instead of what I have posted so far?

Sudden Superaggresive push on Eddie — Do you find Eddie town? Do you have a reason you think me scum reading Eddie is scummy? I get the feeling that if you did you wouldn't have hesitated to say so.

[ActionDan]

Eddie's post 95 is NAI.

[Srceenplay]

I don’t think I have ever seen ActionDan.

[ActionDan]

If Zito is scum, I will be assuming ND is a partner.

I actually think the opposite, were this true.

Zito scum => ND town.

If ND is scum the vote on Zito looks about the same level as reactionary as the vote on me based on post 129. i.e. similar treatment and similar tone suggests she's reacting to the same alignment.

[Tywin Lannister]

Here it is. Post 215. These were my thoughts on ND sheeping Evee and the seemingly half-added attempt by ND and Zito at distancing. It bugged me then, and it bugs me even more now.

UNVOTE: Papa Zito

for now.



VOTE: Eevee

Why'd you switch to Eevee before getting any answers out of Zito, since you saw something there you didnt like? What's your justification for the Eevee vote, unless its just mindless bandwagining?

You can't demand anwers out of Zito for his vote reasoning, vote him for not giving any, then switch to Eevoo without a reason yourself.

Why are you voting Eevoo?

Why did you switch from Zito?

You both half-assed the entire exchange between you. Nothing productive happened, yet you both pretended to be trying. It almost looks like scum partner distancing, since Zito did it after he knew your wagon was dead, and you solo-voted him for about one hour real-time before switching.

Exchange between ND and Zito:

D1:

Zito votes ND, but only after he sees an unvote (by Eddie) back to L2. Claims he wanted to hammer though.

Zito says he's not done with it yet, but sees everyone else going for the new 'shiny' distraction (Evee), so solo votes kokichi saying they are NDs partner.

ND solo votes Zito and demands answers for his 'almost' hammer on them. Doesn't get them.

ND switched vote to Evee without giving a reason. Says they still SR Zito though.

Evee is lynched. ND is 5th on the wagon. Zito is still solo voting Kokichi.

Keep in mind, Zito has meanwhile deflected all questions asked of him and ignored the Evee wagon, even when asked why (by me). ND never got their answers, and Zito never gave any reads beyond saying ND/Kokichi are scum buddies.

D2:

Wisdom, the worst vote Zito. Both then unvote Zito and move to me.

Kokichi, me, brassharald vote Zito.

Zito votes me. Ignores their two SRs from D1 entirely, which were both based around ND. Never gave a reason why ND stopped being their main SR, let alone Kokichi being their suspected partner.

ND sees Zito wagon, who was their one other SR on D1. Keep in mind, Zito never answered NDs questions, and ND pretended to care about that. ND votes ActionDan instead for the same type of reasons they claimed to SR Zito D1.

ND now says Evee was always their top SR and Zito was only a SR if Evee flipped scum. Zito is now somehow cleared for them? Zito hasn't said anything about ND or Kokichi, let alone why they are voting me.

/end


I don't really buy it tbh. ND could still be just a new player townie whose just all over the place, but the two of them (ND and Zito) both look to me like they half-ass distanced each other on D1, neither really pushing the other or sticking to it. Today, both vote elsewhere, while ND is actively deflecting for Zito by hardpushing a counter-wagon on ActionDan.

Either way, I'm voting Zito independently of them being possible partners, but if Zito flips scum, im going after ND next.

Zito is still the scummiest player in the game to me.

[Nancy Drew 39]

I think 340 is an excellent example of a post being devoid of critical thinking. It's a trait that's present throughout pretty much each non-ATE post so far.

I'd like to hear what in particular Wisdom/Kokichi find town in Eddie's ISO

I’m sure that this has absolutely nothing with 340 being about you, right? XD

Well you've thrown together a bunch of observations about me together. And you've presented them in a way that looks like an attempt to formulate a case. But in doing so you've gone from "odd behavior" => "scum behavior".

You’ve already called me scummy in the post before your last on referencing me. . Next. You’re just backpedaling on this here. Do I have to requote you?

The backbone of which is your insistence that what sympathy I offered you on page 4 was fake. I think it's pretty weird that you've never felt sympathy for scum before especially in a circumstance like that wherein they get caught within the first couple pages and get wagoned. I suppose I might be able to chalk that up to your inexperience with playing scum and the rigors it entails at times that lead you to such a myopic viewpoint. Even so, I do think that even had you never once felt an ounce of empathy for scum in games you were town in, you should be capable of seeing why I or anyone one might feel bad if you got wagoned in a game right after you played in a Drealmerz game. I can't help but think you willfully are ignoring that part.

I have but never ever close to that extent. Your reaction was way over the top imo. It sounded a lot to me like guilt deflection.

As for your other observations, they remain observations without any specific inferences to describe how the word "contradictory" applies to them.

I already explained that and did give specifics. How convenient of you to refuse to acknowledge that.

e.g.,

MIA during Eevee lynch — I lurked through that + most of my other games, for a host of reasons, that's neither scummy nor contradictory.

Oh this is even better, because I never even accused you of that. That makes your non-activty all the scummier. I would think that anyone lurking after a wagon that they had put someone at L-1 had evaporated; you would want to say SOMETHING. If you were beyond convinced that your initial vote on me was right, then why did you just sit back and let Eevee get lynched? Why didn’t you say anything? Or maybe, either you were no longer still convinced I was scum - if so, your previous post sr me comes off as hypocritical, or you lurked but not posted because you were apparently okay with an Eevee mislynch? Ty wasn’t, he actually tried to stop it but you OTOH just lurked and did absolutely nothing?

[/quote=ActionDan]No comments even now about Eevee's mislynch — I looked at it but I didn't feel the need to comment on it, nor do I still. I'm not alone there but you slipped that in. Surely that wouldn't be a point against anyone else, or was there a reason you thought or expected I in particular should have commented on it in tandem with or instead of what I have posted so far?

Why the deflection? Why would you have felt no need to comment on it - and STILL don’t ftr. You sure as hell didn’t shy away from commenting on mine. Thanks for once again proving my point about your actions being contradictory.

Sudden Superaggresive push on Eddie — Do you find Eddie town? Do you have a reason you think me scum reading Eddie is scummy? I get the feeling that if you did you wouldn't have hesitated to say so.

He isn’t my strongest tr in the game rn but I see no particularly good reason to sr him now either. That’s why your sudden push is sus to me. It looks opportunistic to me, like you’re down with pushing a possible mislynch.

[brassherald]

I legitimately do not know what are quotes and what are comments in 358. Please fix that.

[Nancy Drew 39]

If Zito is scum, I will be assuming ND is a partner.

I actually think the opposite, were this true.

Zito scum => ND town.

If ND is scum the vote on Zito looks about the same level as reactionary as the vote on me based on post 129. i.e. similar treatment and similar tone suggests she's reacting to the same alignment.

That makes 0 sense. Another bad attempt to try to connect it to my vote on you. Both Zito and Ty were actively posting and not LURKiNG during the Eevee wagon. Therefore, it makes 0 sense for me to be prematurely jumping on a Zito wagon after the flip. YOU OTOH, just admitted to have been lurking throughout all of that and yet did nothing to intervene. I can totally get why you wouldn’t want to be associated with two bad wagons in the same day, right?

Like your fake sympathy, it would have been extremely easy for you to sit back, lurk and allow an Eevee mislynch without getting your hands dirty.

[Nancy Drew 39]

That’s why I kept my vote on Eevee but had they given any kind of convincing argument att, I would have switched my vote back to Zito but doing that now, makes less sense as a result of the flip.

Ftr, both your responses to me as well as your not exactly subtle attempts to change other people’s viewpoints to correlate with your attempt to discredit my read on you, isn’t going unnoticed by me. Neither is your “slip?” about not sr me prior to my d2 post SUSing you.

[Tywin Lannister]

I want to see where this goes actually. My wifom about partners is pointless without a scum flip anyway, and more info here is good. I also wonder if scum ND would hard push AD. My assumption that it is to deflect for Zito is pretty narrow-minded and based on scum Zito being 100% true. Even if it were, why AD and not Eddie or someone else? It's easier for scum to join a wagon than to start one.

[Nancy Drew 39]

I think 340 is an excellent example of a post being devoid of critical thinking. It's a trait that's present throughout pretty much each non-ATE post so far.

I'd like to hear what in particular Wisdom/Kokichi find town in Eddie's ISO

I’m sure that this has absolutely nothing with 340 being about you, right? XD

Well you've thrown together a bunch of observations about me together. And you've presented them in a way that looks like an attempt to formulate a case. But in doing so you've gone from "odd behavior" => "scum behavior".

You’ve already called me scummy in the post before your last on referencing me. . Next. You’re just backpedaling on this here. Do I have to requote you?

The backbone of which is your insistence that what sympathy I offered you on page 4 was fake. I think it's pretty weird that you've never felt sympathy for scum before especially in a circumstance like that wherein they get caught within the first couple pages and get wagoned. I suppose I might be able to chalk that up to your inexperience with playing scum and the rigors it entails at times that lead you to such a myopic viewpoint. Even so, I do think that even had you never once felt an ounce of empathy for scum in games you were town in, you should be capable of seeing why I or anyone one might feel bad if you got wagoned in a game right after you played in a Drealmerz game. I can't help but think you willfully are ignoring that part.

I have but never ever close to that extent. Your reaction was way over the top imo. It sounded a lot to me like guilt deflection.

As for your other observations, they remain observations without any specific inferences to describe how the word "contradictory" applies to them.

I already explained that and did give specifics. How convenient of you to refuse to acknowledge that.

e.g.,

MIA during Eevee lynch — I lurked through that + most of my other games, for a host of reasons, that's neither scummy nor contradictory.

Oh this is even better, because I never even accused you of that. That makes your non-activty all the scummier. I would think that anyone lurking after a wagon that they had put someone at L-1 had evaporated; you would want to say SOMETHING. If you were beyond convinced that your initial vote on me was right, then why did you just sit back and let Eevee get lynched? Why didn’t you say anything? Or maybe, either you were no longer still convinced I was scum - if so, your previous post sr me comes off as hypocritical, or you lurked but not posted because you were apparently okay with an Eevee mislynch? Ty wasn’t, he actually tried to stop it but you OTOH just lurked and did absolutely nothing?

[/quote=ActionDan]No comments even now about Eevee's mislynch — I looked at it but I didn't feel the need to comment on it, nor do I still. I'm not alone there but you slipped that in. Surely that wouldn't be a point against anyone else, or was there a reason you thought or expected I in particular should have commented on it in tandem with or instead of what I have posted so far?

Why the deflection? Why would you have felt no need to comment on it - and STILL don’t ftr. You sure as hell didn’t shy away from commenting on mine. Thanks for once again proving my point about your actions being contradictory.

Sudden Superaggresive push on Eddie — Do you find Eddie town? Do you have a reason you think me scum reading Eddie is scummy? I get the feeling that if you did you wouldn't have hesitated to say so.

He isn’t my strongest tr in the game rn but I see no particularly good reason to sr him now either. That’s why your sudden push is sus to me. It looks opportunistic to me, like you’re down with pushing a possible mislynch.

Here it is. Post 215. These were my thoughts on ND sheeping Evee and the seemingly half-added attempt by ND and Zito at distancing. It bugged me then, and it bugs me even more now.

UNVOTE: Papa Zito

for now.



VOTE: Eevee

Why'd you switch to Eevee before getting any answers out of Zito, since you saw something there you didnt like? What's your justification for the Eevee vote, unless its just mindless bandwagining?

You can't demand anwers out of Zito for his vote reasoning, vote him for not giving any, then switch to Eevoo without a reason yourself.

Why are you voting Eevoo?

Why did you switch from Zito?

You both half-assed the entire exchange between you. Nothing productive happened, yet you both pretended to be trying. It almost looks like scum partner distancing, since Zito did it after he knew your wagon was dead, and you solo-voted him for about one hour real-time before switching.

Exchange between ND and Zito:

D1:

Zito votes ND, but only after he sees an unvote (by Eddie) back to L2. Claims he wanted to hammer though.

Zito says he's not done with it yet, but sees everyone else going for the new 'shiny' distraction (Evee), so solo votes kokichi saying they are NDs partner.

ND solo votes Zito and demands answers for his 'almost' hammer on them. Doesn't get them.

ND switched vote to Evee without giving a reason. Says they still SR Zito though.

Evee is lynched. ND is 5th on the wagon. Zito is still solo voting Kokichi.

Keep in mind, Zito has meanwhile deflected all questions asked of him and ignored the Evee wagon, even when asked why (by me). ND never got their answers, and Zito never gave any reads beyond saying ND/Kokichi are scum buddies.

D2:

Wisdom, the worst vote Zito. Both then unvote Zito and move to me.

Kokichi, me, brassharald vote Zito.

Zito votes me. Ignores their two SRs from D1 entirely, which were both based around ND. Never gave a reason why ND stopped being their main SR, let alone Kokichi being their suspected partner.

ND sees Zito wagon, who was their one other SR on D1. Keep in mind, Zito never answered NDs questions, and ND pretended to care about that. ND votes ActionDan instead for the same type of reasons they claimed to SR Zito D1.

ND now says Evee was always their top SR and Zito was only a SR if Evee flipped scum. Zito is now somehow cleared for them? Zito hasn't said anything about ND or Kokichi, let alone why they are voting me.

/end


I don't really buy it tbh. ND could still be just a new player townie whose just all over the place, but the two of them (ND and Zito) both look to me like they half-ass distanced each other on D1, neither really pushing the other or sticking to it. Today, both vote elsewhere, while ND is actively deflecting for Zito by hardpushing a counter-wagon on ActionDan.

Either way, I'm voting Zito independently of them being possible partners, but if Zito flips scum, im going after ND next.

Zito is still the scummiest player in the game to me.

I honestly don’t understand why you read anything I’ve posted as a defense of Zito at all. How can you ignore the fact that he stayed off of what turned out to be a bad wagon?

Do you seriously find it scummy, that it would affect my vote? Now, I obv disagree with his vote on Koichi but it doesn’t make sense to

prematurely

push a wagon on any ACTIVE poster who wasn’t on it, does it?

Dan wasn’t on that wagon but he just suspiciously lurked and said nothing. How is my vote on him, even remotely suspicious?

You were also opposed to the Eevee wagon, so why is your top sr, an ACTIVE/albeit very frusrating and annoying poster att, who wasn’t even on it?

And if I had any doubts at all, Dan’s responses to me have only increased my confidence in my vote. The fact that he admitted to lurking throughout Eevee’s wagon and is suddenly pushing a wagon on Eddie, is highly sus to me.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Sorry about that wall.

Fwiw, I still want Zito to answer mine and other people’s questions and I’m still really annoyed about it but for Dan to just lurk after putting me at L-1 and now push Eddie. It seemed to come out of left field.

MY current vote is on Dan for the same reason I initially voted for him, the same reason I briefly had it on Zito, the same reason I eventually switched to Eevee.


I - like I have done in every single vote I have made - am voting my strongest sr. I am not buying Dan’s reasons for voting Eddie rn. As I have already said, it reads opportunistic to me. Why is Eddie, Dan’s strongest scumread rn? Is he basing it on meta, because I see nothing in his posts thus far that is particularily scumlening - let alone being the most obv lynch. At worst, Eddie’s posts read NAI to me.

[Ankamius]

Tywin's overreactions about the hammer are probably consistent with this incoherent thought dump - its just all a playstyle i dont like i guess

Probably?

[Ankamius]

ActionDan is probably town.

VOTE: Brassherald

[Eddie Cane]

Ankamius and AD are town.

[Wisdom]

VOTE: zito

[the worst]

Gave up at 363 as I am TRing both nancy and dan

Tywin wordvomit reads more like town throwing ideas around than scum narrative fmpov what he's saying isn't flawless at all but it's not evil reasoning.

VOTE: Zito (not sheeping wisdom i s2g)

[Kokichi Oma]

Pretty much what Tywin said is how I feel about Zito. Tywin is my top tr now

[Kokichi Oma]

Like he hasn't even addressed me or Nancy today at all when that was his whole day 1 without giving any reason

[the worst]

I like Tywin. SOD2 was my make or break and the dude made it.

[Eddie Cane]

I'm still not unvoting Dan if I was unclear.

[Kokichi Oma]

How is he town to you then if you're still voting him