The Resistance #2 - 5P Game

[Mathdino]

this is actually a farce lol

what the fuck are you guys townreading about paradox i can't even

i literally designed that first mission so it would be a pass regardless of paradox's alignment

why would i succeed the first mission only to 1v1 paradox and refuse to let him on future missions anyway

scum-me with this strategy just fails the first mission knowing i was gonna 1v1 the other member of the first mission anyway

[Iconeum]

I actually scumread TGP and want Buj/Ico/Math on the mission but I want Buj on board with my thinking

[Iconeum]

It's really just Ico/Math/Buj v El/TGP

[Irrelephant11]

No. Why do you think I'm scum? I still think math is town, BuJ is more likely scum than town, and you're still more likely town than TGP.

I almost want to go with TGP's vote because it's indirectly the strategy of betting the game on me and math but if I find it unlikely that TGP and math are the same alignment (which I still do) then this just seems like a bad scenario.

Me/Math/Ico makes sense to me.

[brassherald]

Only one vote count today, by the way, and its not this morning's because I already missed it

[Irrelephant11]

Oh right we've all checked in

VOTE: Iconeum, Mathdino, Irrelephant11

[BuJaber]

this is actually a farce lol

what the fuck are you guys townreading about paradox i can't even

i literally designed that first mission so it would be a pass regardless of paradox's alignment

why would i succeed the first mission only to 1v1 paradox and refuse to let him on future missions anyway

scum-me with this strategy just fails the first mission knowing i was gonna 1v1 the other member of the first mission anyway

What does this mean?

There's nothing to go on wrt TGP. Why do you insist he's scum?
You know the only thing that makes me thinkTGP might be scum is your refusal to go with him on this mission like he's your buddy.

I want math/tgp/me. I might be okay with me/tgp/ico. I really wish now that ico went on mission 1 it'd make this easier.

[Mathdino]

it means
that if i were scum
the first mission would have been a failure
because no one actually gives a shit about towncred from the people who went on the first mission

your reads make 0 sense with your proposed teams

bujaber is top scumread

i'm primarily iffy on iconeum as a result

paradox was legit a "his first post was scummy and he hasn't done shit since then" read

[BuJaber]

So you would have failed the first mission where it's 50-50 but TGP is too scared to pull that off, so we should townread you and scumread him?

This is legit what you're proposing?

I accept that his inactivity could be a valid reason for scumreading him but you scumread him way before that. You went in with the idea.

Your talk of TGP passing the mission could be interpreted as you telling him to pass. Whether you wanted him to actually pass or wanted to do the opposite. Scum can use both methods.

Humor me... you want ico you and irrele now right? Who would you want for mission 3 if mission 2 fails and who would you want if it passes?

[Mathdino]

I accept that his inactivity could be a valid reason for scumreading him but you scumread him way before that. You went in with the idea.

the fuck?

inactivity is the least valid reason for scumreading him

i scumread him for being weird as fuck in his first post

i took him on the mission because i knew scum-him would never sabotage if he was up against town-me

every single time i've been in a game with paradox as either alignment i've won a 1v1 with him (or just mislynched him straight up). every. game.

that's why i specifically chose someone who would be afraid of me

[BuJaber]

Mafia is a different game. And I don't care about your meta with him.

I explained why the optimal play is to go with him again. You have a weird bias against him in this game even though he really has no way to go. If he is scum he will be caught. I don't understand why you would take someone on a mission if you would suspect them even if they out pass.

Please answer the question about mission 3. Maybe your logic for the follow up of mission 2 is convincing.

[Mathdino]

nah

you don't get to play an incredibly surface level game and then deny the extra information i have that can be used to generate reads

if he's scum, there's no way for you/iconeum/irrelephant to know which between me/paradox is actually scum

also, i specifically worded every post to not even have a possible interpretation of telling who to pass and who to sabotage, specifically so all-pass missions can't be used against me

you seem more focused on possibilities than probabilities

[Mathdino]

like you don't seem to understand that "mathdino proving to you he's not brain dead" is not alignment indicative for me

i could talk to you all day about logic for mission 3 and be exactly as convincing as i want as scum

but logic isn't alignment indicative and neither is effort
and neither are general opinions on resistance strategy

yet you've managed to toss away the useful info for getting reads while taking into account the useless

[BuJaber]

Fine you play your way and I'll play mine.
I am humbled by my relatively low experience in mafia but in resistance I just know I'm right.

But my mission doesn't go if you don't vote for it so you're screwing up the whole strategy.

VOTE: icon, tgp, buj

[BuJaber]

Icon and TGP give this a chance.. math has ignored my step by step process of figuring out if math/tgp is 0, 1 or 2 scum. Don't go on a mission with him. Until he agrees to math/tgp/buj I don't agree to any mission he is on.

[Irrelephant11]

I mean I still want to throw out there that your fav strategy is one where, if TGP is scum (or math, if I'm being theoretical), you don't "find out" till mission 4, at which point we've all narrowed it down to TGP/dino and1/2 other players, depending on POV. And by "find out" I mean "have a 3/4 chance of being right". Not to mention if you're scum you already know if TGP/math has a scum and your plan is auto-bad, because you'll always suggest untruths later that fit with your "step-by-step process".

[Mathdino]

Icon and TGP give this a chance.. math has ignored my step by step process of figuring out if math/tgp is 0, 1 or 2 scum. Don't go on a mission with him. Until he agrees to math/tgp/buj I don't agree to any mission he is on.

how does this help anything

i think you're scum

if there's 1 fail (which there almost certainly will be)

how does town figure this one out between 3 possible spies

[BuJaber]

Because if mission 2 fails as the new guy I would not get chosen mission 3 and when mission 3 fails one of you gets exposed and I get cleared. The town has the tools to figure it out if we don't change up who goes every mission but instead actually play with a process that eliminates possibilities.

[BuJaber]

My strategy rarely wins before missiom 5. But it wins much more than loses at that point because of how much info is gained.

[Mathdino]

ummmMMMMM

if mission 2 fails with paradox/math/bujaber

and then paradox/math somehow gets sent on mission 3 (something that i would not approve of)

and THAT fails

then that makes lylo on mission 4, where town has a 25% chance of guessing correctly between math/paradox and irrelephant/iconeum

your strategy is lowkey selfish

it doesn't work here because lack of simultaneous voting

[BuJaber]

If you run the numbers with your strategy it is never better.

[BuJaber]

25% is random guess. It won't actually be 25%.

Alternative strategies are not dangerous to scum. They will put fail every time.

[Mathdino]

bujaber, the first mission is most of the time completely meaningless

you could pick any 2 players to be the given mission 3 fallback option

there's no actual reason to send math/paradox and especially not if you don't think we're both town

now i can argue that as a spy i would've failed the mission

i don't think paradox can really argue that, so i'm nullreading him at best and scumreading him because i have stronger townreads elsewhere

your strategy just seems completely independent of reads and i don't get that

[BuJaber]

But see that is why.
Because mission 1 success is meaningless you can't make reads based off it.
But by repeating the mission goers you then have a relationship between mission 1 and 2. By not repeating the players mission 1 becomes meaningless for the entire game.

[Mathdino]

mission 1 IS meaningless for the entire game though that's the point i'm trying to make