Mini 2004 - Birth of the Necromancer - [DERP! - MOD LOSES]

[Tywin Lannister]

Ugh, my grammar. What has been done cannot be undone.

[the worst]

It's rare his brand of intransigence after earning the stink eye from almost everyone in thread (ignoring correlations) comes from scum.

unrelated, @brass, if you can't understand a even a single of those reads my desire to explain any to all of them dissipates completely.

I'm just asking for some analysis.

I can understand and agree with some, but I'm looking for thought processes.

This sentence right here.

Im not ashamed to admit this went over my head. Can you ELI5?

It is a scum mindset. Town has an agenda when looking to get more information from people because they need them to get reads. Scum (especially weaker scum) don't have to care, their reads are all fake unless they're hunting another team or a serial killer anyways.

Brass isn't looking to further his own reads from AD, he's scraping his mind for something to attack or attach on to.

IME brass tends to ask pointed questions about odd things but he seems to have decent instincts.

Fwiw.

[Papa Zito]

@Screen:

Ok no I saw you were coasting, why were you coasting.

Like that was some in your face aggressive coasting.

@Nancy: What questions did you have that you still feel are relevant to current gamestate

[Srceenplay]

@Screen:
In post 315, Papa Zito wrote:
Ok no I saw you were coasting, why were you coasting.

Like that was some in your face aggressive coasting.

I was in a lot of games.
Didn’t want accountability.
RL busy.
Trolling.

A little bit of it all.

[Papa Zito]

Ok.

Why didn't you declare intent to hammer/ask for a claim?

[Srceenplay]

I thought I was going to be a hero

[ActionDan]

Those ND posts are garbled I'll make sense of them later.

This is more what I expect of eddie. I don't get the sense those reads look faked but for now I'm alert. I probably should finish isos

[Nancy Drew 39]

What I'm trying to say here is that I fail to see a difference between your reasoning to SR Dan and your reasoning for TR Zito. Both ignored the Evee wagon. Dan lurked, while Zito posted a couple deflections while saying you and kokichi are scum buddies.

In effect, they both avoided the Evee wagon and let it happen, and I don't differentiate a zero-content post from not posting at all. Maybe that's where we disagree though.

You SR Dan for avoiding the Evee wagon, going after Eddie (which I agree is odd), and then not liking his response to you.

You TR Zito for avoiding the Evee wagon, voting me/you/kokichi (which you agree is odd), and then not caring about his non-response to you.

See what I'm getting at? The main difference between the two today is that Zito has an actual wagon, which you claimed you wanted D1. You solo voted Zito on D1, but only for a very small time period before switching to Evee. He voted you, but only after your wagon was dying, and only for a small time period before switching to Kokichi.

Today, both you and Zito convienently forget about each other's SR on the other. Zito votes me, ignoring you and Kokichi without giving a reason to do so. You vote AD, ignoring/TRing Zito, without giving a good reason to do so that wouldn't also apply to Zito to a T.

The only difference here is that Zito now has an actual wagon, which you desperately seem to want to stay off and/or counter. Seeing that counter and both you and Zito staying away from each past after the claimed D1 reads on each other looks fishy to me, especially given his lack of any reason at all, and your lack of reason that differentiates AD and Zito in any significant way.

I wiil respond more to both this post and your other post later. I’ve already stated that I find Dan’s lurking but not posting wayy scummier than Zito voting for Kokichi who was the first one to mention that bizarre Eevee post, I believe. I disagree with him on that, because that is one of my strongest reasons for tr Kockichi.

I am still not happy about him not answering mine or anyone else’s questions nor the inexplicable calling Kockichi and me partners.

I am not tr him but ironically, I do think his prior vote on Kockichi is AGL, despite IMO, him being wrong about sr them.

Then, there is also that bizarre post by Eevee that pinged everyone. I’m wondering if Eevee might have beliebed that Zito might be a PR because, it’s clear to me now since they are town, that they were likely referencing both themselves and someone else, possibly Zito. That of couse wouldn’t mean that they were right about his alignment but even if they were, I have no clue if Zito is scum or not but him

not being on that wagon is a good enough reason for me to not want to prematurely lynch him.

I totally disagree with your Dan comparison because he was LURKING but did nothing. You say that Zito did nothing as well but he actually voted - a vote I completely disagree with but nevertheless - not an entirely illogical if wrongheaded one.

Dan still left his vote on me and now is pushing Eddie out of the blue. Between the two of them, I hands down view Dan’s behaviour as scummier.

I have also mentioned repeatedly - which you keep diregarding - that had Zito either been on the Eevee wagon or had Eevee flipped scum; I would not only have jumped on the d2 Zito wagon, I’d be spearheading it for all of the reasons I had mentioned on d1. However, both the flip and that weird Eevee post is making me cautious about rushing into another possible mislynch. It’s kind of ironic to me that you are possibly sr me for pretty much being concerned about the exact same thing you were on d1: rushing a wagon and a possible mislynch. I’m not tr Zito but neither am I sure he is defacto scum either. I feel much more confident in my sr on Dan. His push on Eddie pings me. I can’t help wonder if he is either trying to deflect from the Zito wagon or just push another mislynch.

Also, after playing 10 games, I am no longer a complete noob and can much better distinguish between a town push on me and a scum one. I can tell you’re likely town because you’re seriously weighing on considering your push on me at every turn - which is pretty much how most townies push players they’re possibly sr. Dan OTOH, said he was confident to place me at L-1 and is trying to twist both any posts of mine re: why my current vote is on him, as well as trying to make the absurd Zito=scum, me=town analogy. Do I agree with your Zito=scum, me=scum theory then? Of course not. I don’t see how his flip logically relates to me at all but then I have never found your reasons for linking us in the first place plausible. It just had much more of a basis then Zito’s Kockichi and me connection.

Eventhough I obv find all pushes on me wrongheaded ngl; I can distinguish between a likely townie but wrongheaded one: yours and to me, a highly sus one. Dan’s basic reason for still sr me, is that he is calling my votes “reactionary” which really makes 0 sense because no one has ben pushing on me harder in both d1 and d2, than you; yet when a brief wagon formed on you, what is both you and Dan’s explanation for my NOT jumping on that? Shouldn’t I be really be voting you and not Dan, based on this logic?

[Ankamius]

what how and why
i dont see anything wrong with brass's post

Brass asked him to post the reasoning behind any of his reads, even though he apparently already agreed with some of them? What read(s) is he looking for info on and why?

Its like I said before, town has an agenda behind questions. Brass doesn't.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Tbh i really dislike turbos.

But sometimes it could benefit town to prevent multiple PRs being outed D1.

Idk their alignment so I'm not gonna choose a side here yet. They just seem overly defensive.

This is the Eevee post I’m referencing.

Now, that we know they’re town and a PR, this post takes on an entirely different meaning, a meaning that may or may not be potentially relevant.

[brassherald]

what how and why
i dont see anything wrong with brass's post

Brass asked him to post the reasoning behind any of his reads, even though he apparently already agreed with some of them? What read(s) is he looking for info on and why?

Its like I said before, town has an agenda behind questions. Brass doesn't.

I mean, I can town read the same people as him but the important thing comes down to what the actual thoughts are. This is a play style issue, people are going to call my questions useless because they don't understand my methods, but I'm still going to ask them.

[Wisdom]

what how and why
i dont see anything wrong with brass's post

Brass asked him to post the reasoning behind any of his reads, even though he apparently already agreed with some of them? What read(s) is he looking for info on and why?

Its like I said before, town has an agenda behind questions. Brass doesn't.

i still fail to see how you're jumping to this conclusion
just because he didnt mention which reads interested him automatically means he has no town agenda?

[ActionDan]

Post 407 of nd's is actually finally a town post.

[Papa Zito]

Post 407 of nd's is actually finally a town post.

Agreed.

Tbh i really dislike turbos.

But sometimes it could benefit town to prevent multiple PRs being outed D1.

Idk their alignment so I'm not gonna choose a side here yet. They just seem overly defensive.

This is the Eevee post I’m referencing.

Now, that we know they’re town and a PR, this post takes on an entirely different meaning, a meaning that may or may not be potentially relevant.

On MS, we have a habit of running multiple people up to L-1 on Day 1 and getting multiple claims. I think that's what he was referencing there.

[Ankamius]

UNVOTE: Brassherald

[Kokichi Oma]

So papa Zito, going to explain that scum read on me yet or no

[Papa Zito]

So papa Zito, going to explain that scum read on me yet or no

I'm curious why it bothers you so much.

[Nancy Drew 39]

@Screen:

Ok no I saw you were coasting, why were you coasting.

Like that was some in your face aggressive coasting.

@Nancy: What questions did you have that you still feel are relevant to current gamestate

Ah okay. Why did you think that Koichi. and me were partners - other than switching your vote on me to them?

What are your current reads?

What do you think about Dan’s sudden push on Eddie?

[Nancy Drew 39]

Post 407 of nd's is actually finally a town post.

Agreed.

Tbh i really dislike turbos.

But sometimes it could benefit town to prevent multiple PRs being outed D1.

Idk their alignment so I'm not gonna choose a side here yet. They just seem overly defensive.

This is the Eevee post I’m referencing.

Now, that we know they’re town and a PR, this post takes on an entirely different meaning, a meaning that may or may not be potentially relevant.

On MS, we have a habit of running multiple people up to L-1 on Day 1 and getting multiple claims. I think that's what he was referencing there.

OIC, I’m not that familiar with this site. Thanks.

[Kokichi Oma]

So papa Zito, going to explain that scum read on me yet or no

I'm curious why it bothers you so much.

Because it's part of my reason for scumreading you? You not explaining anything is scummy and feels like deflecting. Or do you not want me to try to be sure about my scumreads?

[the worst]

So papa Zito, going to explain that scum read on me yet or no

I'm curious why it bothers you so much.

it kinda irked me too, some kind of reasoning would be rad
i like koki's state of mind this game so far

[Ankamius]

I'm going to have to read through day one, aren't I.

[the worst]

I'm sorry :c but probably. it's not very interesting but it's an ok premise and at least 2 things happened.

luckily it's really short

[Ankamius]

I really don't like doing that since it generally lowers my read quality long-term but I'm not getting much of anything from these last few pages.

[the worst]

I mean it's worth a skim at least from a factual pov
otherwise just watch at how we discuss d1 & ask questions about it and gather your own reads from it?

up to you