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Post Post #1450 (ISO) » Thu Apr 26, 2018 12:07 am

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In post 1447, UglyDuck wrote:3) Math and TW as TRs - I do not think it is likely that a) TW and Math are both skum, or that b) TW and Math are both Town. But... specifically today, which is the relevant part at any given point, I would rather lynch elsewhere than risk that coin flip.
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Post Post #1451 (ISO) » Thu Apr 26, 2018 12:12 am

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@Draynth

can you give me a couple of games of yours as recommend reading?
1-2 town and 1-2 scum?
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Post Post #1452 (ISO) » Thu Apr 26, 2018 12:26 am

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Post Post #1453 (ISO) » Thu Apr 26, 2018 12:29 am

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Post Post #1454 (ISO) » Thu Apr 26, 2018 4:27 am

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It has come to my attention that in the VLA message for Scioness, I put the incorrect month for the end. Please disregard the May 30, 2018 date.

My apologies for the error.
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Post Post #1455 (ISO) » Thu Apr 26, 2018 8:20 am

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In post 1353, Oxy wrote:actually im not sure skitter is scum reading her.

Who is scum reading scioness besides Orfhz?
I'm ~nullscum on her; I need more content from her to sort her. In 1859 I got to town!her cuz we mindmelded a lot and like her thought processes made a lot of sense and I just didn't see them coming from scum. I don't have enough from her right now to see that, and I think her entrance was scummy.

It's more of an absence of a townread than an actual scumread though.

Although now that I think about it, she has a fair number of posts but Ithey aren't really .... memorable I guess is a good word. Like her content is just kinda there and very little of it is thought-provoking enough for me to actually, like, remember it off-hand.

Also her recent lynchpool is :/ . It's {sunshine/ud/ofrhz}, and I townread to some degree or another all of these people.

I guess what I'm saying is that I don't actively scumread her, but I'd expected to have seen something I could townread/mindmeld over at this point, and the fact that this hasn't happened yet is beginning to concern me.

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In post 1362, Oxy wrote:
In post 1286, Oxy wrote:The bit about UD is a decent description of what I did. I think it's laughable that you find it scum-indicative.
Are you really trying to argue that it isn't scum-indiciatve to vote a townread?
Yah, actually, I think it's laughable that you look at that vote and 1859 and think, "Yeah, Oxy never does this as town."
But you do you, mate.
Yeah. I'm having a lot of trouble seeing you do that as town tbh.

I don't really like your reaction to this either, but I think I'm beginning to annoy you so I'm just going to drop this convo. I am still scumreading you and am voting you for it though.

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Hmm, looking at the most recent vc, we're all spread out atm.

-> I feel like draynth is a compromise wagon almost. I don't know if he's been scummy so much as *absent*, and like Idk if that's a reason to lynch someone. Like it just feels ... lazy I guess is a good word. I don't like that oxy is on this wagon, and that he's in scioness's lynchpool.

-> I think UD is town and don't want to lynch him.

-> Scioness - read discussed above. I feel like I want to give her a chance to produce more content, but as I've been writing this, I realized that she actually has a fair amount of content and little of it has been thought-provoking enough for me to actually remember it. Given that I'm trying to read her based on how well I understand her thought-process and whether I think it's too nuanced to come from scum ... this is not a good sign. I actively scumread oxy though, and would prefer a lynch there, but I think I could compromise on scioness.
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Post Post #1456 (ISO) » Thu Apr 26, 2018 8:43 am

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you're okay compromising on scioness but not on draynth? i've given specific reasons that i think draynth's reads are scummy
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Post Post #1457 (ISO) » Thu Apr 26, 2018 9:08 am

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I'm fine with him being a compromise lynch and/or vig shot, but the fact that just about everyone holds this opinion is slightly worrying me. Like it feels too easy almost? Too consensus-y? It's reminding me of how screenplay got wagoned in your stack-the-deck.

Like on play he's just kinda meh and I'm fine with it but the gamestate pointing to everyone being fine with it makes me a little bit suspicious.

You're basically saying that his read on you is lazy for townbinning you for effort/being logical? - do town ever read you this way?

And the premise of your current hypothesis about the gamestate is that town is scumreading you but that scum are hedging and not really committing and are lazy-townreading you?
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Post Post #1458 (ISO) » Thu Apr 26, 2018 9:10 am

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the fact that town is capable of having shit reads on me doesn't mean it's not a scumtell

the behaviour is more likely to come from scum straight up

and who says he's not the designated nullscumread from the entire scumteam

if i were scum with him he'd be the designated bus imo
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Post Post #1459 (ISO) » Thu Apr 26, 2018 9:27 am

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So I'm at page 48 and I'm hungry so I'm going to eat and then ignore the game until tomorrow, when you post another couple of pages for me and then ATHOUSANDOVERTHEWEEKENDYOUBASTARDS.

Current reads: ruru, pinturrichio, UD, AP, NSG (for nai stuff 'cause I'm bad like that) are all town.

Skitter is pushing my town buttons, but she pops up now and again and I'm not sure if she's engaging with the game (well... other players) as much as she could, and I agree with her a lot which always bothers me (nai but full disclosure n' that) so townlean.

ofrhz is all over the bloody place. Please stop this ride I want to get a solid read. I jest, it's townlean.

TW is making me uncomfortable. But recently made me feel alright, so is probably not scum. Maybe. The volume of TW's posts also puts me off sorting them.

Math makes me uncomfortable too, but he said why and I think it will improve so I don't want to lynch them.

Scion seems like she's not engaged that much with the game, so scumlean.

Oxy's scum. This has a lot to do with the oxy tunnel around pages 34 and 35, and an apparent unwillingess to consider they're mistaken. Also sheeping math at every opportunity, as well as weird circumstantial stuff around thinking TW is scum. It would be unlikely if he's scum for math to also be scum.

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Draynth hasn't posted much, so he's proper null like, and I'm iffy on what to do with lurkers. Good D1 lynch, sure, since it's early days and if they're town we're not hit too hard, also limits the scum's ability to push them as a mislynch later, but we also rather lose the ability to vca and such because there's nothing to go on.

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VOTE: Oxy

Willing to lynch Scion, too, but not Draynth.
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Post Post #1460 (ISO) » Thu Apr 26, 2018 9:28 am

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Well... I think TW is making me feel alright because they scumread Oxy, which probably isn't that great, elsewise they'd be my third scumpick.
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Post Post #1461 (ISO) » Thu Apr 26, 2018 10:07 am

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In post 1458, Mathdino wrote:the fact that town is capable of having shit reads on me doesn't mean it's not a scumtell

the behaviour is more likely to come from scum straight up

and who says he's not the designated nullscumread from the entire scumteam

if i were scum with him he'd be the designated bus imo
Do you think scum would be bussing today?
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Post Post #1462 (ISO) » Thu Apr 26, 2018 10:25 am

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...i don't see why not?

i mean draynth as a wagon hasn't really taken off either

if draynth is scum his buddies are probably like "oh yeah that could be scum i guess" without really showing conviction

and they'll probably hop aboard if it becomes clear that he's getting lynched
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Post Post #1463 (ISO) » Thu Apr 26, 2018 10:35 am

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In post 1449, Draynth wrote:Anyway, Oxy is scum

VOTE: Oxy
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Post Post #1464 (ISO) » Thu Apr 26, 2018 11:05 am

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In post 1459, Sunshine13 wrote:Oxy's scum. This has a lot to do with the oxy tunnel around pages 34 and 35, and an apparent unwillingess to consider they're mistaken.
I don't think the last part is scum-indicative for Oxy, for the record; he tunneled pretty hard in 1859 as town

I do think his reasons for tunneling in this game are super weird / often not really looking for actual scum motivations if that makes sense
Also sheeping math at every opportunity, as well as weird circumstantial stuff around thinking TW is scum. It would be unlikely if he's scum for math to also be scum.
But Oxy thinks Md is town. What's weird about this?
Draynth hasn't posted much, so he's proper null like, and I'm iffy on what to do with lurkers. Good D1 lynch, sure, since it's early days and if they're town we're not hit too hard, also limits the scum's ability to push them as a mislynch later, but we also rather lose the ability to vca and such because there's nothing to go on.
Willing to lynch Scion, too, but not Draynth.
Is SS higher info than Draynth in your opinion?
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Post Post #1465 (ISO) » Thu Apr 26, 2018 11:24 am

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In post 1464, ruru wrote:
In post 1459, Sunshine13 wrote:Oxy's scum. This has a lot to do with the oxy tunnel around pages 34 and 35, and an apparent unwillingess to consider they're mistaken.
I don't think the last part is scum-indicative for Oxy, for the record; he tunneled pretty hard in 1859 as town

I do think his reasons for tunneling in this game are super weird / often not really looking for actual scum motivations if that makes sense
He seems to be working from the conclusion backwards and is pushing for evidence to fit that, ignoring anything to the contrary.

It’s like me from 3 years ago :igmeou:
In post 1464, ruru wrote:
Also sheeping math at every opportunity, as well as weird circumstantial stuff around thinking TW is scum. It would be unlikely if he's scum for math to also be scum.
But Oxy thinks Md is town. What's weird about this?
This is probably a cultural thing but not something I can back down from. Math has said he hasn’t been entirely forthcoming with his reads so far, but Oxy has sheeped him anyway. Oxy can also claim it wasn’t him that got it wrong if any of his sheeped reads are incorrect.

It’s basically lazy play and not something I would expect from someone who appears more than willing to push players for content.
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Draynth hasn't posted much, so he's proper null like, and I'm iffy on what to do with lurkers. Good D1 lynch, sure, since it's early days and if they're town we're not hit too hard, also limits the scum's ability to push them as a mislynch later, but we also rather lose the ability to vca and such because there's nothing to go on.
Willing to lynch Scion, too, but not Draynth.
Is SS higher info than Draynth in your opinion?
I haven’t read the last 10 pages or so yet, but I’ll say yes, in the sense you can see more if you cover one eye rather than both. Not ideal, but better than the alternative.
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Post Post #1466 (ISO) » Thu Apr 26, 2018 12:03 pm

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In post 1465, Sunshine13 wrote:He seems to be working from the conclusion backwards and is pushing for evidence to fit that, ignoring anything to the contrary.

It’s like me from 3 years ago :igmeou:
Why do you find this scum-indicative rather than inexperience-indicative?
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Also sheeping math at every opportunity, as well as weird circumstantial stuff around thinking TW is scum. It would be unlikely if he's scum for math to also be scum.
But Oxy thinks Md is town. What's weird about this?
This is probably a cultural thing but not something I can back down from. Math has said he hasn’t been entirely forthcoming with his reads so far, but Oxy has sheeped him anyway. Oxy can also claim it wasn’t him that got it wrong if any of his sheeped reads are incorrect.

It’s basically lazy play and not something I would expect from someone who appears more than willing to push players for content.
Sorry, I wasn't clear

I was asking about the second part. If Oxy thinks Md is town, and Md+TW is an unlikely scumteam, why is it weird for Oxy to suspect TW?
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Post Post #1467 (ISO) » Thu Apr 26, 2018 12:46 pm

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In post 1458, Mathdino wrote:the fact that town is capable of having shit reads on me doesn't mean it's not a scumtell

the behaviour is more likely to come from scum straight up

and who says he's not the designated nullscumread from the entire scumteam

if i were scum with him he'd be the designated bus imo
So you think skum is null on him or bussing him?

Also is the top part actually you saying “people skum reading me are skummy?”
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Post Post #1468 (ISO) » Thu Apr 26, 2018 12:47 pm

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In post 1450, the worst wrote:
In post 1447, UglyDuck wrote:3) Math and TW as TRs - I do not think it is likely that a) TW and Math are both skum, or that b) TW and Math are both Town. But... specifically today, which is the relevant part at any given point, I would rather lynch elsewhere than risk that coin flip.
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Post Post #1469 (ISO) » Thu Apr 26, 2018 12:48 pm

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In post 1467, UglyDuck wrote:
In post 1458, Mathdino wrote:the fact that town is capable of having shit reads on me doesn't mean it's not a scumtell

the behaviour is more likely to come from scum straight up

and who says he's not the designated nullscumread from the entire scumteam

if i were scum with him he'd be the designated bus imo
So you think skum is null on him or bussing him?

Also is the top part actually you saying “people skum reading me are skummy?”
I can and want to answer this on Math's behalf but its low key antitown to do so if certain people are scum

Please wait :P
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Post Post #1470 (ISO) » Thu Apr 26, 2018 12:52 pm

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@pingurechurro
where you at with oxy rn?
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Post Post #1471 (ISO) » Thu Apr 26, 2018 1:28 pm

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Votecount 1.15

Oxy(4)
~ (62), (310), (43), (38)

Draynth(3)
~ (78), (198), (114)
UglyDuck(2)
~ (84), (76)
Scioness Sajj(2)
~ (178), (131)
ofrhz(1)
~ (50)

Players dead:

Not Voting (1): (74)

With 13 alive it takes 7 to lynch.

Day 1 deadline is in (expired on 2018-04-30 16:45:00)


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Post Post #1472 (ISO) » Thu Apr 26, 2018 1:33 pm

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Go ahead and answer lol I don't have the energy
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Post Post #1473 (ISO) » Thu Apr 26, 2018 1:37 pm

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NSG is due to be prodded in 4 hours, however, I will say right now, I'm going to bed in about 2. So, should she not post beforehand, I will prod her in the morning.
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Post Post #1474 (ISO) » Thu Apr 26, 2018 1:53 pm

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VOTE: Scioness Sajj

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