Sid Meier's Civilization 5 UPick Mafia (GAME OVER)

[Ranmaru]

If I had to choose two scum from [Thor, Gamma, Mark], then it would be Thor and Gamma. Titus pushed Gamma early and continued to do so. I thought it was just [Titus, Gamma] but Joey's interactions with me on the Titus read, him being so stubborn with his scumread on me even though I explained it, and Thor syncing up with Gamma on almost being replaced. I can see Mark being just bad town in that situation, it's just that Titus also seemed awkward in the beginning, and it seemed more like distancing.

[pidgey]

Its kinda true that there have been 2 night kills missing if we consider the vig and 2 scum groups though... night 2 should have had 3 and night 3 should have had 2.

Obviously they could have targetted the same guy or someone could have saved a kill, but 2 nights in a row seems too coincidential.

Ok lets say ill give you the reason. I could see a scum group gone. But how is it balanced and why would the other team have 4 members?

The bad thing is that you are putting too much into the theory but none of ir is confirmed. And we have like a day for deadline and only mark or klazam are viable a this point

[brassherald]

So, the fact that you were scum read, and the engagement on a scum read of yours which was not Gamma means that Gamma and Thor are partners?

That makes no sense to me. Your entire read relies upon Mark being scum, but I guess Orange scum?

Why is Gamma scum?

[Ranmaru]

You are implying the supposed 2man group was balanced? I love the theory behind your thoughts but it kinda falls flat man. A 2 man group with such weak roles seems too limmited.

And thor as scum would be wild.

Like Joda said, I wouldn't consider lynching Thor today. I would agree that we should talk about it in future days. Yet, I also agree that Klazam does feel like he's lost and also like mislynch bait, especially with my theory that Orange Scum may have been killing to set him up. It's possible that there may be three teams of 2, looking at Varsoon's multiball post. If there is no red scum remaining, then I have to out this theory now so that people don't actually give up. Even I was fine earlier with giving up because I thought town was going to win this EZ PZ but now, I'm not so sure.

[Ranmaru]

So, the fact that you were scum read, and the engagement on a scum read of yours which was not Gamma means that Gamma and Thor are partners?

That makes no sense to me. Your entire read relies upon Mark being scum, but I guess Orange scum?

Why is Gamma scum?

Orange Scum. Gamma is scum due to meta. He's been tip-toeing around Mark. His reaction to me saying Orange Scum had no kills was bad. He was content with leaving his vote on Klazam, when as town he'd be more reluctant to vote with me. In Team Mafia White Flag he was obvious town, and he wasn't as willing to vote with me, and he was saying obv townie things. Early game he was playing carefully, because he was scum. Simple as that.

[pidgey]

unvote

for a bit cause yeah

[OnTheMark]

You are implying the supposed 2man group was balanced? I love the theory behind your thoughts but it kinda falls flat man. A 2 man group with such weak roles seems too limmited.

And thor as scum would be wild.

Like Joda said, I wouldn't consider lynching Thor today. I would agree that we should talk about it in future days. Yet, I also agree that Klazam does feel like he's lost and also like mislynch bait, especially with my theory that Orange Scum may have been killing to set him up. It's possible that there may be three teams of 2, looking at Varsoon's multiball post. If there is no red scum remaining, then I have to out this theory now so that people don't actually give up. Even I was fine earlier with giving up because I thought town was going to win this EZ PZ but now, I'm not so sure.

Its kinda true that there have been 2 night kills missing if we consider the vig and 2 scum groups though... night 2 should have had 3 and night 3 should have had 2.

Obviously they could have targetted the same guy or someone could have saved a kill, but 2 nights in a row seems too coincidential.

Ok lets say ill give you the reason. I could see a scum group gone. But how is it balanced and why would the other team have 4 members?

The bad thing is that you are putting too much into the theory but none of ir is confirmed. And we have like a day for deadline and only mark or klazam are viable a this point

We can fucking flash wagon. I can check phone on breaks.

Flashwagon Ran.

[BuJaber]

Lol no way I'm lynching thor before klazam, mark, ran, pidgey, chara, marshy. So basically if joey is scum he just wins.

And gamma is a package deal with joda / shaz. Only considering lynching gamma if we mislynch twice in a row. Then we have to consider these pairs and think about what makes the most sense.

I though mark was crazy for pushing the shaziro lynch but ran's thoeries are now even crazier.

And pidgey is scum man how come nobody sees this?

[Ranmaru]

Its kinda true that there have been 2 night kills missing if we consider the vig and 2 scum groups though... night 2 should have had 3 and night 3 should have had 2.

Obviously they could have targetted the same guy or someone could have saved a kill, but 2 nights in a row seems too coincidential.

Ok lets say ill give you the reason. I could see a scum group gone. But how is it balanced and why would the other team have 4 members?

The bad thing is that you are putting too much into the theory but none of ir is confirmed. And we have like a day for deadline and only mark or klazam are viable a this point

I think there is too much protective roles claimed right now. I think some of the protectives are scum. You're right, I am putting too much into it. Yet I felt I needed to state it or otherwise town might tunnelvision without re-considering at all. I think Mark is our best bet.

[pidgey]

Im not scum i swear

Pinky promose

Lol like read my iso im obviousntown man

Yeah i think theres no way one of mark and gamma isnt scum tbh

[Ranmaru]

No Buja, your reads are crazy and have always been crazy from the start. I still don't know why you think Gamma is town.

[OnTheMark]

So, the fact that you were scum read, and the engagement on a scum read of yours which was not Gamma means that Gamma and Thor are partners?

That makes no sense to me. Your entire read relies upon Mark being scum, but I guess Orange scum?

Why is Gamma scum?

Orange Scum. Gamma is scum due to meta. He's been tip-toeing around Mark. His reaction to me saying Orange Scum had no kills was bad. He was content with leaving his vote on Klazam, when as town he'd be more reluctant to vote with me. In Team Mafia White Flag he was obvious town, and he wasn't as willing to vote with me, and he was saying obv townie things. Early game he was playing carefully, because he was scum. Simple as that.

Lol no.

This isn’t a thing.

Gamma hates scum by meta and if Gamma was scum with Titus, gamma would have “conf!town”ed Titus and Titus just ran with it. It’s Titus’s MO (as well as mine) as scum to get universally townread. Titus if given the power to manipulate can and will at every moment.

[OnTheMark]

Its kinda true that there have been 2 night kills missing if we consider the vig and 2 scum groups though... night 2 should have had 3 and night 3 should have had 2.

Obviously they could have targetted the same guy or someone could have saved a kill, but 2 nights in a row seems too coincidential.

Ok lets say ill give you the reason. I could see a scum group gone. But how is it balanced and why would the other team have 4 members?

The bad thing is that you are putting too much into the theory but none of ir is confirmed. And we have like a day for deadline and only mark or klazam are viable a this point

I think there is too much protective roles claimed right now. I think some of the protectives are scum. You're right, I am putting too much into it. Yet I felt I needed to state it or otherwise town might tunnelvision without re-considering at all. I think Mark is our best bet.

Yet given three of us Gamma/Thor more likely scum.

If that is true I am literally not your best bet and are blatantly admitting you’re mislynching me.

[BuJaber]

Klazam first. This is a classic derail. Klazam doesn't really work as orange but why else would scum be derailing this wagon.. I mean maybe scum is trying to keep red alive for the additional kill per night??

The counterwagons, the crazy theories.. it all makes sense if trying to stop klazam wagon. Lynch this first then I will listen to anybody who wants to build a case on anyone else. (I can't promise I will agree though).

Pedit - maybe pidgey.. I hope so honestly it easier to win if you're town because you're like 3rd or 4th in the lynch order.

Ran - gamma CANNOT be scum unless either 1) shaziro lied. 2) jodax lied. 3) both of them lied.

[Ranmaru]

No, Gamma distances with his partners just as he did in Penguin Mafia Redux. Then he purposely had himself bussed to fool me and mislead me into town reading transcend.

[Ranmaru]

Ran - gamma CANNOT be scum unless either 1) shaziro lied. 2) jodax lied. 3) both of them lied.

Go more into this.

[OnTheMark]

Klazam first. This is a classic derail. Klazam doesn't really work as orange but why else would scum be derailing this wagon.. I mean maybe scum is trying to keep red alive for the additional kill per night??

The counterwagons, the crazy theories.. it all makes sense if trying to stop klazam wagon. Lynch this first then I will listen to anybody who wants to build a case on anyone else. (I can't promise I will agree though).

Pedit - maybe pidgey.. I hope so honestly it easier to win if you're town because you're like 3rd or 4th in the lynch order.

Ran - gamma CANNOT be scum unless either 1) shaziro lied. 2) jodax lied. 3) both of them lied.

Ran + Jodaxq?

I find scum trying to shoot the tracker and tracker commuting hella likely.

[OnTheMark]

Lol no way I'm lynching thor before klazam, mark, ran, pidgey, chara, marshy. So basically if joey is scum he just wins.

And gamma is a package deal with joda / shaz. Only considering lynching gamma if we mislynch twice in a row. Then we have to consider these pairs and think about what makes the most sense.

I though mark was crazy for pushing the shaziro lynch but ran's thoeries are now even crazier.

And pidgey is scum man how come nobody sees this?

Everyone has their universe they want to believe and no one wants to listen. Welcome to how I have been feeling.

Talk with me about Pidgey scum?

[Ranmaru]

If that is true I am literally not your best bet and are blatantly admitting you’re mislynching me.

I still think you are scum. I was saying if I had to choose from the three, I'd most likely choose those two. I wouldn't be pushing you if you hadn't been opportunistic with your read on me. Now, question: Why did you consider the SK option instead of the Deep wolf option?

[OnTheMark]

If that is true I am literally not your best bet and are blatantly admitting you’re mislynching me.

I still think you are scum. I was saying if I had to choose from the three, I'd most likely choose those two. I wouldn't be pushing you if you hadn't been opportunistic with your read on me. Now, question: Why did you consider the SK option instead of the Deep wolf option?

Asked and answered from the SK case you blatantly ripped off.

Kill doesn’t make sense from red or orange.

Again my read wasn’t “opportunistic” order of operations dude. That’s a thing that’s gonna bite you in the ass.

[Ranmaru]

It makes sense from Orange, since neither Marshy nor Pidgey would be scum, they'd be both town. It makes more sense for orange scum who can kill to kill A50 and frame Klazam when we are still looking for red scum. I'm not ripping off anything and it's annoying that you keep trying to say that I'm ripping you off when you have never stated that Orange has been killing since N2.

[Ranmaru]

You also modded the White Flag game. Tell me what you know of me as a player so far, and compare that to here. Then, compare what you know of Gamma from that game, and tell me how his game here is different.

[OnTheMark]

It makes sense from Orange, since neither Marshy nor Pidgey would be scum, they'd be both town. It makes more sense for orange scum who can kill to kill A50 and frame Klazam when we are still looking for red scum. I'm not ripping off anything and it's annoying that you keep trying to say that I'm ripping you off when you have never stated that Orange has been killing since N2.

Again asked and answered.

Orange scum would avoid killing in the religion spreaders like the plague. Confirming or denying anyone as town with how much town is still alive is not in their interests. Klazam is being framed I agree but it’s by Shaziro.

[OnTheMark]

You also modded the White Flag game. Tell me what you know of me as a player so far, and compare that to here. Then, compare what you know of Gamma from that game, and tell me how his game here is different.

For starters in white flag you were a scum agent in town colors a majority of the game and Gamma’s meta seems exactly like white flag. Here you are actively trying to mislynch me before I can save a townie tonight. So either A) You’re scum (more likely) or scum in town colors.

[Ranmaru]

Gamma's meta is

not

exactly like White Flag. I will go on the record here.