Open 721: Pick Your Poison (Game Over)

[pinturicchio]

I have a game for you, answer this question:

Why is Oxy still alive?
a) He is scum, scum is stagnating his lynch
b) He is scum, Draynth is the counterwagon
c) He is scum and Dino is his partner
d) All of the above

[northsidegal]

I have a game for you, answer this question:

Why is Oxy still alive?
a) He is scum, scum is stagnating his lynch
b) He is scum, Draynth is the counterwagon
c) He is scum and Dino is his partner
d) All of the above

where has the confidence come from?

[pinturicchio]

Faked confidence. We have less than two days to get a lynch and I would rather lynch Oxy than no lynch, so I'm trying to push that

[pinturicchio]

Oh and I like his wagon's composition, especially now that ruru is on it. ofrhz voting Draynth pinged me too

[northsidegal]

read on draynth? you haven't mentioned him once.

[northsidegal]

a read on him, that is.

[pinturicchio]

That's because I have nothing to say about him! And that's exactly why his wagon seems to be a counterwagon, like if I had something on him it would be a stretch, either for town or scum, so people building a wagon on him seems suspicious or plain wrong. Would give him town points for being the counter wagon, but I can't say that until we have a flip

[northsidegal]

do you believe players who you have little to say about or who just seem to be silently skating by are more likely to be town or scum? random statistics would suggest town - in my experience, i've actually found that it's scum.

[pinturicchio]

Mmmm good question, let me make a quick check instead of answering from gut (I believe it's mostly town, but give me a sec)

[skitter30]

If Oxy flips green I'll reasses his reads as coming from a town mindset. He's fairly clever so there is certain to be something gained if he is actually gamesolving.

Problem? I don't think he is.

scum!nsg comment in 1624 was not 100% serious but following a red Oxy flip that is a good place to start.

Idk how scum!you plays; I've never played with scum!you. I kinda dislike the hedging on where to look after an oxy greenflip, especially in conjunction with the confidence you have that he+NSG are flipping scum.

I kinda feel like you're walking back 1624 after I asked you about it.

There isn't enough content there to like or dislike, it's just the slot and her quietness that are bugging me atm.

Like this doesn't match 1624

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Like a lot of those posts by math make me feel like he doesn't really care *who* gets flipped, or what they flip. Like the draynth thing is lazy. The scioness push happened when a lot of other people were suspicious of her.

And the you-voting-math-voting-NSG thing isn't necessarily scum-motivated, but it's pinging me and feels kinda weird. Like it's a day before deadline, he's sitting on an NSG vanity wagon to pressure her to post after he said that won't pressure her to produce content in an AI way, and he's been voting there for a couple of days now and it doesn't really seem to have affected her posting patterns, or at least not in a way that's yielded any useful conclusions to him apparently, so he's still voting her just before deadline because ... ?

Like it just makes me feel like the lynch doesn't really matter to him? Like he isn't really trying to get a flip, or a scumflip in particular. Besides for oxy, he's recently been pushing consensus scumreads, but I don't feel like he's actually trying to get his scumreads flipped, or that he cares who gets flipped.

And idk, in 1859 he just felt so *right*, like he just bled town from very shortly after he repped in, and I just .... don't see that here. He feels wrong, and wrong specifically in some of the same ways that he felt wrong in MKUltra.

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4 people will be due for prods later today, I will prod then during tomorrow morning's vote count if needed at that time.

Also, if prods are needed for that many people, I'll probably extend the deadline.

@brass: I just want to say that I greatly appreciate that you're so on top of prods/vcs/etc, and that you're so communicative about such things too

[pinturicchio]

Yesss I was right. People who pings me because of playstyle tend to be scum, and people who I can't recall or remember something that caught my attention tend to be town. Draynth is there right now, I really have nothing on him, neither town or scum, so that could mean he's town. Same goes for Sunshine by the way.

[pinturicchio]

@NSG I know is too early to make VCA, but put yourself in my place: I'm scumreading Oxy and UglyDuck and they're both voting Draynth; even if I have nothing solid on Draynth, I wouldn't want to be on a wagon with both my scumreads

[pinturicchio]

@skitter put your vote were your mouth is, please

[Scioness Sajj]

fun

[skitter30]

I'm kinda getting cold feet wrt the oxy wagon.

I guess I dislike the draynth wagon less right now though?

But I don't really think that a lack of content/flaking is AI for him; nor is promising content and not following through. A quick meta-dive shows him flaking/replacing out of towngames.

DOES ANYONE ELSE THINK PROMISING THINGS AND NOT DELIVERING IS A SCUMTELL

#NOBAMBOOZLE

And, like, this isn't for draynth

He got lynched as town day4 in the Newbie 1858; repped out after a week of low content as town in open 692 (made some of those 'I'm reading now, sorry for the inactivity' posts without following through ); did the same in Newbie 1822 as town; got nk'd n1 in newbie 1820; got nk'd n1 in newbie 1817 (his ISO looks fairly active and contributing here); got lynched day4 in lylo as town in newbie 1811 (shared some self-meta here, and was fairly involved and contributing); jumped to scum!draynth in newbie 1803 cuz I got bored - had a few of the 'sorry for inactivity posts', was fairly active otherwise, was present but his content looked kinda empty; looking at some older games he got replaced by the mod for inactivity as town without asking to be replaced.

Like I just don't know if the lack of content is AI for him.

And a metadive indicates that the above *isn't* a scumtell for him; it's an 'I'm busy in real-life' tell and not AI.

And like from *Math* to push that without checking is pretty gross and lazy.

VOTE: Math

[AP]

VOTE: Draynth

FTR, I am reading Draynth as a TPR. You guys keep going about how scummy he is and I feel that the longer we wait the more likely Draynth will be lynched, so my vote here is to get him to claim and see if I'm correct.

Draynth @ L-1

[Mathdino]

Intent

[Mathdino]

Gotta lynch someone, may as well be dead weight

[Mathdino]

And skitter30 you don't get to vanity wagon me with 26 hours on the deadline
I don't know if you're trying to stay off both wagons or what
I gave the option to lynch scioness and people chose her counterwagons
Not lynching oxy no matter what you think of my progression on him

[AP]

Gotta lynch someone, may as well be dead weight

I'll reiterate: I think Draynth is the kind of player that lurks it out as a PR to avoid being NK'd. Unfortunately for him this is the kind of town that suspects lurkers (against the MS meta of not lynching lurkers on D1)

[Mathdino]

And where the flying fuck did you get the idea that I thought he was scum for inactivity
The #NoBamboozle post was SARCASTIC
I've been very clear this whole time about why I was scumreading him
The fact that he barely plays the game is icing on the cake

I'm not reexplaining myself to you if you're gonna choose not to read my posts

[Mathdino]

I'll reiterate: I think Draynth is the kind of player that lurks it out as a PR to avoid being NK'd. Unfortunately for him this is the kind of town that suspects lurkers (against the MS meta of not lynching lurkers on D1)

Ms meta should be lynching lurkers tbh

Draynth strikes me as the type that lurks it out whenever things get rough

[pinturicchio]

Draynth's at L-2 right now, not L-1
VOTE: Draynth

See? He's not lynched right now

[pinturicchio]

VOTE: Oxy

[Scioness Sajj]

Scioness is a terrible, awful, horrible, no-good lynch today.

Please do not let my counter wagon be sajj.

I'm terrible lynch today but what about tomorrow? Do you think you will have a confident enough read on me, without a clear, to take me into lylo?

My TR on oxy is wearing out. Both him and Sajj refuse to vote each other. Sajj even avoided the Draynth wagon and went for a new wagon on ofrhz (did I spell that right?)

glad to know you are reading vcs, sad you are not reading the game though

1533 was mostly a case based on misrepping me. She even misrepresented what I did in Newbie 1859.

I will go at it point by point but I would need to sit down and take time to do that. Not to mention it’s very tiring and unfun to engage someone who accuses me of dodging her questions when I didn’t and even blames me for making her post in a way that’s difficult to follow. Like wtf

In 1534, math explicitly said he wants to wagon draynth or Scioness. How was my question not a reasonable follow up to that?

cry me a river
waiting for the delivery or not, hopefully you will get vigged
never blamed you for makng my post difficult to follow, but you need this ate attempt to look believable so yeah, you do you

Well, I saw the wagons' composition and I still like Oxy's above the others. I would vote ofrhz but I don't like Scioness suggesting to vig me because of my read on Oxy, no sense at all
VOTE: Oxy

iirc, p sure i do, the starting point for pintu's sr on oxy was oxy's sr on ofrhz.