Open 721: Pick Your Poison (Game Over)

[skitter30]

Btw I have to metadive math for bussing meta (realistically not happening for a few days) but if scum!math busses, I can absolutely see scum!ofrhz being a bus.

[the worst]

1) math is never the n1 kill here come on
2) i have a bad feeling i have the n1 kill down to a pool of ~3 players D:
3) vig should never shoot math here

Oxy flip > Dino flip. I do not see Oxy's last few pages of posts as outside his (or like, anyone's) scum range.

[the worst]

Btw I have to metadive math for bussing meta (realistically not happening for a few days) but if scum!math busses, I can absolutely see scum!ofrhz being a bus.

it's a black pit

he doesn't like bussing, apparently clears it first + scum have daychat

[ruru]

if Math is town he's infinitely more valuable than Oxy (no offence Oxy, Math is one of the best town players on site)

If he's town he wouldn't ask a pr to claim on d1 in this setup.

[ruru]

1) math is never the n1 kill here come on

Okay, good point

[the worst]

I actually kinda see how it happened from town!math easily....argh

Skitter can you weigh in here? Am I going nuts?

[skitter30]

Not sure what you're asking ...?

[the worst]

Math's treatment of Draynth's claim
I see it coming from town!Math >.<

[ruru]

In any setup other than this, okay

In this setup?

[the worst]

Why specifically this setup?

Ftr I abhor power roles and mostly just sponge other peoples' setup spec, this is not my jam

[ruru]

You're softclaiming pr already

I don't see why it's beneficial to specify the role in this situation

Specifying the role allows scum to tell, in 2/5 cases, whether it's VT fake softing a role outside the setup or not

Scum can claim without getting CCed, so making scum claim a specific role on d1 doesn't help much

Almost half of VT fakeclaims instantly out themselves to scum by claiming a specific role

I am like 99.99% sure Md is aware of this because he studies setups

[the worst]

sm0rt. Lemme think about it.

[skitter30]

You're softclaiming pr already

I don't see why it's beneficial to specify the role in this situation

Specifying the role allows scum to tell, in 2/5 cases, whether it's VT fake softing a role outside the setup or not

Scum can claim without getting CCed, so making scum claim a specific role on d1 doesn't help much

Almost half of VT fakeclaims instantly out themselves to scum by claiming a specific role

I am like 99.99% sure Md is aware of this because he studies setups

I'm going to admit that I'm very tired atm and I think I'm not fully processing the significance of what you're trying to say right now.

If I'm reading this right, you're saying that if someone is fake-claiming a PR, they're either scum or town. If scum if fake-claiming, they'll just pick a PR not in the setup and will be uncc'd so having them specify which PR is pointless. If they're town fake-claiming, there's a 2/5 chance that they'll pick a PR not in the setup, which scum will know, and scum will therefore know that they're a vt faking (and hence shrinking the pool of possible *real* PR's).

You're arguing that we shouldn't have softed PRs claim today in case they're actually a VT faking, since if they're a VT faking and trying to draw the nk, there's a 2/5 chance that by claiming an actual PR scum will know that they're lying and thus shrink the possible pool of real PR's instead of drawing the nk.

Do I have that right?

[ruru]

Yes

[the worst]

At deadline will you guys reconsider lynching Oxy?

[ruru]

I'm voteparking

[the worst]

For a kitten in an ugg boot you sure are stubborn.

[ruru]

I mean I didn't even talk about AP after everyone disagreed with me

But this is like so super objectively scummy I don't understand how Oxy is even close

[the worst]

My issue here is Math is the setup king. Like even as scum I can't see him slipping that badly. Does this hinge off a misunderstanding (him fishing for specific PRs vs. not PR, for example)?

[the worst]

Owww scum Dino slipped town Draynth too

[the worst]

Hmm. More thinking.

[ruru]

Considering I had to explain it, I'm guessing he thought nobody would notice?

If you don't believe me on this reason alone read his answers to my questioning. There's actually so much backpedaling

[ruru]

And "I knew Draynth would claim VT" is not what a town player says when lynching probable scum

[the worst]

Zzzzz

If we lynch the dino and he flips town agree to powerlynch Oxy tmrw?

[ruru]

I will definitely at least strongly suspect him in that case